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Miscellaneous => ADA Sound/Audio Clips & Bits => MP1 3TM => Topic started by: rabidgerry on June 24, 2015, 06:25:41 AM
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I feel I'd like to share some demos of new songs I have written for my band on here. Using 3TM and my DI recording setup.
These have no names as of yet and the band might actually be annoyed at me disclosing this stuff potentially before official release but f*ck it I wrote them so I can post them up if I want.
First one is actually combined with a Boss GT5 preamp sound, Marshall Model 1959 (not enough gain so EQ set before it with a mid/trebel boost). Then a 3tm Patch. Speaker sim is a green back one with um I forget the mic!!!
Anyways see what yall think. Drums I programmed in a program called Hydrogen, beat for beat, no pre made loops. I make all my own drum loops.
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Another one, this time not as complete as the one before. Just calling it "Pirate song" at the moment lol no reason for this.
This is all 3TM.
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This is another un-named track. It's nearly finished as well. Might move a few things here and there. Also need a solo or something in there, may be in two places. Nearly done :) This is 3TM and Boss GT5 again.
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My favorite is nr3,nice song and sound.It seems to me you don't use a lot of gain,what settings do you use?
Anyway,typical 80's metal sound.
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hahaha that's the patch you give me on all the tracks. As I said two of the tracks have a Boss GT5 Patch mixed in also. Its probably the right channel any time the boss was included, then left would be 3tm and then I'd do a third with the 3tm and have a subtle stereo chorus on there.
This is not a lot of gain? ahahha That's enough gain for me. I will tell you I used to use a lot more but now I'm older I think it sounds better with less gain. More ummmmmmmmmmm how shall I say, more stuff that seems to cut through better.
Basically I set my gain for most of my metal stuff by two factors.
The first factor is spongey feel. Do I have enough gain to do pull ons and pull offs and tapping and other stuff. If I have that feel I will quit the gain. Also I would say I try put enough on so I do not have to hit everything really hard.
Second factor, does the amount of gain add too much noise and also shitty fizz I don't want. (this is a new factor I have started to adhere to).
Well I hope someone likes the songs because I'm going to play them live and very loud at some point and if no one thinks they are good then they're in for an awful lot of aggravation ahahahha :facepalm:
Let me see if I have any of the individual tracks lying around, so you can hear the gain properly with each track. Some times gain gets smoothed out by layering of tracks (this is what I find anyways.)
Any to all who listen. These are demos. I think they are decent demos (compared to what demos used to be like what with a tape recorder shoved up against an amp...........those were the days) but they are not like official releases or anything. These are what I make and then let my band hear and then they learn them. Some times I finish them totally sometimes I don't or by the time I finish them I just don't bother to do a demo of the whole song because the whole band will know it by then.
Just saying in case someone comes along and thinks this is shit. :lol:
MJMP Typical 80's metal sound, it might be typical in that context but there is not a lot of bands I play with in 2015 that ever have a sound like me. May be it's a sign I should change, but I'll never do that ;) 80's is the best sounds for me, I have tried a long time to get as many flavours of that era as possible. Still trying. :crazy:
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That sounds AWESOME!!! Especially Nr3.....the guitar sits so well in the mix! And very much to my likings....not edgy/spiky but real creamy! :thumb-up:
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That sounds AWESOME!!! Especially Nr3.....the guitar sits so well in the mix! And very much to my likings....not edgy/spiky but real creamy! :thumb-up:
He man, high f**king 5!!!
Yeah creamy :thumb-up: my fav also. I hate edgey, well most of the time. Too much gristle can be bad, sometimes a little bit is good.
Ok for my guitar sound, I did nothing post recording! NOTHING NOTHING ZERO!
It just so happens that the drum samples I used in the sequencer are so well recorded that they match well, and then the combined results I get with the guitar are good (in my opinion as someone else might thing differently).
With my actual drummers drums, I have to fool around a little bit with the guitar. Basically it all goes to shit once I put in vocals and bass guitar ahahahahahahahahhahaa those demos recordings here have no bass at all.
But anyways that's the direct sounds I get, well 3 of them. 3TM Boss and 3TM with doubling stereo chorus on there. No reverb I don't think. I'll post some more when I have them. I may as well chart my findings on here.
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No need to change your sound,i really like it!!
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Well alright then :)
That again is the Westone Dimension IV with that 30 year old pickup inside hahaha I really should pot it as it squeals like a bitch. Or replace like SC said with the Dimarzio super PAF.
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Hey RG, finally got my laptop up so I can play the clips (workstation died :facepalm: ), hey I like them all :thumb-up: By the 3rd clip I just wanted to play some stuff on top :whoohoo!: When I get the recording setup up and going again (soon I hope...) I'll suck it into protools and and whack a few solos on it just for fun, "great tones" and playing my friend :thumb-up: really liked it all !! So that's your 3TM ? it sounded very good, like hot rodded MP1 (which is what the 3TM is all about ?). :wave:
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Killer songs, bro. The last one was my favorite. I wish someone would record you guys playing live. It must be a helluva show! :metal:
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Hey RG, finally got my laptop up so I can play the clips (workstation died :facepalm: ), hey I like them all :thumb-up: By the 3rd clip I just wanted to play some stuff on top :whoohoo!: When I get the recording setup up and going again (soon I hope...) I'll suck it into protools and and whack a few solos on it just for fun, "great tones" and playing my friend :thumb-up: really liked it all !! So that's your 3TM ? it sounded very good, like hot rodded MP1 (which is what the 3TM is all about ?). :wave:
Yeah I've solo in the third song. It's nearly complete, I might change a few things with arrangement. The 2nd song (labeled the pirate song) is only about 6o%. I came up with more for it over the last few days so I will stick down the drums I want for it then record the new sections. I work piece by piece like that. I generally start off a song by finding a few pieces all in one go, then I build upon that. Only the first track is 100% done. The solo I made up in 4 takes and spliced two takes together. The bulk of that solo I am keeping but toward the end I'm going to change different notes slightly. Funny stuff I improv on I can't just play again straight off, I have to go relearn it!! Pain in my balls!!! hahaha
Killer songs, bro. The last one was my favorite. I wish someone would record you guys playing live. It must be a helluva show! :metal:
Thank man, that's nice to hear. They are certainly what float my boat but I'm sure not everyone agrees. Yeah we make a helluva racket for 3 people, power trio to the max!!
Funny I'm playing this weekend sopporting Diamond Head and I was thinking of recording the set. I'd have no control of the mix though as it would just come from the desk. I might still try it.
There are some videos of us live online but I will be honest. Most of it from gigs is all shit. I either sound like I can't play or the quality is umbearable. Live imagery and decent audio is something I hope to get from one of our shows real soon.
Thanks all who enjoyed the songs, means a lot to me.
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WHO IS THIS REBEL FROM THE NORTH
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Hey Batts, well to me he's our good friend from Ireland :wave: :thumb-up: and pretty bloody handy with all things guitar LoL >:D
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WHO IS THIS REBEL FROM THE NORTH
Hey Batts, well to me he's our good friend from Ireland :wave: :thumb-up: and pretty bloody handy with all things guitar LoL >:D
I guess it's more of a Winterfell and Iron Islands thingy...... :wave: :lol: :lol:
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WHO IS THIS REBEL FROM THE NORTH
Hey Batts, well to me he's our good friend from Ireland :wave: :thumb-up: and pretty bloody handy with all things guitar LoL >:D
I guess it's more of a Winterfell and Iron Islands thingy...... :wave: :lol: :lol:
I don't get it (if it's really obvious please don't think I'm stupid :facepalm: :lol:)
WHO IS THIS REBEL FROM THE NORTH
I am Sir Rebel of Rebelot from Rebelyell Tennessee! No just Ireland, the North of Ireland.
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Hey, since I'm on a tube quest right now for my 3TM, I may as well ask! What tubes do you use in your 3TM? Also, would you mind sharing the settings you used?
Thanks very much!
~ Rick
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Hey Rick, there's a bunch of 3TM patches in this thread (http://adadepot.com/index.php?topic=1109.60), as a place to start.
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Me too RG, I'm in the North of Ireland ;D
Hey man where abouts?
good to see another Irish fella on here :)
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Hey, since I'm on a tube quest right now for my 3TM, I may as well ask! What tubes do you use in your 3TM? Also, would you mind sharing the settings you used?
Thanks very much!
~ Rick
Hey rick I'll send you then settings completely when I get a chance. The initial patch was this I think but I'll check and give a run down when I get back from playing a show tonight.
OD1 OD2 master Bass mid treble presence
6.0 7.0 5.5 9 -2 -2 6 Dist tube
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och not that far away at all, not compared to some of these guys :)
Funny my mates slag me, Gerry/London Gerry!! Just to cover all bases!!
You been using an MP1 long? I nearly took mine to Dublin last Friday for a gig but I didn't wanna risk it, not when haven't cracked it with my live rig as of yet.
We have never played Derry you know. One place in Ireland we haven't played. Any where for metal bands to play up there? Nearly played it once but it fell through for some reason.
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Hey nice to find some locals :thumb-up: And Rusty, a few MP1s and 3TM :whoohoo!: .
Hey RG, IMO run your MP1 rig (set for live rig (ish)) at next rehearsal, then use it live :thumb-up: , keep your normal rig ready to go so you don't stress LoL, they are sooo good live, that's what they were built for, man I wouldn't want to go on stage without my ADA rig.
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aww nice one Rusty!! Shit there was me thinking I was unique over here having an MP1!!
I have a stock one and a 3tm. I was originally going to buy the parts for a 3tm and install myself like you have done (I think right?) but one came up a last January and I figured f*ck it!! So I bought it! In the process I made a very good contact for getting our merch done!! Razamataz tshirts who do many of the big names in fact I own some of their Merch (venom tshirts spring to mind!)
Anyways I'll pm you details about our band. We don't go looking for gigs anymore because......without being big headed they gigs come to us now :) and our manager arranges any tour etc.
PMing you soon
Richard, I have been playing with my stock MP1 with my live setup for a while now. Just can't crack it yet. I need more time. Rehearsal isn't the place because we're normally on a schedule to finish a few sets in a few hours know what I mean? So I can only tinker so much. I need to go over by myself when I have the time and play with MP1 for a few hours. I've a few sounds that are ok but I'm working on combining it with a boost I need for the "extra layer" I was talking about on another thread.
I need that extra layer to thicken the tone. Right now it's too open for my needs.
As for the current live setup of GT5 and power amps and cabs. Well I've never had such a high rate of compliments about my tone. I had a few guys from a german band last Friday ask me where the tubes where! hahahahahaha I laughed and told them it was all the pedal. Anyways they loved it. But I want to get the MP1 as the main pre amp and have the boss preamps say only 45% of the time.
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Hey RG, it's an interesting journey :wave: . Mike was talking about the front boost (extra layer) last night. He's looking to try something in front (based partly on your comments). IIRC the main tweaking I ended up doing at rehearsal was more about getting the master vol settings right so I could solo over the other guitar (not as big an issue for you). These days I use the MXC CC pedal to control master vol on the MP2 and tend to use the same patch for 95% of the time. With the MP1 I had to get the volume changes right in each patch.
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Hey RG, it's an interesting journey :wave: . Mike was talking about the front boost (extra layer) last night. He's looking to try something in front (based partly on your comments). IIRC the main tweaking I ended up doing at rehearsal was more about getting the master vol settings right so I could solo over the other guitar (not as big an issue for you). These days I use the MXC CC pedal to control master vol on the MP2 and tend to use the same patch for 95% of the time. With the MP1 I had to get the volume changes right in each patch.
Hey Richard, I'll actually do a demo clip of "the extra layer" To demonstrate my point with lots of gain right! Lots of gain, but then I'll dial it back a good bit till it's lighter gain, but then I'll throw in the boost for the extra layer :)
It's something I used to do back in the day before I understood anything, an basically I achieved the same sort of thing with a wha in stuck position of choice. That also added the thickness I was after.
As for Mike, well the only thing I can say is, if you throw a clean boost infront you can get the extra gain sure and sounds more like the original sound. However throw a drive pedal in there and keep the setting basically on zero apart from the level you get thick as shit "extra level". Now there are a million pedals out there that can do it and of course each is going to have its own little unique flavour. Two ways I enjoy doing the boost (stock MP1 only) is through an EQ pedal set with a boost in the hi mids (basically like a trebel boost pedal which is actually hi mids - common guitar player folklore to call it a trebel boost) or else an overdrive pedal.
Basically I use the boSS gt5s analogue drive section and pick the vintage overdrive option for mine. Or the EQ module and set a boost from about 1k or where ever sounds nice and then turn the output volume up to suit the amount of gain I want to generate. 9 outta 10 times I just use the vintage overdrive set at zero and output level set at 50 (halfway).
I've heard of many using a tube screamer and MXR over drives to act as their boost for the MP1.
As for master volume. I have no issues setting levels, trained myself early on to work at that kinda thing. to match patches levels. Then use the output knob to match to the levels say with patches on the MFX so hey had the same output and then I could switch between either.
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Hey, since I'm on a tube quest right now for my 3TM, I may as well ask! What tubes do you use in your 3TM? Also, would you mind sharing the settings you used?
Thanks very much!
~ Rick
Hey Rick the patch I used was:
od1 od2 Master Bass Mid Trebel Presence
6 7 8 9 -2 -2 6
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Excellent stuff RG, that sounds really good, do send me your band info n' stuff. I would definitely like to come along to one of your gigs as I have been away out of the gig scene for so long. Sounds like you are a busy guy and got some great things happening man, fair play to you, speak soon, :thumb-up:
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Excellent stuff RG, that sounds really good, do send me your band info n' stuff. I would definitely like to come along to one of your gigs as I have been away out of the gig scene for so long. Sounds like you are a busy guy and got some great things happening man, fair play to you, speak soon, :thumb-up:
sent you a pm man. I still think its mad there are two of us on here from NI. I don't know any bands on the scene at the moment playing rack gear let alone MP1. Most bands I play with have a head of sorts or a combo amps.
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Recieved it RG and PMed you back, I agree, the only two people in NI at the moment with ADA racks. I know for sure though that there were others back in the 90's that used them in here Ireland but they were a very very limited few.
I can recall back in the early 90's that I put mine in the Belfast Tele for sale but only one person called about it, he was the guitar player from punk Belfast band SLF. I never sold it and took it with me to NYC. :) It had the USA transformer. I bought it in 89, when I lived in London from a friend who had returned from the USA and I used a stepdown transformer when I used it in the UK which I still have too, :) Thanks to MJMP I now have the MDRT driving it.
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MP1 would have been wasted in a punk band!! lOL Glad you kept it! As it's brought you here!!
I use my stock mp1 with a stepdown transformer, works fine ! 3TM has MDRT in it though :)