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Resurrection of Vintage A/DA Flanger
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I picked up this vintage A/DA Flanger and I am looking for assistance on getting modern parts to get it back working.  I would like to re-cap it.  I am asking for assistance because I am not an electrical engineer.  I can solder and have done minor work on boards before.  It worked out and the joints were good.   I know enough to know that I need assistance crossing over the old parts (like caps) to modern equivalents. I am hoping to find someone that has done this before and has a list I can use at mouser or someplace like that.

Any other suggestions on items that may need replaced due to the age would be greatly appreciated.

I believe this is a 1978 or early 79 Flanger.  I could really use a schematic for 78/79 A/DA Flanger.

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Re: Resurrection of Vintage A/DA Flanger
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Sounds like a very cool project!   It shouldn't be hard to match up the caps from old to new.

Don't know if these have been submitted to the Schematic Vault yet and Dante has been just stuffing off there all this time ;)  or not, but see attached.   :wave:
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Re: Resurrection of Vintage A/DA Flanger
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Thank you for the schematics.  Like I said I am new to this.  Looks like the 1978 is closer to what I have because it has the RETICON SAD 1024Y.  Hope that thing is still good.  Be tricking finding one of those. 

On the 78 Schematic is says ADA-10-186P REV D.  My board says 10-184P REV E.  Unfortunately I am just learning so I have no idea what they would have changed.  I am assuming that because of the 186P is higher than 184P so my board is older.  However "D" comes before "E" so that throws that idea off.  Eh' Have to start somewhere and I will figure it out.
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Re: Resurrection of Vintage A/DA Flanger
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Hey cbaueril, I don't know if this will help, but ADA (http://www.adaamps.com/) are making flangers again, can they, will they help  :dunno: worth reaching out to them maybe ?? Hey not to say we wont try to help you here  :thumb-up:
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Re: Resurrection of Vintage A/DA Flanger
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Thank you and yes I have already talked to A/DA.  They were happy that I was fixing up such a old unit but they said that do not work on the old units.  On their site they have links to service centers.  No a bad idea but I would really like to do this myself.  Will not learn how to repair equipment if I do not try.  We shall see I also contacted Analog man Mike.  Waiting to hear back.
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Re: Resurrection of Vintage A/DA Flanger
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Hey cbaueril

Welcome to the depot!

I did find some more schematics and mods they did between the different revision

I do have the pcb layout of the 10-184 rev E (3th pdf file)

So fo the moment it doesn't work? If not what does it do and don't?
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Re: Resurrection of Vintage A/DA Flanger
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Thank you for the assistance.
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Re: Resurrection of Vintage A/DA Flanger
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because it has the RETICON SAD 1024Y.  Hope that thing is still good.  Be tricking finding one of those. 


Yes let's hope so, these things are going for high prices these days.
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Re: Resurrection of Vintage A/DA Flanger
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Here is a list of the ICs & Capacitors for the AD/A flanger 10-184P Rev E.  This could not have been done without the help of member MarshallJMP.  My hat is off to him for all his help and putting up with me.  ???

IC 1
729
612163-1


 Replaced with:
LM324N
Product Category:   Operational Amplifiers - Op Amps   
Manufacturer:   Texas Instruments   
Mounting Style:   Through Hole   
Package / Case:   PDIP-14   
Supply Voltage - Max:   32 V   
Output Current per Channel:   30 mA   
Number of Channels:   4 Channel   
GBP - Gain Bandwidth Product:   1.2 MHz   
SR - Slew Rate:   0.5 V/us   
CMRR - Common Mode Rejection Ratio:   65 dB   
Ib - Input Bias Current:   250 nA   
Vos - Input Offset Voltage:   7 mV   
Supply Voltage - Min:   3 V   
Operating Supply Current:   175 uA   
Maximum Operating Temperature:   + 70 C   
Minimum Operating Temperature:   0 C   
Shutdown:   No Shutdown   

http://www2.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Texas-Instruments/LM324N/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtCHixnSjNA6Araa3jp4DVB37ZJv3RooEc%3d
 
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IC 2
HB
MC1458P


Replaced with:
Quantity: 2
MC1458P
Product Category:   Operational Amplifiers - Op Amps   
Manufacturer:   Texas Instruments   
Mounting Style:   Through Hole   
Package / Case:   PDIP-8   
Supply Voltage - Max:   30 V   
Output Current per Channel:   25 mA   
Number of Channels:   2 Channel   
GBP - Gain Bandwidth Product:   1 MHz   
SR - Slew Rate:   0.5 V/us   
CMRR - Common Mode Rejection Ratio:   90 dB   
Ib - Input Bias Current:   500 nA   
Vos - Input Offset Voltage:   6 mV   
Supply Voltage - Min:   10 V   
Operating Supply Current:   1.5 mA   
Maximum Operating Temperature:   + 70 C   
Minimum Operating Temperature:   0 C   
Shutdown:   No Shutdown

 
http://www2.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Texas-Instruments/MC1458P/?qs=%2fha2pyFadugOtKv%252bbv1YXuloQg%252bBV%252bz%252burQB6CiX7r4%3d
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IC 3
RC3403ADB
RAYC7932


Replaced with:
MC3403N
Product Category:   Operational Amplifiers - Op Amps   
Manufacturer:   Texas Instruments   
Mounting Style:   Through Hole   
Package / Case:   PDIP-14   
Supply Voltage - Max:   30 V   
Output Current per Channel:   30 mA   
Number of Channels:   4 Channel   
GBP - Gain Bandwidth Product:   1 MHz   
SR - Slew Rate:   0.6 V/us   
CMRR - Common Mode Rejection Ratio:   70 dB   
Ib - Input Bias Current:   500 nA   
Vos - Input Offset Voltage:   10 mV   
Supply Voltage - Min:   5 V   
Operating Supply Current:   700 uA   
Maximum Operating Temperature:   + 70 C

 
http://www2.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Texas-Instruments/MC3403N/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtCHixnSjNA6CumnoLUElGjh%252bm1Am2sWZg%3d
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IC 5
UA723CN
MALAYSIA 7901 DB


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UA723CN
Product Category:   Linear Voltage Regulators   
Manufacturer:   Texas Instruments   
Mounting Style:   Through Hole   
Package / Case:   PDIP-14   
Output Voltage:   2 V to 37 V   
Output Current:   150 mA   
Output Type:   Adjustable   
Input Voltage MAX:   40 V   
Maximum Operating Temperature:   + 70 C   
Load Regulation:   - 2 mV / V   
Line Regulation:   5 mV / V   
 
http://www2.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Texas-Instruments/UA723CN/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtUqDgmOWBjgDRL0v%252b7sWT8QKhPAuLGMxI%3d
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IC 6
CD 4007UBE
RCA 936


Replaced with:
CD4007UBE
Product Category:   Specialty Function Logic   
Manufacturer:   Texas Instruments      
Operating Supply Voltage:   3 V to 18 V   
Package / Case:   PDIP-14   
Packaging:   Tube   
Brand:   Texas Instruments   
Maximum Operating Temperature:   + 125 C   
Minimum Operating Temperature:   - 55 C   
Mounting Style:   Through Hole   
Number of Input Lines:   3   
Number of Output Lines:   6   
Operating Temperature Range:   - 55 C to + 125 C   
Propagation Delay Time:   110 ns at 5 V, 60 ns at 10 V, 50 ns at 15 V

 
http://www2.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Texas-Instruments/CD4007UBE/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvWeWJnYoK0LuLjG7OoclaRW94HBfGk3C0%3d
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IC 7
CD4047AE
RCA 932


Replace with:
CD4047BE
Product Category:   Monostable Multivibrator   
Manufacturer:   Texas Instruments   
Elements per Chip:   1   
Logic Family:   CD4000   
Logic Type:   Monostable/Astable Multivibrator   
Package / Case:   PDIP-14   
Supply Current - Max:   0.02 mA   
Propagation Delay Time:   1000 ns, 450 ns, 300 ns   
High Level Output Current:   - 4.2 mA   
Low Level Output Current:   4.2 mA   
Supply Voltage - Max:   18 V   
Supply Voltage - Min:   3 V   
Pd - Power Dissipation:   500 mW   
Maximum Operating Temperature:   + 125 C   
Minimum Operating Temperature:   - 55 C   
Packaging:   Tube   
Brand:   Texas Instruments   
Height:   4.57 mm   
Length:   19.3 mm   
Mounting Style:   Through Hole   
Operating Supply Voltage:   3.3 V, 5 V, 9 V, 12 V
 
http://www2.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Texas-Instruments/CD4047BE/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvlv4093HnhKZ8bAgIsdcd%2fHQD8%2fWa9R1o%3d
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IC 8
RETICON
SAD 1024Y 6255


You would have to hunt for this one as it has been out of production for some time.  And to the best of my knowledge it is necessary and can’t be easily substituted.
 

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Now for the Caps……  :thumb-up:
"{ ...... }" is where the caps are located on the pdf posted above.

 

  50V -1uf  CEW (85L) 68 (S)
Quantity: 1
 { C21 }
 
Replaced with:
UKT1H010MDD
Product Category:   Aluminum Electrolytic Capacitors - Leaded   
Manufacturer:   Nichicon   
Termination Style:   Radial   
Capacitance:   1 uF   
Voltage Rating DC:   50 VDC   
Tolerance:   20 %   
Ripple Current:   13 mA   
Maximum Operating Temperature:   + 105 C   
Diameter:   5 mm   
Length:   11 mm   
Lead Spacing:   2 mm   
Product:   Audio Grade Electrolytic Capacitors   
Life:   1000 Hour   
Brand:   Nichicon   
Dissipation Factor DF:   0.14   
Leakage Current:   4 uA

http://www2.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Nichicon/UKT1H010MDD/?qs=kArNe9LFxXn6GdU1dDK53g%3d%3d
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  25v +22
Quantity: 4
{ C20 C22 C32 C29 }

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ECA-1EM220I
Product Category:   Aluminum Electrolytic Capacitors - Leaded   
Manufacturer:   Panasonic   
Termination Style:   Radial   
Capacitance:   22 uF   
Voltage Rating DC:   25 VDC   
Tolerance:   20 %   
Ripple Current:   90 mA   
Maximum Operating Temperature:   + 85 C   
Diameter:   5 mm   
Length:   11 mm   
Lead Spacing:   2.5 mm   
Product:   General Purpose Electrolytic Capacitors   
Series:   M   
Life:   2000 Hour   
Brand:   Panasonic   
Lead Style:   Straight   
Package / Case:   Radial, Can

http://www2.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/ECA-1EM220I/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22ZGaUoI0JcRfM4vyGHRVmRs%3d
 
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25v +4.7
Quantity: 5
{ C2 C15 C17 C26 C27}

Replaced with:
ECE-A1EKA4R7I
Product Category:   Aluminum Electrolytic Capacitors - Leaded   
Manufacturer:   Panasonic   
Termination Style:   Radial   
Capacitance:   4.7 uF   
Voltage Rating DC:   25 VDC   
Tolerance:   20 %   
Ripple Current:   21 mA   
Maximum Operating Temperature:   + 85 C   
Diameter:   4 mm   
Length:   7 mm   
Lead Spacing:   2.5 mm   
Product:   General Purpose Electrolytic Capacitors   
Series:   KA   
Life:   1000 Hour

http://www2.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/ECE-A1EKA4R7I/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22ZGaUoI0JcRfdTrDCU52GX0%3d
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35v +1
Quantity: 1
{C35}
 Replaced with:
UPM1H010MDD1TD
Product Category:   Aluminum Electrolytic Capacitors - Leaded   
Manufacturer:   Nichicon   
Termination Style:   Radial   
Capacitance:   1 uF   
Voltage Rating DC:   50 VDC   
Tolerance:   20 %   
Maximum Operating Temperature:   + 105 C   
Diameter:   5 mm   
Length:   11 mm   
Lead Spacing:   2.5 mm   
Product:   Low Impedance Electrolytic Capacitors   


http://www2.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Nichicon/UPM1H010MDD1TD/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22YIVJhxS0f7qsXbizalBh%2f0%3d
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  500 MPD 35v
Quantity: 1
{ C36 }

Replaced with:
TVA1227
Product Category:   Aluminum Electrolytic Capacitors - Leaded   
Manufacturer:   Vishay   
RoHS:   No   
Termination Style:   Axial   
Capacitance:   500 uF   
Voltage Rating DC:   35 VDC   
Tolerance:   20 %   
Maximum Operating Temperature:   + 85 C   
Diameter:   11.125 mm   
Length:   38.1 mm   
Product:   General Purpose Electrolytic Capacitors
 
http://www2.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Vishay-Sprague/TVA1227/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22UzXQwAPJeqEkucVv7PIgQE%3d
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2uf - 25v
Quantity: 3
{ C1 C19 C33 }
Replaced with:
TN2R2K2ABK-0613P
Product Category:   Aluminum Electrolytic Capacitors - Leaded   
Manufacturer:   Lelon   
Termination Style:   Axial   
Capacitance:   2.2 uF   
Voltage Rating DC:   100 VDC   
Tolerance:   10 %   
Ripple Current:   27 mA   
Maximum Operating Temperature:   + 85 C   
Diameter:   6.3 mm   
Length:   13 mm   
Product:   Bi-Polar/Non-Polar Electrolytic Capacitors   
Series:   TN   
Life:   1000 Hour   
Brand:   Lelon   
Capacitance - nF:   2200 nF   
Dissipation Factor DF:   0.09

http://www2.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Lelon/TN2R2K2ABK-0613P/?qs=4ZuRpliPd6yPHIoLUQlHmg%3d%3d
 
 
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Re: Resurrection of Vintage A/DA Flanger
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Carumba, well many thanks to both of you  :thumb-up: Don't worry, MJMP does a good job putting up with all of us  :banana-upsidedown: :metal:
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Carumba, well many thanks to both of you  :thumb-up: Don't worry, MJMP does a good job putting up with all of us  :banana-upsidedown: :metal:

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 :thumb-up: Everything Installed and it has come back to life.  :headbanger:

 Good luck on your project.
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