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ADA Preamps => Original MP-1 => MP-1 Patches => Topic started by: Dawg on May 01, 2014, 03:38:10 AM
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Hello,
I'm looking for Metallica Justice/Black era settings for my stock MP1.
I have a G-Major too.
Thank you :)
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Maybe MikeB can help you? he has a similar rig and likes that kind of stuff ?
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Dawg -
Welcome to the forum! First question: what kind of guitar/pickups are you using?
I can get you a patch for the MP-1 Classic, which may get you close. There are tons of MP-1 owners in here though, you shouldn't have a problem finding that.
As for the G-Major, set the EQ for that classic "V" pattern (pump the bass* / cut the mids / raise highs a bit) and you'll be halfway there. *Sometimes, I like to turn up the bottom end until it gets flubby, then back off some. :thumb-up:
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Thank You Dante :)
I Have an ESP M-II with EMG 81 pickups.
So... I didn't know that the G-Major had an eq...!!!
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I don't know either - ha ha, I was just assuming it did. I don't have a G-major, but what kind of FX device doesn't have an EQ?!?
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Try these patches from Chris Ratterree and Steven Clifford. One distortion and 2 clean.
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The G major has eq, should you use it is another storey (I wouldn't, for lots of reasons....), get your tone sorted in the MP1/2 (if after that you wanted to "augment" the eq with g major..maybe..(e.g. add some bass to MP1..)). Yeah it's got eq, it's digital eq, the most dangerous, often skews (f#cks) the sound (depending on how much you care..) unless the back plane is 128 bits or better (unusual, more expensive). Time based digital effects (reverb, delay, flange. chorus) are one thing (digital versions generally not to bad to very good, you get what you pay for..), IMHO digital eq (except for the very high end $$$$ versions) are (unfortunately) still largely crap (getting better though) and, generally, do more damage than good (they sound better in the lounge room than they do at live volumes).
My Rant.. >:D
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If i remember correctly metallica also used a MQ-1 with scooped mids so may a graphic EQ would be better.
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Thanks for your answers.
The patches from Chris R and Steven C, in the clean tube voicing, with the OD at 5, the sound crunches.
For the EQ I have a MXR M108
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The MXR looks like a good unit, you could try it in the MP1 loop, if so, try to adjust the MP1 loop gain knob (this is a dual ganged pot so as you turn up the input, the output goes down and visa versa, this is to maintain unity gain, level in = level out (albeit with a modified sound)) so there is no difference volume wise with the MP1 loop in or MP1 loop off on the patch (this ensure good gain structure in the MP1). The MXR is designed (from what I could tell (http://www.jimdunlop.com/files/manuals/M108_man_web.pdf)), to also add distortion (by increasing input gain to a guitar amp and eqing the sound) and be used guit > other pedals > MXR > Guitar (preamp) Amp in > speakers. You don't necessarily need more distortion with the MP1 , it's got stacks (but some like more >:D eg 3TM) but the MP1/3TM get it from the tubes, as you have EMG's you have plenty of grunt from the guitar, so, if it were me, I'd use the MXR in the MP1 loop, set it to crystal clean (don't try and add distortion/gain here) go for a scoop V setting (as Dante suggests) to start, keep the volume and gain settings such that turning the loop patch on/off keeps the same volume/level. I don't know how loud you play, but as you turn up the wick, how your ears perceive the sound changes (Fletcher Munchen curves). At low volumes, your ear/brain hears the midrange as louder (~1khz) and the bass and treble seems softer (even though they aren't, BTW this is why loudness buttons/contour knobs are on hifis, boost bass and treble), when the volume gets to 98db (loud for some, not for guitar >:D ), the bass, mids and treb seem the same (balanced), above that (which is where rock guitar happens...) the bass and treble seem louder than mids. So if you run up a tone setting in the lounge, it will sound quite different when you cranked it up, so best to tweak the patch at stage vol if you can, then turn down for lounge. Anyway sorry to babble on, hope it helps...
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Thank you rnolan!
My problem, when I play, the sound isn't very accurate. I tried my ESP on a ENGl Powerball II and, WAHOO it's chirurgical! I don't have this "chirurgicality" with the MP1.
That's why I'm looking for Met's specifics settings.
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Well im pretty sure the only time the ada was used was for some of kirks solos. Im pretty sure they never used it for rythm so you cant really expect the same sound you hear on those albums rythm wise out of the ada.
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I believe that James and Kirk both had a MP1 during the live shit tour
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Hey Dawg, happy to help...
not quite sure what you mean by chirurgical (pls describe?, give me parameters/variables/ideas ?)
While settings are a part of this, I'd proffer that there may be some other considerations, how old are your MP1 tubes ? (they go off slow but take your articulation (aspects of) with them...). So if you haven't changed tubes in the last 2 years or so, it may be time (e.g. chuck in some new sensor Mullard short pates 12AX7's or some hi output low noise matched JJs), will bring back the edge?? On the MXR, what your chasing (articulation wise) is probably around 2khz to 4 khz, and a bit 6khz(=presence) boost to get articulation (and to some extent very highs ~ 10khz/16khz, adds shimmer??), add lows to make it fat...(remember bottom E = 82hz (if tuning A=440hz))
How's the battery in you EMG's BTW, always worth checking...
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Chirurgical = very accurate, we can hear each music notes ;)
My MP1 is old, I bought it used, and the tubes are olds too... And the tubes in my Peavey Classic 60 are very olds too...
The M108 setting is a classic metal V
(http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/YSVJdcVMKNI/maxresdefault.jpg)
(it's not my gear ;) )
The battery in my guitar is OK.
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Have you tried the same setting but on the tube dist voicing?
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Metallica is a bit trickery than you make think. With my Engl Powerball and a Good EQ I can tailor the amp to sound like any Metallica album. A very good Justice and Black Tone.
James did all the rhythm tracks using Mesa and a few EQ's Kirk used Ada, tube screamer,Mq1 and Mesa for his leads. The Clean tone on One is ADA clean channel.
With a EQ mod to the ADA you will get a better Black Album tone but You need a Really good EQ. A cheap Graphic isn't going to cut it or we'd all be using one.
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First the amps used on Justice and Black had a Five Band graphic EQ built in
80hz 240hz 750hz 2200hz 6600hz start with a V at those EQ points then get another EQ and tailor the sound to each album.
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Have you tried the same setting but on the tube dist voicing?
Yep, the sound is too loud :/
I'm sorry for my English... I'm French :facepalm:
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Metallica is a bit trickery than you make think. With my Engl Powerball and a Good EQ I can tailor the amp to sound like any Metallica album. A very good Justice and Black Tone.
James did all the rhythm tracks using Mesa and a few EQ's Kirk used Ada, tube screamer,Mq1 and Mesa for his leads. The Clean tone on One is ADA clean channel.
With a EQ mod to the ADA you will get a better Black Album tone but You need a Really good EQ. A cheap Graphic isn't going to cut it or we'd all be using one.
Yeah you're right, Metallica's tone is a dream :/
I need Jame's right hand ;)
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What do you mean by "to loud"?
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Chirurgical = very accurate, we can hear each music notes ;)
My MP1 is old, I bought it used, and the tubes are olds too... And the tubes in my Peavey Classic 60 are very olds too...
The battery in my guitar is OK.
Ahh Chirurgical thanks now I understand. Sounds very much like you need new tubes, they go off slowly over time IIRC ADA recommended change MP1 tubes every 2 years, MP2 1 year (depends on use though). To restore your "Chirurgica", - MP1 put in 2 new (hi gain low noise 12AX7) tubes (my recommendations: New Sensor Mullard (short or long plate), JJs (e.g. Boogie STRs (these tend to be expensive/overpriced but sound good), Rubys etc), TUNG-SOL. Doug's tubes have a good selection (http://www.dougstubes.com/preamp-tubes/12ax7-ecc83-7025.html). And a set for the Peavey (3 x 12AX7 (ECC83), 4 x 6L6 power tubes)(e.g. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tube-Complement-for-Peavey-Classic-60-60-/121148613034), the evilbay listing is for JJs, the brands above also have good power tubes (http://www.dougstubes.com/power-tubes/6l6-5881-kt66.html), I can personally vouch for Groove Tube 6L6s' (which are most likely re-badged tested JJs, I have 4 in my Carvin TS100, nice tubes). :thumb-up: your Chirurgica will return. (Do the MP1 first if you can't do both at once, it will make the most difference). If it were me, I'd buy 5 short plate Mullard 12AX7s' (http://www.dougstubes.com/preamp-tubes/12ax7-ecc83-7025/mullard-cv4004-12ax7.html), and 4 Mullard 6L6GCs' (http://www.dougstubes.com/power-tubes/6l6-5881-kt66/mullard-6l6gc.html). BTW new tubes will definitely blow you away.....
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BTW my power tube advice is based on the Peavey Classic 60/60 (it uses 4 x 6L6 power tubes and I'm assuming that's what you have??), when you open it up, check what power tubes are in it (e.g 6L6 = 5881 = KT66), other peavey models may (no doubt will) have different power tubes (so get the same (or equivalent) as what's in yours).
When you change power tubes, it's always a good idea to use matched (for equal power/output/gain) pairs (or even better matched 4s, Doug's offer this) and also have the bias checked/adjusted (any decent tube amp tech can do the bias for you). If you want to be really finicky and have the tubes last a little longer, wipe off any finger prints/oil with a polish cloth after you put them in (though more an issue for stage light filaments (e.g. par 64s etc))
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Yeah I'll change my tubes very quickly!
In the Peavey I have 2 6L6 (actually 2 Mesa) and 2 12AX7 (Mesa too)
In the ADA it's 2 Tung Sol, I want to try JJ tubes
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The Mesa tubes are probably JJs, but they (Mesa) get tubes from other places, they don't make them, just test them and re-badge the ones that pass the testing and charge lots more $s for them...
The Tung Sols should be good (personally I'd try the new sensor Tung Sols before JJs I find the JJs a bit 2D and break up at 82hz (bottom E, in MP2), though not as big an issue in the MP1 as it has less bass than the MP2), I've not tried the Tung Sols, I know the JJs are nice and tight (fantastic feedback, best I've heard, they really sing...feeding back) but not as 3D as other tubes, but hey, depends what you're aiming for, they all sound a bit different. In the peavey you want it tight, clean and transparent, let the ADA make the tones.
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In a Stock MP1, what are the original tubes?
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The stock MP1/2s had Chinese bottles in them, they had no brand just 12AX7A on the tube, so I don't know much more about them except they were good tubes and lasted very very well (at least 10 years, averaging 3 gigs per week). That said, a nice pair of JJs in the MP1 and a nice pair of Mullard long or short plates in the MP2 are even better (can't vouch for the same longevity with the Mullards yet, but I put some boogie STRs (normally JJs) in my old MP1 (18 years ago) and they are still going strong, although they didn't gig anywhere as often with the now/new owner).