ADA Depot Too - A Forum To Support Users of ADA Amplification Gear

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  

News:

Need a Schematic? Check the Vault *MP-1 Classic Schematics Just Added!!

Pages: [1] 2   Go Down

Author Topic: 4ohm Resistor Across C131 & D38 ?  (Read 1296 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

red2203stack

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 14
4ohm Resistor Across C131 & D38 ?
« on: Time Format »

Good Morning,
I'm getting ready to recap an all original unmodified MP1 with a REV E board. Located at the positive lead of C131 (OEM; 3300uf 25v) is a 4ohm resistor that jumps to D38. Has anyone ever seen this in an original? What's it's purpose, to act as some kind of snubber to prevent poping at start up? Any replies greatly appreciated.

Joe
« Last Edit: Time Format by red2203stack »
Logged

Dante

  • Administrator
  • Superhero Member
  • ******
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1519
  • Nothing more uncommon than common sense
    • The Best Cover Band In Sacramento
Re: 4ohm Resistor Across C131 & D38 ?
« Reply #1 on: Time Format »

Hiya Joe, Glad you made it in here, welcome to the DEPOT!

I'm sure somebody will chime in with a response to your question very soon, I'm not the guy to ask. Best of luck with the project!

Dante
Logged
ADA Gear: MP-1 Classic | MP-2 | Viper Combo | MicroTube 200 | MicroFet | MXC w/Quad Switch

red2203stack

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 14
Re: 4ohm Resistor Across C131 & D38 ?
« Reply #2 on: Time Format »

Thanks for the welcome Dante, been lurking for years. There's so much good info in this forum I never had to post before.

As far as this project, gonna keep it simple with all original values.

Replace front input jack
Partial electrolytic recap
Change 1N4007 rectifier diodes to UF4007
LED Upgrade
Replace pots
Battery receptacle upgrade
Check/clean/refresh solder joints & PCB & jacks

Looking forward to getting this bad Larry plugged back in.

Logged

red2203stack

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 14
Re: 4ohm Resistor Across C131 & D38 ?
« Reply #3 on: Time Format »

Found a chip in the circuit path above the diodes. Not sure if it was intentional. Also a green jumper wire. Everything in this unit appears to be original from the factory. Still not sure the purpose of the 4ohm resistor.
Logged

rnolan

  • Administrator
  • Superhero Member
  • ******
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 4928
Re: 4ohm Resistor Across C131 & D38 ?
« Reply #4 on: Time Format »

Hey Joe, welcome to the depot.  :thumb-up: :wave: you may want to pick up some bits and pieces from MJMP (http://www.marshalljmpmodshop.net/miscellaneous_parts_and_replacement_tubes.htm) and he can probably enlighten you on the resistors purpose.
Logged
Studio Rig: MP2/MB1 > Eurorack UB2442FX-Pro > TC M-One XL > Behringer Truths (with Truth Sub) / QUAD ESL 63s
Live Rig: MP2/MB1 > Alesis Quadverb > Alesis Midiverb 4 > Yamaha AM802 > B200s/Carvin TS100/DCM200L > ADA Split Stacks/Mesa P112s

red2203stack

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 14
Re: 4ohm Resistor Across C131 & D38 ?
« Reply #5 on: Time Format »

Thanks for the welcome rnolan. I previously emailed MJMP about an effects return jack. The one part I can't find anywhere. Will ask him if he's ever seen this. Thanks again
Logged

MarshallJMP

  • Superhero Member
  • ******
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3839
    • marshalljmpmodshop.net
Re: 4ohm Resistor Across C131 & D38 ?
« Reply #6 on: Time Format »

Yep seen this before, ADA used a different brand of transformer (Taiwanese) and this one put out more voltage to the filaments and also to the 5V regulators. I think they put it in there so the 7805 won't heat up as much, you will get a voltage drop over the resistor so the 7805 get's a lower voltage which results in less heat in the 7805.
Logged

red2203stack

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 14
Re: 4ohm Resistor Across C131 & D38 ?
« Reply #7 on: Time Format »

Oh ok, that explains it. Thanks for the reply MJMP. I Replaced the 6 diodes with new 1n4007's and changed the 2200uf & 3300uf caps. Now i'm gonna have to wait on a new 4ohm resistor, closest i have is 5.6ohm. The original was 5w ceramic wirewound. Is that the best option for that?
Logged

Dante

  • Administrator
  • Superhero Member
  • ******
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1519
  • Nothing more uncommon than common sense
    • The Best Cover Band In Sacramento
Re: 4ohm Resistor Across C131 & D38 ?
« Reply #8 on: Time Format »

You guys talk funny
Logged
ADA Gear: MP-1 Classic | MP-2 | Viper Combo | MicroTube 200 | MicroFet | MXC w/Quad Switch

MarshallJMP

  • Superhero Member
  • ******
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3839
    • marshalljmpmodshop.net
Re: 4ohm Resistor Across C131 & D38 ?
« Reply #9 on: Time Format »

You guys talk funny

 ;D :thumb-up:
Logged

MarshallJMP

  • Superhero Member
  • ******
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3839
    • marshalljmpmodshop.net
Re: 4ohm Resistor Across C131 & D38 ?
« Reply #10 on: Time Format »

Oh ok, that explains it. Thanks for the reply MJMP. I Replaced the 6 diodes with new 1n4007's and changed the 2200uf & 3300uf caps. Now i'm gonna have to wait on a new 4ohm resistor, closest i have is 5.6ohm. The original was 5w ceramic wirewound. Is that the best option for that?

Why would you replace it? Never seen these fail. You can also remove it but then you need put a wire bridge over those traces that are cut. Also be carefull with a bigger resistor, make sure the voltage drop isn't too big. The 7805 need a voltage difference of 3V between in and out.
Logged

red2203stack

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 14
Re: 4ohm Resistor Across C131 & D38 ?
« Reply #11 on: Time Format »

I cut it out to make for a clean removal with the 3300uf cap. Replacing that with a Sprague 105°. The old resistor still measures 4ohm on the meter without juice. I"ll order the correct replacement from mouser. Thought I had one. With this order might include replacement transistors, just to have. Are there any benefits in noise reduction by replacing those?
Logged

red2203stack

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 14
Re: 4ohm Resistor Across C131 & D38 ?
« Reply #12 on: Time Format »

Slow is smooth, smooth is fast. Waiting on parts. The parts were reasonable so I decided to tighten up the power supply a little better before moving on..

New transistors (VR1, VR2, VR3, VR4) same values

New .047uf ceramic disc capacitors at (C119, C120, C122, C123, C125, C127, C129, C136). Replaced with .047uf 1kv 105° 10% ceramic

New 33uf/25v electrolytic caps rated at 105° at C121, C124, C126, C128

New 2200uf/40v 125° electrolytic at C129 & C130

New 3300/16v 105° electrolytic at C131

That should restore the power supply to its glory days. The original electrolytics were getting bad quick.
Logged

red2203stack

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 14
Re: 4ohm Resistor Across C131 & D38 ?
« Reply #13 on: Time Format »

One addition, don't try this type of work with desolder braid. It tends to lift the eyelets. For parts removal, A hot air rework station set to about 275° works well. For the iron around 350°.
Logged

bunkyloo

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 99
  • Tones for days with my ADA's !
Re: 4ohm Resistor Across C131 & D38 ?
« Reply #14 on: Time Format »

What station are you using .
Logged
Pages: [1] 2   Go Up