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Title: Rockman Sustainor
Post by: rabidgerry on May 26, 2015, 09:18:14 AM
Ok it's working thanks to a using a proper ac adapter

it's in need of some TLC this unit but here are some clips
Title: Re: Rockman Sustainor
Post by: rabidgerry on May 26, 2015, 09:20:23 AM
phase switch engaged to simulate 4x12ishness
Title: Re: Rockman Sustainor
Post by: rabidgerry on May 26, 2015, 09:23:40 AM
plain with chorus
Title: Re: Rockman Sustainor
Post by: rabidgerry on May 26, 2015, 09:25:09 AM
 :whoohoo!:

phase with chorus
Title: Re: Rockman Sustainor
Post by: Systematic Chaos on May 26, 2015, 10:26:30 AM
Sounds like "Turbo Lover"  :thumb-up: :thumb-up:
Title: Re: Rockman Sustainor
Post by: rabidgerry on May 26, 2015, 11:18:01 AM
funny there is actually a pre-set on my boss that is really like the opening of Turbo lover  ;D

You know I really like that album actually.  Despite what some people think it's very creative for the band to have turned their creativity into a new style they'd never done before.  The inventiveness is quintessential Judas Priest (on Turbo not my little clips).
Title: Re: Rockman Sustainor
Post by: rnolan on May 26, 2015, 11:01:33 PM
Hey RG, very cool  :thumb-up: definitely the classic Rockman tone, glad you got it working !! And a great tool to have in your collection.
Title: Re: Rockman Sustainor
Post by: rabidgerry on May 27, 2015, 12:30:16 AM
I really like it Richard but my unit is in need of a lot of tlc.  I need to buy some switch cleaner, ever switch makes some of the worst crackling noises I have ever heard.  There may be some dry solder joints also.

I toyed with the idea of replacing all the electrolyite capacitors but I haven't a clue where to start with that (how to determin values and where to buy them).  I heard Rockmans benefit a lot from cap replacement.

I hope you liked the clips.  I enjoy this little unit, I'd definitley use it for something, I think that tone is great lol
Title: Re: Rockman Sustainor
Post by: rnolan on May 27, 2015, 12:51:08 AM
Hey RG, I liked the clips allot  :thumb-up: The sustainer seems a little more refined that the X100 but same fundamental sound/tone. Yeah the slide switches were always a pain on the X100 as well. I bought a tin of SERVISOL spray Isopropyl Alcohol from the electronic shop recently, that would work well to clean the switches. IIRC they guy I spoke about before who modded his X100 so he could change sounds with a pedal of switches also did some cap changing. Although yours sounded pretty good to me, not too noisy or anything. You could touch base with the Rockman fix it shop (from other post) and get some idea ? Don't know if there's a forum or similar for maintaining them ?? My X100 seems to have a hum that comes and goes.
Title: Re: Rockman Sustainor
Post by: rabidgerry on May 27, 2015, 01:53:01 AM
Hey RG, I liked the clips allot  :thumb-up: The sustainer seems a little more refined that the X100 but same fundamental sound/tone. Yeah the slide switches were always a pain on the X100 as well. I bought a tin of SERVISOL spray Isopropyl Alcohol from the electronic shop recently, that would work well to clean the switches. IIRC they guy I spoke about before who modded his X100 so he could change sounds with a pedal of switches also did some cap changing. Although yours sounded pretty good to me, not too noisy or anything. You could touch base with the Rockman fix it shop (from other post) and get some idea ? Don't know if there's a forum or similar for maintaining them ?? My X100 seems to have a hum that comes and goes.

I just made that little riff progression up,something to bring out that "rockman" vibe.

The sustainor is noisey, I don't see to be able to work the gate that's built in to it.  The reason it's quiet is the noise reduction on the boss (it's running through the loop and centred in my chain as the preamp same way I would hook up my MP1).  Thankfully I didn't need any more than I do with any other device.  I find soon as I start having to go past 50 on the NR threshold it starts to eat into the tone so I'm at least grateful it produces manageable amounts of noise.

I contacted both companies/guys who look after Rockman refurbs and one of them  refurbs MP1's as well.  Both of them did not get back to me.  I actually did ask one if it was to expensive for me to send my rockman to them could I replace all the caps myself?  I imagine they deleted that email because I'm screwing them out of business.  I don't have much luck with American musical suppliers, they always seem to answer their emails with suspicion or in a abrupt manner.  Just my experience I guess but it's true.  I asked a guy last week about something on ebay and he was co cagey and then stopped replying to me when I said I wanted to see if he would sell me something.  I had one nice guy sell me some floyd rose saddles a few weeks ago!  That was a welcome experience.

Anyways back to Rockman, I think the cap upgrades would be a real help.  Shelf life of ten years for the caps, my unit is nearly 30 years old!!!  Might help with noise also.

I own servisol also Richard, but MJMP advised it was a bad product???  Not sure why but I know he is aware of his stuff.  I have used servisol in the past for pots and it worked a treat.  He recommended Kontakt.  I used servisol on a cooker knob also, worked a treat :)
Title: Re: Rockman Sustainor
Post by: rnolan on May 27, 2015, 04:54:45 AM
Nice little riff you made up, I got that you'd just thrown it together, like the clips I've put up, doodle around with stuff to show off the various aspects of the sound and they do that well.  I didn't realise you had NR following it, I don't like any more than say 17 to 25 threshold, I had to go to 80 on my MP2 #3 on high gain voices and as you say it sucks the tone but I should be able to fix that with R913 resistor swap (which I have ready to go, but still practicing my desolder, resolder skills on old PCBs), I also got new input jacks ready to go (fortuitously they aren't as special as the early MP1 jacks), but do have a longer thread (MJMP came to the rescue here), this is the part that gets the most wear and tare, I'll then move on to the 21 caps and resistor in MP2 #s 1 & 2, and finale is replace the tube sockets (x 6). So I have all the parts now but slowly slowly, all the MP2s work fine at the moment so no rush.
I don't think I can get Kontakt here ? the servisol I would have thought just being Isopropyl Alcohol it should be fine, that's what we used to clean multitrack tape heads with in the studio.

Mike and I bought some Floyd bits from these guys (http://axcessories.com/categories.asp), they were good.
Title: Re: Rockman Sustainor
Post by: GuitarBuilder on May 27, 2015, 06:57:19 AM
Hey RG, I liked the clips allot  :thumb-up: The sustainer seems a little more refined that the X100 but same fundamental sound/tone. Yeah the slide switches were always a pain on the X100 as well. I bought a tin of SERVISOL spray Isopropyl Alcohol from the electronic shop recently, that would work well to clean the switches. IIRC they guy I spoke about before who modded his X100 so he could change sounds with a pedal of switches also did some cap changing. Although yours sounded pretty good to me, not too noisy or anything. You could touch base with the Rockman fix it shop (from other post) and get some idea ? Don't know if there's a forum or similar for maintaining them ?? My X100 seems to have a hum that comes and goes.


I just made that little riff progression up,something to bring out that "rockman" vibe.

The sustainor is noisey, I don't see to be able to work the gate that's built in to it.  The reason it's quiet is the noise reduction on the boss (it's running through the loop and centred in my chain as the preamp same way I would hook up my MP1).  Thankfully I didn't need any more than I do with any other device.  I find soon as I start having to go past 50 on the NR threshold it starts to eat into the tone so I'm at least grateful it produces manageable amounts of noise.

I contacted both companies/guys who look after Rockman refurbs and one of them  refurbs MP1's as well.  Both of them did not get back to me.  I actually did ask one if it was to expensive for me to send my rockman to them could I replace all the caps myself?  I imagine they deleted that email because I'm screwing them out of business.  I don't have much luck with American musical suppliers, they always seem to answer their emails with suspicion or in a abrupt manner.  Just my experience I guess but it's true.  I asked a guy last week about something on ebay and he was co cagey and then stopped replying to me when I said I wanted to see if he would sell me something.  I had one nice guy sell me some floyd rose saddles a few weeks ago!  That was a welcome experience.

Anyways back to Rockman, I think the cap upgrades would be a real help.  Shelf life of ten years for the caps, my unit is nearly 30 years old!!!  Might help with noise also.

I own servisol also Richard, but MJMP advised it was a bad product???  Not sure why but I know he is aware of his stuff.  I have used servisol in the past for pots and it worked a treat.  He recommended Kontakt.  I used servisol on a cooker knob also, worked a treat :)

I understand the lack of response from PerfectSoundRockRefurbs - it seems David Accomando is getting out of the business.  However, David Ferringer from Rockman Repair should answer - please try him again and let me know if he still doesn't answer.  I can also ping him for you.

Another option is B5 Amps: http://www.b5amps.com/B5_Amplification/Rockman_Solutions.html (http://www.b5amps.com/B5_Amplification/Rockman_Solutions.html)
Title: Re: Rockman Sustainor
Post by: rnolan on May 27, 2015, 07:53:11 AM
Hey GuitarBuilder, thanks for the link, I assume he's in the US so postage wouldn't be $10 for RG and me (Ireland, Australia) but his prices aren't bad considering the amount of work to change all the caps, and while I only used batteries early in the piece, I used the rock adapter for the rest of it's life, it does have AC ripple and hum so his B5 power supply mod is attractive.

@RG, I'd send your sustainer to this guy for a refit, $100 USD is a pretty good deal to have it good for another 30 years.
Title: Re: Rockman Sustainor
Post by: rabidgerry on May 27, 2015, 09:40:35 AM
not sure if you prompted him Guitarbuilder but Ferringer got back.

He said it was $139 for a refurb.  That's more than I paid for the unit lol I paid £70 for it.  $139 is like £90.  Shipping back and forth will also rack up the coin.  I'm sure it will have to be insured although I'm known to risk this often and go with out.  It is a fairly small unit and very, very, very light.

I think I could take a stab at replacing the caps myself though in all honesty which is basically what the refurb is.  Problem would be getting all the right electrolytic caps.

I replied back to the guy so I'll what he says.  He didn't like me saying "pricey" so off to a bad start with him  :-X
Title: Re: Rockman Sustainor
Post by: rnolan on May 28, 2015, 05:31:13 AM
Hey RG, the link GB sent, the guy will do the referb for $100 USD IIRC, postage $10 but I assume US, while you could do this yourself (an all power to you, go for it), to pay someone $100 to change all those caps (just the labor) and supply the parts... As long as the shipping isn't too stupid $sss anyway my thoughts..
Title: Re: Rockman Sustainor
Post by: GuitarBuilder on May 28, 2015, 02:46:09 PM
not sure if you prompted him Guitarbuilder but Ferringer got back.

He said it was $139 for a refurb.  That's more than I paid for the unit lol I paid £70 for it.  $139 is like £90.  Shipping back and forth will also rack up the coin.  I'm sure it will have to be insured although I'm known to risk this often and go with out.  It is a fairly small unit and very, very, very light.

I think I could take a stab at replacing the caps myself though in all honesty which is basically what the refurb is.  Problem would be getting all the right electrolytic caps.

I replied back to the guy so I'll what he says.  He didn't like me saying "pricey" so off to a bad start with him  :-X

Keep in mind that David's Stage 2 repair is much more than replacing the caps:

Quote
Among other steps, a Stage 2 Refurb consists of:

A pre-work Operations Check. Replacing of all Electrolytic Capacitors. Addressing all Grounding Issues. Cleaning of all Sliders and Switches with a multi-chemical, multi-step process. Resoldering of key Solder Joints. Multi-Point Inspection. A post-work Operations Check. Critical Ear Sound Check" And to top it off, David also backs his work by a limited one year warranty.
Minor repairs are covered with a Stage 2.

Stage 2 Refurb Sustainor (Sus) 100 & 200  $139
It also includes replacing the input jack wire with a high quality silver plated shielded coaxial wire. Specify if you want the Input Jack in the front or the rear.

I'd say that's a killer deal for $139......
Title: Re: Rockman Sustainor
Post by: rabidgerry on May 29, 2015, 02:15:56 AM
@GuitarBuilder - I have been talking to the guy David Ferringer and I am basically going to go ahead with the refurb.  I'm going to wait until I save up for it.  It's going nto work out a lot more than $139 with shipping costs hence waiting.

However I just looked at the link you sent for b5amps!!  They're price is $100.  Well if their refurb is anything like David's then I'll go with them instead.

Your thoughts Guitarbuilder?

Richard, thanks for highlighting guitarbuilders link again, I didn't actually check before because I assumed it was for the place I already checked (and corresponded with - the guy David Ferringer).

Perhaps I could save a bit going with B5?  Not sure if their refurb is as thorough.
Title: Re: Rockman Sustainor
Post by: GuitarBuilder on May 29, 2015, 06:34:31 AM
I have only used the two Davids (PerfectSound and Rockman-Repair) for dozens of Rockmodules, with great results (never any issue).  Both of them do a lot of extra work besides recapping and they warranty their work for at least a year.

I've heard good things about B5 but have not used them; I'd recommend you ask them for a list of what they do for $100, if they have a warranty, and make your decision afterwards.

Don't be penny-wise and pound-foolish!  :banana: :banana: :banana:
Title: Re: Rockman Sustainor
Post by: rnolan on May 29, 2015, 08:05:39 AM
The B5 dude says he does a complete recap and clean and advises what else needs to be done (in his blurb). Hey RG, whichever way you decide to go, it's worth making the sustainer good, it's got the tone you want (in spades  :thumb-up: ). both prices IMO are reasonable considering the amount of work involved and including parts ... Internatinal shipping is F#cking out there though...

Title: Re: Rockman Sustainor
Post by: rabidgerry on June 04, 2015, 03:05:33 AM
I cleaned ever switch with servisol 10.  Afer reading much about Servisol and Deoxit it's clear that the word on the street about Servisol 10 is largely biased bullshit from Deoxit users.  Read the reviews of the product and what it has been used for and also what the company who makes it suggest it be used for.  In my own experience it's always fixed pots.  Last night I actrually tried it on push button switches and sliders!!  Worked a treat.  Only one slider is a tiny tiny bit crackley, and it's probably just ready to be replaced.

The claims that Servisol will dry out your switches can be found online by a few, one guy had never actually used the stuff but theorized that it might be bad for pots and sliders.  However it clearly states it's a libricant also and not just alcohol.  This is apparently exactly what is required to keep pontentiometers in good shape according to everything I have read.

So I just went ahead and used it on the Rockman.  Units actual controls now can be utilized without it sounding like it's going to blow up.  Intermittance is gone by about 85% may be more.

Actually debating whether a refurb is now really necessary.  I'm not sure how much sound difference I will notice if I got the unit refurbed.  Even the noise gate on it works better lol.

I nearly bought a different switch and contact cleaner but I went with my own experience and used what I already knew had worked in the past for amps and guitars.

I'm not sure why there is some bad flack out there for the Servisol.  I came acorss a massive article by a guy basically said it was bad and to use deoxit.  I later came across a forum where the same guy then admitted he might be wrong and he hadn't even used the product, and all the people who had used it kept telling him they had used it and it was fine.  He basically admitted his claim was speculation.  Anyone else use this product and can vouch for it?  I know Richard does.
Title: Re: Rockman Sustainor
Post by: rnolan on June 04, 2015, 04:50:26 AM
Hey RG, great news about your switches and sliders  :thumb-up: and good feedback on the Servisol, I haven't used it yet but have a tin ready to go, I have used CSR CO contact cleaner for years now and it's always been fine, but MJMP doesn't like it (not sure why) and as it's running low anyway, so I went with the can of Servisol. I plan to use some on the weekend, will let you know how it goes for me. The tin I have is NA-1067, just says Isopropyl Alcohol (which is what we used to clean multitrack tape heads in the studio), no mention of lubricant with this one/version though.
Title: Re: Rockman Sustainor
Post by: Systematic Chaos on June 04, 2015, 06:45:22 AM
I use "Kontakt 60" which we use in the military as well....
Title: Re: Rockman Sustainor
Post by: rnolan on June 04, 2015, 09:14:00 AM
Hey SC that's the one MJMP uses as well IIRC, I haven't found it here or I'd give it a go.
Title: Re: Rockman Sustainor
Post by: rabidgerry on June 05, 2015, 03:19:02 AM
I use "Kontakt 60" which we use in the military as well....

I read someone who used the kontact who uses servisol now and said both products were the same, or at least did the same thing.  I read alot about contact cleaners/lubricants last Friday you see.

Are you in the army SC?
Title: Re: Rockman Sustainor
Post by: Systematic Chaos on June 05, 2015, 07:56:02 AM
I use "Kontakt 60" which we use in the military as well....

I read someone who used the kontact who uses servisol now and said both products were the same, or at least did the same thing.  I read alot about contact cleaners/lubricants last Friday you see.

Are you in the army SC?

Nope....I´m in the Navy  8)
Title: Re: Rockman Sustainor
Post by: rabidgerry on June 05, 2015, 08:07:40 AM
no way!!  How do you get time to be a rockin man?  I take it you no longer have a band?  How come your on here so much?  You Navy guy's got nothing else to do?  lol
Title: Re: Rockman Sustainor
Post by: MarshallJMP on June 06, 2015, 08:11:33 AM
Actually best way is to use kontakt 60 and then kontakt WL and if needed also kontakt 61

So dirt and oxide removal,then cleaner (to wash out the dirt) and then a protector/lubrificant