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ADA Preamps => Original MP-1 => MP-1 Patches => Topic started by: rabidgerry on April 16, 2015, 01:48:40 AM
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Anyone got any 3TM patches they'd like to share fire them down here :)
I'd like to benefit from others who have this unit and a lot more experience with it than I do
Oh and if anyone has any brown channel 3TM patches that'd be cool too as I am trying to figure out what I'd use it for.
Cheers :amaze:
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OD1 OD2 master Bass mid treble presence
Rhythm 6.0 7.0 5.5 9 -2 -2 6 Dist tube
Solo 6.5 7.0 6.5 9 2 2 6 Dist tube
Rhythm 3.8 4.6 5.5 9 4 4 6 Clean tube (aka brown channel)
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OD1 OD2 master Bass mid treble presence
Rhythm 6.0 7.0 5.5 9 -2 -2 6 Dist tube
Solo 6.5 7.0 6.5 9 2 2 6 Dist tube
Rhythm 3.8 4.6 5.5 9 4 4 6 Clean tube (aka brown channel)
one mention of 3TM and your on the case like Columbo!! :amaze:
Thanks MJMP I'm gonna try them tonight. What the hell is the brown channel? As in how does it differ from the regular distortion channel? I have asked before but you never said. It just sounds like a dirty fuzzier distortion. I like it but I dunno if I'd have a use for it hence the request for patches :)
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Like isaid Clean tube (aka brown channel).The clean tube on a 3TM isn't clean anymore but it will turn into a brown voicing.Yes it sounds more dirty,try it out,just change the voicing to clean tube.It's nice for those early 80's metal sounds.While the distion tube is more mid80's metal sounds.
Yeah i'm the Colombo of ADA,i find out what could be wrong :lol:
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Ok man, tried those patches. They are cool. and guess what?????????????????????????????????????
No noise, well there is but it's manageable. Would you say these are heavy patches? I actually preferred the Rhythm sound for lead also.
I haven't used the brown channel setting yet. I like these patches for a lot of things I play. Can't use it for all stuff that I play but I can for most things.
While we are at it.........got a thrash setting? My own patches which I shall post I am not sure how to assess. I just play everything with them. But really dig your settings.
Over the weekend I will record each of your patches for you to analyse and see how they sound with my set up. I'll throw in a couple of my own patches and you can evaluate :)
thanks columbo
(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k114/themetalmartyr/006-columbo-theredlist.png) (http://s86.photobucket.com/user/themetalmartyr/media/006-columbo-theredlist.png.html)
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Hey Gerry, can you send to me as well please, I'd like to hear, or put them in the 3TM audio clips for all to hear ? (if you make proper files (48k 24bit or better) you can wetransfer to me ?).
What do you want from a "thrash" setting ? I'm a bit of an old fart as you know and I'm not that across the many variations of what is "metal" these days. I do like your take on it BTW :thumb-up:
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Trash metal is ,Slayer,exodus,agent steel,kreator,usually metal bands from the mid to late 80's,(no hair metal).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrash_metal
Queen stone cold crazy was actually the first trash metal song
Well i use these patches for all my stuff,ranging from accept to slayer.For AC/DC type of sounds i use the brown channel.
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Hey Gerry, Can you email me a couple you like (or youtube links) pls, just trying to get a handle on what you like/want, I don't know any of those bands, hey I'm a dinasor :facepalm:
I've found for AC/DC sounds you need to turn down the gain, and having your PU's out of phase (e.g. my JPLP) with vols pots at 3 (ish) MP2 Warm Vintage 5, middle PU position, works a treat :thumb-up:
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Trash metal is ,Slayer,exodus,agent steel,kreator,usually metal bands from the mid to late 80's,(no hair metal).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrash_metal
Queen stone cold crazy was actually the first trash metal song
Well i use these patches for all my stuff,ranging from accept to slayer.For AC/DC type of sounds i use the brown channel.
I can see what you mean about the Queen song but that comment is as outrageous as saying the Kinks "you really got me" was the first heavy metal riff :amaze:. I'm not going to get into a debate about that though as too may people have too much to say about it. Venom, Motorhead I class as the main precursors of Thrash. Despite lagging by 2 years compared to Venom, Accepts "fast as a shark" really nails the modern thrash style to come before many others. Although the same year you had Artillery's demos and they were pure heavy thrash. Been listening to Agent Steel last few weeks MJMP, great band.
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Hey Gerry, can you send to me as well please, I'd like to hear, or put them in the 3TM audio clips for all to hear ? (if you make proper files (48k 24bit or better) you can wetransfer to me ?).
What do you want from a "thrash" setting ? I'm a bit of an old fart as you know and I'm not that across the many variations of what is "metal" these days. I do like your take on it BTW :thumb-up:
do I have to send them to you then everytime I want to post audio? Not familiar with the process. I can't record in 48 just 44.1khz
Gonna do MJMP's patches first, then 2 of my own.
My own patches are:
Tube Dist Channel
OD1 OD2 MAS B M T P
4.8 10 7.5 6 -6 4 8
Brown Channel
OD1 OD2 MAS B M T P
6 6.5 7.5 6 -6 4 8
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Trash metal is ,Slayer,exodus,agent steel,kreator,usually metal bands from the mid to late 80's,(no hair metal).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrash_metal
Queen stone cold crazy was actually the first trash metal song
Well i use these patches for all my stuff,ranging from accept to slayer.For AC/DC type of sounds i use the brown channel.
I can see what you mean about the Queen song but that comment is as outrageous as saying the Kinks "you really got me" was the first heavy metal riff :amaze:. I'm not going to get into a debate about that though as too may people have too much to say about it. Venom, Motorhead I class as the main precursors of Thrash. Despite lagging by 2 years compared to Venom, Accepts "fast as a shark" really nails the modern thrash style to come before many others. Although the same year you had Artillery's demos and they were pure heavy thrash. Been listening to Agent Steel last few weeks MJMP, great band.
Well for me "you really got me" was actually the first metal song.It inspired Vanhalen to do whay they do.Same for Queen,it inspired Metallica in a way.You have to admit it sounds "Metal".But like you say it's all open for debate.
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Trash metal is ,Slayer,exodus,agent steel,kreator,usually metal bands from the mid to late 80's,(no hair metal).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrash_metal
Queen stone cold crazy was actually the first trash metal song
Well i use these patches for all my stuff,ranging from accept to slayer.For AC/DC type of sounds i use the brown channel.
I can see what you mean about the Queen song but that comment is as outrageous as saying the Kinks "you really got me" was the first heavy metal riff :amaze:. I'm not going to get into a debate about that though as too may people have too much to say about it. Venom, Motorhead I class as the main precursors of Thrash. Despite lagging by 2 years compared to Venom, Accepts "fast as a shark" really nails the modern thrash style to come before many others. Although the same year you had Artillery's demos and they were pure heavy thrash. Been listening to Agent Steel last few weeks MJMP, great band.
Well for me "you really got me" was actually the first metal song.It inspired Vanhalen to do whay they do.Same for Queen,it inspired Metallica in a way.You have to admit it sounds "Metal".But like you say it's all open for debate.
I am not a Metallica fan but I know enough about them to know that it was Venom, Motorhead and NWOBHM that inspired them, definitely not Queen. Lars Ulrich was so obsessed with Motorhead he followed them around on tour for months in 1981. The fact they covered "Stone Cold Crazy" is more due to the fact they liked that one song. I will agree with you though that there is thrash stylistics in that song, stuff that would later become trademarks of that genre. Doesn't make it thrash though, well not to me anyways, same way that Kinks song isn't a heavy metal song. Good song though and good riff. Slashing your speakers like the kinks did for more speaker break up and distortion!! Now there is a way to go!!! ;)
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Hey RG (do I have to send them to you then everytime I want to post audio? Not familiar with the process. I can't record in 48 just 44.1khz), no of course not just post them with within 10MB limit. As you know I'm not a fan of MP3 files, I just wanted to hear your tones with more clarity and withought the attack transients being destroyed (which unfortunately is what the MP3 codecs do).
So just listened to Queen (stone cold crazy), not their best song IMO (I prefer tie your mother down for example) but I think I kind of get what MJMP means. In which case, wouldn't DP highway star rate as thrash (in a way ??).
VH's version of you really got me just made the song palatable, I'd describe is as a "rocked up" version (like Bowie/Mick Ronson's version of friday on my mind (off pinups)). Best thing about VH's first album is it put guitar playing back on the map after years of boring disco (from a guitarists perspective, well mine anyway as I had to suffer through that period).
Interestingly, Steve Stevens did a version of the Sweet's "Action" on atomic playboy, but they thought they were doing a Queen tribute, good version BTW.
BTW Blackmore apparently used to kick holes in his speakers to get more speaker break up, thank god for MP1/2 so we don't need to do that shit to get a decent sound.
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Yeah I know what MJMP is saying as well. I did agree on the elements that relate to thrash. I just wouldn't say it was thrash. I hear some classical music that sounds like heavy metal, but it still classical if you get me. And I should say that the other way around since classical existed first.
Also Steve Stevens is a god!! Love his playing in Billy Idol.
Also the best version of The Sweets Hellraiser/Action can be found here. I'm biased of course being I'm a massive fan of Raven!!! This version blows my balls off!! I love the original as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIkeHK8nwss (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIkeHK8nwss)
I'll send you the clips first Richard. Haven't recorded them yet, I never know what to play in these clips lol
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Ok here is when clip of me "noodling". Some good some bad lol don't judge me ;)
It'S mjmp solo 3tm patch. Into the boss GT5 loop. Nothing on other than a bit of subtle room reverb. Excuse any messy playing. I have some clips of the rhythm patch to come.
OD1 OD2 master Bass mid treble presence
Rhythm 6.0 7.0 5.5 9 -2 -2 6 Dist tube
Solo 6.5 7.0 6.5 9 2 2 6 Dist tube
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Well i must say it sounds quite different trough my rig.This shows that there are a lot of variables that make up your sound.
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Hey RG try this version of Action (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyeybV4iPJA), I don't like the clip much and the album version is better (particularly tail out). Ravens version isn't too bad either.
3TM patch sounds quite good, I put a bit of TC M One XL delay/rev on it for the 2nd listen (nice). But really messy playing man (just joshing you, playing is very good, I'm sure there are lots of guitarist that wish they could play that well LOL). Nice squeals, still a little middy though (what cab did you select ?), personally I'd up the bass, mid = 0 0r -2, Treb = 4, Pres = 8. I recon that will make it less conservative (more on the edge, but hey that's what I like) like the tail out solo in Little Memory (but is MP2 >:D ) but to help describe what I'm saying. And I think I dig in (with pick) a bit more than you do ??
Anyway, nice usable patch go MJMP, @ MJMP how does this compare to how you sound with this (your) patch ?? (clip would be nice BTW ?).
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Well i must say it sounds quite different trough my rig.This shows that there are a lot of variables that make up your sound.
I missed this as I replied at the same time, I was emailing GR about that last night. so many things make a difference, Guitar, PUs, Tubes, poweramps (you use your Marshalls (poweramp stage only) IIRC ?), cabs/speakers and what you put into your fingers (picking and fretting), all makes a difference. So we need a clip MJMP (if your up for it ?) then we can hear how it's intended to sound :thumb-up:
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Well i have less mids and more gain (or distortion).Altough your sound is also pretty good.
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Well i must say it sounds quite different trough my rig.This shows that there are a lot of variables that make up your sound.
Yes %100 agreed.
First of all you guys know this is a direct recording setup? Well this is 3TM > GT5 (nothing on except subtle reverb) > EPSI > Cab sim > Multitrack
I let Richard hear a different clip the other other day. It was even more mid rangey, nasal perhaps but I sometimes actually like this :) honky tone and such haha. The cab sim I had that day was 2x12" jbl d120. With that impulse I used there was no info on how the cab had been mic'd or what mic type had been used. To get more grit in there I selected something with a little more bite.
The speaker I selected this time was another JBL d120, the kind from a fender twin. I didn't select it for any other reason than it was the first one that sounded brighter than the one I had used before. However this had been mic'd very close and on axis. It was also through a Electrovoice RE20 mic. I just was flicking through the speakers I have (I have 1000's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and I have never tried all of them) and found that one.
I'm sure I could easily select about 10 more and get different results. Like I mean very different.
The other thing I would mention is I tend to just have a weird unique tone sometimes all to myself. So many factors to think off that can create so many flavours of tone. It's crazy.
MJMP the guitar I used has passive 30 year old pickups in there, so they are not highput at all anymore where as they may have been at one point. I'm sure this is where the gain difference is most likely coming from between that patch with your rig and that patch with my rig.
I liked the patch, I like the mid range, I don't really scoop heavily in my band. I found a little bit of compression (not recorded on that clip by the way) really helped smooth out the feel for me. Like just a bit to smooth out the attack. I really liked it even more then. I'm defo keeping that patch and working around it for things.
Hey RG try this version of Action (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyeybV4iPJA), I don't like the clip much and the album version is better (particularly tail out). Ravens version isn't too bad either.
3TM patch sounds quite good, I put a bit of TC M One XL delay/rev on it for the 2nd listen (nice). But really messy playing man (just joshing you, playing is very good, I'm sure there are lots of guitarist that wish they could play that well LOL
Hey man it was messy in places, string noise and shit but some of it was nice if I do say so lol. When I mess about on guitar sometimes it does sound like I can't actually play the dam thing. I'm trying to play cleaner and with more control these days but sometimes it's there and sometimes it's not. I didn't know what to dam well play and I kept thinking shit I can't have something too shitty. I couldn't string anything along long enough and I didn't want to play any of my songs.
will check out the Version of Action.
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Hey RG, all the variables make a difference, but I've found over the years it's mostly in your fingers/picking (which will change and adapt to other variables to get "your" tone (or try to get toward it, no matter what you play through, or even acoustic (no gadget help..))). And I can hear your tone, and it's different to mine (as it should be LOL it's you :thumb-up: ) (and when MJMP gives us a clip >:D ), we can hear how he uses it for his tone. It was a really good base patch though (IMHO), and first I've heard 3TM sounds (that I'm aware of). So very edifying from my perspective.
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OD1 OD2 master Bass mid treble presence
Rhythm 6.0 7.0 5.5 9 -2 -2 6 Dist tube
here is a recording with same set up as before using MJMPs rhythm sound
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my own patch, kinda thrash metal
Tube Dist Channel
OD1 OD2 MAS B M T P
4.8 10 7.5 6 -6 4 8
same guitar same settings as the rest of the clips. For the music style I'm plying more in this clip a shorter reverb is perhaps in order. That's a 0.8secnd reverb I should may be take down to 0.4 to tighten it up.
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Hey RG, nice patch :thumb-up: , reverb sounded ok to me. I wonder what a bit more bass would sound like ?
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Just had another listen, turned up bass and hi on my desk ~ 2 o'clock, apart from loundness, seemed to add some nice cut and umph. Could try more bass and presence ? my 2 cents worth..
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Just had another listen, turned up bass and hi on my desk ~ 2 o'clock, apart from loundness, seemed to add some nice cut and umph. Could try more bass and presence ? my 2 cents worth..
there is two patches there Richard, I did another clip of MJMP patch but his rhythm one instead.
I am reluctant to add bass into any di sound because there is no point since it all gets stripped off if it's getting mixed with music. It can sound nice on it's own a patch with more bass but I generally set up a patch DI style to suit recording purposes. Even then I still put a hi pass filter on to remove more bass.
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OD1 OD2 master Bass mid treble presence
Rhythm 6.0 7.0 5.5 9 -2 -2 6 Dist tube
here is a recording with same set up as before using MJMPs rhythm sound
I totally dig that tone!!! Just....your pups seem to be a bit lower in output...
Try OD1 7.0 and OD2 8.0
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OD1 OD2 master Bass mid treble presence
Rhythm 6.0 7.0 5.5 9 -2 -2 6 Dist tube
here is a recording with same set up as before using MJMPs rhythm sound
I totally dig that tone!!! Just....your pups seem to be a bit lower in output...
Try OD1 7.0 and OD2 8.0
I will try that instead. The reason my pups are so low output is because they are 30 years old. I tried MJMPs patch with a guitar with a dp100 in there and f*ck me there is a whole different ball game. Weirdly I like both. I like the weaker more dynamic sound and I like the pushed like f*ck dp100 super highoutput sound. DP100 the best thing I ever done to a guitar!!
Hey SC you use dimarzio what are your views on the models of pickups you use from them? I am thinking of swapping the 30 year old pup in my westone out with something else. I ususally go for a dp100 but I may as well consider something else. The reason I haven't swapped it is because that guitar is a 30 year old collectible classic from a brand no longer making guitars. Stock setup as it is so it will be worth top dollar the older it gets. matsumoku's finest. Not sure anyone is familiar with this factory around here though.
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Hey SC you use dimarzio what are your views on the models of pickups you use from them? I am thinking of swapping the 30 year old pup in my westone out with something else. I ususally go for a dp100 but I may as well consider something else. The reason I haven't swapped it is because that guitar is a 30 year old collectible classic from a brand no longer making guitars. Stock setup as it is so it will be worth top dollar the older it gets. matsumoku's finest. Not sure anyone is familiar with this factory around here though.
PM'ed....also check this post (http://adadepot.com/index.php?topic=664.msg5432#msg5432)
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OD1 OD2 master Bass mid treble presence
Rhythm 6.0 7.0 5.5 9 -2 -2 6 Dist tube
here is a recording with same set up as before using MJMPs rhythm sound
Squier Stagemaster dp100 with MJMP Rhythm patch
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Hey RG, nice :thumb-up: , it (patch/guitar combo) also makes a lovely lead tone (in the last bit, really sweet and melodic).
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that's called not knowing what the hell to play ;D Just a demo anyways. I don't notice so much when playing but a nasty bit of grit (the unpleasant kind) seems more prominant with that guitar, perhaps a different speaker would be more suited to that particular axe fitted with the DP100. Only noticeable though after it's recorded. I can't hear it so much when I was playing, or perhaps I just ignored it when I was playing. Oh well not matter, the foundation is definitely there. I just can't believe how dernse it sounded with the different guitar and pickup. Also much darker. Good to have variety.
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Have you tried it with an actual amp and speakers?
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not the 3tm but my regular MP1 I have.
I have recently arranged all my cabs in a different manner and this has made things sound a lot better and I get way less feedback so I will give the MP1 a bash again with my live setup before I introduce the the 3tm to the live setup. I usually get things sorted in home studio environment first before I take them to the loud and live situation. Some people might work in the opposite way lol
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ok :thumb-up:
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Hey RG, I'd give the 3TM (with that patch) a go first. That (IMHO) was the (a very good) basis of a really good basic rhythm/lead patch, much like what I use. I put a bit of TC MOne on it :thumb-up: cooking. Great place to start (hey my ears..).
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what the funk is TC MONE? AHAHAHHAHA
I'll test it soon. My MP1 is already already in the room so it's more conveinient to test that first :) Plus I plan on using both. Not sure which one will live in the studio and also not sure if the Stock MP1 will remain a stock MP1. Depends on whether MJMP is gonna sell me the parts ;) Any sign of those transformers we're always asking about? MDRT?
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what the funk is TC MONE? AHAHAHHAHA
THIS (http://www.tcelectronic.com/de/m-one-xl/) is a a TC M-One :thumb-up:
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Hey RG, MJMP has some MDRTs at the moment, get them while hey are hot, going fast I suspect LOL.
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what the funk is TC MONE? AHAHAHHAHA
THIS (http://www.tcelectronic.com/de/m-one-xl/) is a a TC M-One :thumb-up:
:o you fancy pants always showing of yer fancy expensive gear. Unlike me raiding the bargain buckets :lol:
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Hey RG, MJMP has some MDRTs at the moment, get them while hey are hot, going fast I suspect LOL.
sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiitttt!! I see he has ten in stock!! Hey MJMP we gotsta talk bout 3TMING MDRTING and modding reverb units lol :thumb-up: :banana-upsidedown: :whoohoo!: :bow: :banana-guitar:
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Okay!!!! :lol: :thumb-up:
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Hey RG, The TC Mone XL is the studio version, basically a very reasonable high end reverb unit (not a patch on a Lexicon Lark 224X BTW mmm nice verb) but quite nice and is in my studio rack (handy, I can put it on your clips (and anything else..)). A friend gave it to me with a bunch of other (really nice) gear he wasn't using and his wife wanted gone (from the shed). Like you I've been scrounging all my career LOL.
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found a nice speaker to use with 3TM and MJMP rhythm patch............yep its so good I still not changed it haha
I did this little solo from an old song my band don't play anymore. Did this version with doubling style chorus. I will upload non chorus version when I get a minute. Mean time check out this chorus version.
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Cool, I going to play that to a guy I'm sort of teaching, he plays that kind of style but hasn't mastered cutting off the notes and leaving that "tiny" bit of space between like you do well :thumb-up:
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Thanks Richard. I do sometimes, and sometimes I don't. When I remember I do lol It's harder with reverb which I always use unfortauntely. I am a neat freak sometimes like that so it pisses me off if I don't have little breath spaces where there should be some. Live sometimes I'm just lucky to have played the right thing hahahhahaha
Our bass player hasn't a clue how to mute in little instances like that, I had to beat him round the head a few times to get him to stop strings ringing into one another during our last recordings sessions!! He eventually got the hang of it :)
dry version to follow
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It's pretty fundamental to make a band sound tight. "it's more important what you don't play than what you do play" albeit the holes are small and harder in some ways when you play very fast, but no less important. If you all make the same holes (drums, bass, guit, vocals (to a point) the band will sound tight. It's even more important when you play with distortion/sustain/volume (as notes ring on and create mush).
One way you can help how much the reverb, delay (and any time based FX) help (or hinder) your spaces is to adjust their (delay) times (rev, del, chorus etc) to be in time with the song. So work out beats per minute (it will vary a little between rehearsal and live no doubt >:D ) of each song, turn it into mili seconds (i.e. how many MS is 1/4 note, 1/2 note etc) and use those values or products of those values for you patches (e.g. I want the delayto be 1/8 note with 3 repeats). It's a bit fiddly and pedantic (you may get close enough with a tap tempo button), but helps heaps (and a must for recording).
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Yeah I shorten the time on reverbs depending on what speed and type of riffs I'm using. This would be just for general ambience reverbs. If I was going for more "effect" styles like a hall reverb for a solo I would be as fussy.
Sometimes I have to shorten it to abou 0.5msecs I generally seem to stick about 0.7-0.8msecs though anyways.
I love Chorus :thumb-up:
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In your case where you are flying into gigs, renting cabs, and (I assume) getting the sound guy they provide ?? (but even if you brought you own guy how much would they let him/her change). Thus what you present to the mics they put on you is what you have to work with, thus the tighter the sound from you guys, (the front house dude will no doubt put an overall reverb on and some vox delay ??), the better it will sound. And particularly in your bands style, one of the things that will help set you apart from the others is "playing the holes" (with lots of energy, but you do that already >:D :thumb-up: )
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Yeah that's pretty much the exact case. We don't have our own sound guy. We have to adapt constantly and I will be honest, it's very hard for me. But experience has brought me a long way and I play through shit conditions and still look like I'm having fun even if I'm miserable and ready to go home and cry because the sound on stage is so awful.
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dry solo this time
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Mercyful fate jam
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Sounds good just a bit too much highs for me.Now this could sound good in a band mix.
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really? hahaha I can't say for sure but I really think Richard would probably say there needs to be more high end :lol:
Me personally it sounds fine to me. Obviously though I can make it sound different purely by the speaker choice. Your patch settings are still the same, all that I changed was the speaker impulse.
If I was mixing that I couldn't tell what I would need to omit until I had drums and bass and vocals all together. I always try to get best results at the root recording so as little as possible will need changed in DAW.
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dry solo this time
Hey RG, nice gallop, great tone I like it :thumb-up:
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Mercyful fate jam
Hey RG, I'd add some sparkle (tops) to that one (maybe my ears are gone LoL) but great sound :thumb-up: That would sit quite nicely in the band mix IMO (maybe a touch of aural exciter >:D ), hey nice playing also :thumb-up:
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dry solo this time
Sounds boss! For me, I´d add a bit of Chorus (very subtle, just to broaden it up a bit) and some Delay (250ms R / 500ms L; 3repeats) and I´d be golden!
What Cab impulse/Speaker type did you use for that one??
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At that speed, delay I'd go half that (ish) ~174 ms left and 348 ms right, hey try both and whatever in between, it helps (allot) if it's a product/ratio of the song's speed. Although with just one guitar, you can get away with bigger delays, with 2 guitars it becomes more difficult (so shorter works better IMO) but do you want echo ? (in which case SC's numbers would maybe be better) or are you just building a tone ?? (which can be a complex beast LoL)
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dry solo this time
Sounds boss! For me, I´d add a bit of Chorus (very subtle, just to broaden it up a bit) and some Delay (250ms R / 500ms L; 3repeats) and I´d be golden!
What Cab impulse/Speaker type did you use for that one??
The cab was
Basketweave G12M25s-SM57-Cap-0in
think basket weave is an old marshall cab right MJMP?
hey SC, I did a version with subtle chorus a few posts back, did you check that for comparison? Or will I do it again? Chorus on the earlier one was
rate 20
depth 30
pre-delay 30ms
mix 50
I've not used a delay in a solo in a long time. There is one I fancy adding it too actually I must get round to working that out. Not sure if I would use it for the whole solo.
Mercyful fate jam
Hey RG, I'd add some sparkle (tops) to that one (maybe my ears are gone LoL) but great sound :thumb-up: That would sit quite nicely in the band mix IMO (maybe a touch of aural exciter >:D ), hey nice playing also :thumb-up:
I knew you would want more hi end. For me that's spot on. Sounds dark sometimes, but I notice a massive difference when I say am listening to one speaker and then swap to another one. If I start my session of with that speaker BasketweaveG12M25s-SM57-Cap-0in it sounds fine. If I switch to a brighter one and then go back to the original one it will sound real dark. How I gauge things from now on is the first impression listen before ear fatigue of any kind sets in or any bias from anything else.
I'm not doing anything with that Richard in regard to building a tone. I'm just firing out examples of that patch and results of my DI setup. Playing about really. I'm not even using that solo mind you I will rewrite lyrics for that song and use it again some day as the music is too good (in my opinion). And to think I wrote that track when I couldn't play lol actually some debate as to whether I can even play now :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Hey RG (actually some debate as to whether I can even play now) your doing pretty well IMO (for what it's worth LoL) :thumb-up:
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At that speed, delay I'd go half that (ish) ~174 ms left and 348 ms right, hey try both and whatever in between, it helps (allot) if it's a product/ratio of the song's speed. Although with just one guitar, you can get away with bigger delays, with 2 guitars it becomes more difficult (so shorter works better IMO) but do you want echo ? (in which case SC's numbers would maybe be better) or are you just building a tone ?? (which can be a complex beast LoL)
That's interesting... I always use the 250ms/500ms one on my Leads for faster stuff as the 250ms is the "main" and the 500ms just enhances the stereo image.
For all slower melodic Leads I genrelly use 350ms/700ms or 400ms/800ms
These settings go back to 94/95 when I played in a prog-metal band with one guitar plus a keyboard.
I nevertheless used/use the same setting today in a 2 guitar band setup with the other guitar player going mono and me going stereo....works like a charm
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Hey RG (actually some debate as to whether I can even play now) your doing pretty well IMO (for what it's worth LoL) :thumb-up:
its worth a lot actually so thanks Richard. I'm a player who always has doubts about my own ability. I sort of use that to try harder and get better. Bad days are bad days though and some days it sounds like I dunno what a guitar is. Starting to realise warming up is advisable particularly if you have a circulatory condition like I do and hands are always cold. f**king nightmare.
Anyways off topic as usual, clips are just for fun, messing about letting you guys hear. Might do a clip with the delay now.
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At that speed, delay I'd go half that (ish) ~174 ms left and 348 ms right, hey try both and whatever in between, it helps (allot) if it's a product/ratio of the song's speed. Although with just one guitar, you can get away with bigger delays, with 2 guitars it becomes more difficult (so shorter works better IMO) but do you want echo ? (in which case SC's numbers would maybe be better) or are you just building a tone ?? (which can be a complex beast LoL)
That's interesting... I always use the 250ms/500ms one on my Leads for faster stuff as the 250ms is the "main" and the 500ms just enhances the stereo image.
For all slower melodic Leads I genrelly use 350ms/700ms or 400ms/800ms
These settings go back to 94/95 when I played in a prog-metal band with one guitar plus a keyboard.
I nevertheless used/use the same setting today in a 2 guitar band setup with the other guitar player going mono and me going stereo....works like a charm
I only ever used delay in a solo once and I'm pretty sure I just winged it, and it worked ok. No clue what the time was. I use it for an intro at the moment where I play picked arpeggios (not sweeped) and the delay is set to repeat like the last few notes of each arpeggio between pauses. I did it for a recording then used some math to work out what it was on my FX delay on the live setup.
For reverb delays I usually run between 0.6ms to like 1.7ms depending on the song. I don't usually bother with predelay because the times I use are so short you never get to hear much of the pre-delay effect. I have a highish mix as well so it's there but it doesn't sound like I'm in a hall know what I mean? Just for ambience really or a room sound in a fairly dead sounding room.
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I used to use 250/500ms and I had one patch that had a longer delay for lead. Writing down my Quadverb patches recently for someone here I discovered the delay was shorter and I had a chamber reverb (I don't remember making that patch BTW :facepalm: ). But it works really well just on every patch (that doesn't need anything else) mixed in subtly.
Front house Vox delay I tend to start with 250/500.
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ok took me a while to get a delay I liked
385ms was what I used, had a good many repeats in there with the feedback parameter. It was tricky to get this sounding like I played it clean. I play all the strings open with no palm muting at all so I had to watch out for the strings blurring into one another and becoming even more mushy with the delay. This clip is ok though for me. Same patch, same strings, same speaker impulse as before just with delay this time.
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Getting there! .... A tad bit less Dly in the mix and not as many repeats/regen/...
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ok two takes of improved delay
dialled the mix of delay down from 45% to 38%
dialled feedback back from 25 from to 16 (out of a scale of 100)
take 1
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Take 2
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and another version but with Tap Delay (more stereo :thumb-up: )
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Sounds good....although the Dly still has too much of a Reverb kinda thing going (for my tastes)...
I´d back off the Dly-mix to 25-30% (maybe 300ms for faster soloing stuff; and another preset with the same settings but 400ms for slower melodic solos) ...YMMV...
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Sounds good....although the Dly still has too much of a Reverb kinda thing going (for my tastes)...
I´d back off the Dly-mix to 25-30% (maybe 300ms for faster soloing stuff; and another preset with the same settings but 400ms for slower melodic solos) ...YMMV...
I timed that delay to the speed at which I played that so 385 seemed the best. There is reverb on there, that's what you hear. Just the subtle one I always use. I did try it off but sounded to "dry" for me. It would probabably have been easier to play had I turned the reverb off. I know exactly what you about it. Might be adding a little cloudeyness in there. Oh well not trying to crack anything here just messing around. It was good fun messing with the delay's, felt like I learnt a lot actualy about the delay module of my FX unit. It's nice if I dial the hi cut down a little, gives an analogue delay sound. The tap delay allows one channel to be a percentage of the initial delay channel and then with the direct sound it sounds like 3 different times going at once. Have a few songs in mind where some delay might be nice on the solo. I do love effects :)
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you can let the 3TM more sound like thrashy like Exodus etc.
In front of 3tm I got a Pro Tone JGary Holt Midbooster and aPro Tone Jeff Loomis Signature Overdrive.
After the 3Tm come a Rane MPE 28