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Title: Compressed Stick-tone
Post by: Peter H. Boer on April 06, 2015, 09:53:25 AM
Compressed Stick-tone
MB-1 direct to board
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnOG9cAfiI4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnOG9cAfiI4)
Title: Re: Compressed Stick-tone
Post by: MarshallJMP on April 06, 2015, 12:41:46 PM
Mmmm hard to hear the stick sometimes,too much synth.But from whay i can tell this seems to be an very interesting instrument.
Title: Re: Compressed Stick-tone
Post by: Peter H. Boer on April 06, 2015, 11:21:09 PM
I'll find out if I can find a better mix  ;)

The Stick is indeed an interesting instrument, being that the bass-side is strung upside down, and tuned in fifths  :crazy:
Title: Re: Compressed Stick-tone
Post by: rnolan on April 07, 2015, 08:54:15 AM
And post in new MB 1 topic under audio clips  :thumb-up:
Title: Re: Compressed Stick-tone
Post by: MarshallJMP on April 07, 2015, 01:31:41 PM
So what's the story about this instrument,the first i saw it was when i saw myung playing one with DT.
Title: Re: Compressed Stick-tone
Post by: Peter H. Boer on April 07, 2015, 11:41:25 PM
So what's the story about this instrument,the first i saw it was when i saw myung playing one with DT.
First I heard it in band context was Tony Levin with Peter Gabriel on songs like Shock the Monkey.

But I knew the instrument already from the inventor Emmet Chapman who demonstrated it at Frankfurter Musikmesse early 80's. But then as it was meant, as a solo instrument doing bass, chords and melody duties in the hands of 1 man.

I prefer it in band context though, not enough dynamics to keep it interesting on it's own for long.

Nick Beggs (Kajagoogoo, Steven Wilson) & Sean Malone (Cynic, Gordian Knot, 1st OSI album), Sylvain Bayol (Lazuli) & Trey Gunn (King Crimson  are other players I really like on the Stick (or Warr guitar, another tap-style instrument).

 8) 
Title: Re: Compressed Stick-tone
Post by: MarshallJMP on April 08, 2015, 03:08:44 PM
Ah ok,so it's not that old actually?
Title: Re: Compressed Stick-tone
Post by: Peter H. Boer on April 08, 2015, 11:42:13 PM
Ah ok,so it's not that old actually?
First production runs in 1974 http://www.stick.com/history/stick/ (http://www.stick.com/history/stick/)
Title: Re: Compressed Stick-tone
Post by: MarshallJMP on April 09, 2015, 01:59:51 AM
Thanks for the link,it seems there are different versions,8,10 and 12 string.Also a bass version,correct?
Title: Re: Compressed Stick-tone
Post by: Peter H. Boer on April 09, 2015, 11:10:11 AM
Thanks for the link,it seems there are different versions,8,10 and 12 string.Also a bass version,correct?
10-string is the original 5-bass and 5-lead strings
12-string is the extended version 6-bass and 6-lead strings
The 8-string is the Bass-Stick, the newest of the bunch, tuned in fourths instead of fifths, made because most 'well known' players seem to be using it mainly for bass duties (see my favourite players).

As attachment a bass-stem for one of the Illumion songs called Encomium, which is also a Stick song.
This should be better audible  8)
Title: Re: Compressed Stick-tone
Post by: Peter H. Boer on April 09, 2015, 11:17:38 AM
And this is the bass in the song context
Title: Re: Compressed Stick-tone
Post by: rnolan on April 12, 2015, 07:28:27 AM
Hey Peter, awesome, love the sound of the stick, love the harmonics that come off it  :whoohoo!: , how bass should sound IMHO. Great mix BTW  :thumb-up: Reminds me of Peter Gabriel DVD of an Italian concert, (shit hot) bass player with shorts on (did he have a stick ??) They played the majority of songs from So and a few more (e.g. Salisbury Hill, Digging in the dirt). But no "mercy street  :facepalm: " my fav
Cheers R
Title: Re: Compressed Stick-tone
Post by: Peter H. Boer on April 12, 2015, 12:16:06 PM
Hey Peter, awesome, love the sound of the stick, love the harmonics that come off it  :whoohoo!: , how bass should sound IMHO. Great mix BTW  :thumb-up:
:bow: :bow: Thank you  :bow: :bow: (The mix is also done by me b.t.w.  :P)

Reminds me of Peter Gabriel DVD of an Italian concert, (shit hot) bass player with shorts on (did he have a stick ??) They played the majority of songs from So and a few more (e.g. Salisbury Hill, Digging in the dirt). But no "mercy street  :facepalm: " my fav
Cheers R
Even more  :bow: :bow: :bow: for the comparison to Tony Levin as he is the bassplayer with Peter Gabriel. Tony is one of my heroes, as he does what I do (only way better); fretted, fretless, stick, double bass cello, bass synth + vocals  :banana:

Title: Re: Compressed Stick-tone
Post by: rnolan on April 13, 2015, 05:48:42 AM
Hey Peter, I knew it was your mix  :thumb-up:    :wave: Do you want to try the stick on this one (adadepot.com/index.php?topic=1094.0), I can send you the PT files and you can replace the bass (if you're interested). Just seems a good idea for the timbre of the song and I'm going to remix all the stuff from that period over time. I never finished them off.

Know what you mean, what a bass player, what a band !!! love it. They all inspire me in so many ways. As do you my friend (or I wouldn't have made the comparison LOL). What gear does Tony use ? (I suspect an MB1 would suite him well LOL).
Title: Re: Compressed Stick-tone
Post by: Peter H. Boer on April 13, 2015, 07:54:45 AM
Hey Peter, I knew it was your mix  :thumb-up:    :wave: Do you want to try the stick on this one (adadepot.com/index.php?topic=1094.0), I can send you the PT files and you can replace the bass (if you're interested). Just seems a good idea for the timbre of the song and I'm going to remix all the stuff from that period over time. I never finished them off.
If you're not in a hurry (as I'm pretty busy the coming weeks) I can do a stick part for you, no prob.
Send me the MP3 of the total, and if available, an mp3 of everything minus drums and bass + the drums.
Send it to peter AT thegrannyattic DOT  com

Know what you mean, what a bass player, what a band !!! love it. They all inspire me in so many ways. As do you my friend (or I wouldn't have made the comparison LOL). What gear does Tony use ? (I suspect an MB1 would suite him well LOL).
Tony has been a Trace Elliot and Ampeg endorser over the years, but freely admits that he doesn't care about the amps, he'll plug into anything that's available.
Title: Re: Compressed Stick-tone
Post by: MarshallJMP on April 13, 2015, 12:49:07 PM
Didn't he play in the liquid tention experiment?

BTW love the song and the stick!!!
Title: Re: Compressed Stick-tone
Post by: Peter H. Boer on April 14, 2015, 12:28:44 AM
Didn't he play in the liquid tention experiment?

BTW love the song and the stick!!!
Yup he did, and thanks  8)
Title: Re: Compressed Stick-tone
Post by: rnolan on April 14, 2015, 06:53:19 AM
Hey Peter, thanks  :wave: and no hurry. It's actually easier if I wetransfer the PT AIF (48k/24bit) files so you can import them and play around as you like, so if that's ok I'll send them to you soon.  Just hearing the stick sounds, I thought the timbre would really suit that track (hopefully you like it).
Cheers R
Title: Re: Compressed Stick-tone
Post by: Peter H. Boer on April 16, 2015, 02:53:43 AM
Hey Peter, thanks  :wave: and no hurry. It's actually easier if I wetransfer the PT AIF (48k/24bit) files so you can import them and play around as you like, so if that's ok I'll send them to you soon.  Just hearing the stick sounds, I thought the timbre would really suit that track (hopefully you like it).
Cheers R
OK, let's see what I can come up with on that  :P

 O0
Title: Re: Compressed Stick-tone
Post by: rnolan on April 20, 2015, 05:12:43 AM
On their way  :thumb-up:
Title: Re: Compressed Stick-tone
Post by: Peter H. Boer on April 21, 2015, 12:04:49 PM
On their way  :thumb-up:
Cool, I fly ack from Algeria to The Netherlands tomorrow, so I can pick them up Thursday  :thumb-up:
Title: Re: Compressed Stick-tone
Post by: rnolan on April 22, 2015, 06:21:35 AM
No worries, and absolutely no rush, just thought you might like that song for stick and I think it will really work for it, i.e. make the stick a feature (there's plenty of space). What's the stick like for "flase (as some call them)" harmonics, maybe double (oct lower) the ones I do at the start ??
Title: Re: Compressed Stick-tone
Post by: kawai2g4b on April 26, 2015, 12:45:20 AM
Hey Peter, I knew it was your mix  :thumb-up:    :wave: Do you want to try the stick on this one (adadepot.com/index.php?topic=1094.0), I can send you the PT files and you can replace the bass (if you're interested). Just seems a good idea for the timbre of the song and I'm going to remix all the stuff from that period over time. I never finished them off.

Know what you mean, what a bass player, what a band !!! love it. They all inspire me in so many ways. As do you my friend (or I wouldn't have made the comparison LOL). What gear does Tony use ? (I suspect an MB1 would suite him well LOL).

I only know this since I have one but he did use an Ibanez UE-303B in the early 80s: Analog multi-effect with auto-filter, compressor, and chorus/flanger.  Tony just tends to make anything sound good though.  That bass line off Sledgehammer is never going to get out of my head.
Title: Re: Compressed Stick-tone
Post by: rnolan on April 26, 2015, 08:00:44 AM
+1  :thumb-up: