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Re: Tubes for 3TM?
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and the same but with bugera at the front of the TADS
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Re: Tubes for 3TM?
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Hey Gang,

      For what it's worth, here's my 2 cents on it:
       I tried a pair of RI Mullards in my MP-1 Classic last year, and they fizzled out after 3 months. Not something I'll waste any more money on.
    I then called Doug's Tubes and ordered long plate JJ's for it, and it sounds decent, but I'm still looking for more bottom end and warmer low mids like I used to get with the GT 12AX7R-2's.
    In my 3TM, I ordered Ruby Tubes 12AX7/AC7 HG tubes, and they knock the 3TM out of the park! Pricey, but great tone, and still going.
   There are a lot of interesting tubes at Dougs that I'm going to be trying out, for example: Penta 12AX7's I put in my original MP-1. I'm still messing with that one, but they sound like they might also give me what I'm looking for in the Classic too.

Harley 8)
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Re: Tubes for 3TM?
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For all those who are interested

I managed to snare another bugera 12ax7b and I also bagged a 12ax7a.

I've only used a B model before and I know I like it in position 1.

According to Bugera A is actually for P1 and B is for P2.  Now I've only used B in P1  :lol:  just goes to show you there are no rules.  Their website does say they are good in any position, but the info from a tech guy said A for P1 and B for P2.

Anyways  I'll try A in place of B in P1 and see what I notice.  Also  I intend to put both of these in my stock MP1 in P1 and P2.  I like that 12AX7 b model so much though that I might experiment with it and my Rockmaster preamps and try them in those units in P1.  Currently I have an EHX in P1 of one rockmaster and the rest are th original chinese tubes.  Other Rockmaster has Groove Tubes as far as I know.

Hopefully get some time to test soon!
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Re: Tubes for 3TM?
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Hey Gang,

     Okay, I have to ask this since I am never sure about it. Which is the V1 position, towards the back of the preamp, or the front?

     Thanks,
   
      Harley 8)
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Towards the front.
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Re: Tubes for 3TM?
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Basically the one closest the input right MJMP?  That's normally how I guage it.

Oh holy shit!!  I have just realised I have been getting my v1 wrong all along with my MP1s :facepalm:

I've been calling the very last V postion v1 for months now lol  :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

well then in that case, swapping out a v3 in my 3tm with a bugera 12ax7 B makes a big f**king difference.
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Re: Tubes for 3TM?
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Hey RG or any of you's in the EURO zone. Check these out from RS in the UK.

http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/double-triode-valves/6784114/

The tube in the picture is from the Chinese Shuguang factory. I think thats a really good price for them, £4.34, Euro:6.03,  ($6.66) each.

I think I'll order up a few and give them a go. Also, I know that the TAD ones are also made by the Shuguang factory but I think they are made to a higher spec for TAD and tested. The TAD valves a very good I think.
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Cheers Rusty, I think for the money they're worth ago.  Apparently one of the TADS is just like the original tubes in the MP1s according to SC on here (look back through this thread for that).

Are they desirable the originals?  Well I dunno.  I know the tubes in my stock MP1 don't sound as good as the ones I'm gonna put in it.  But I also have two Peavey Rockmasters and they take 4 tubes so perhaps getting a truck load of those tubes you listed might do the trick.  You ordered any Rust?  Let me know what you think?

Looks like all my testing has gonna to pot on the tubes because I was getting my v1 and v3 tube positions wrong lol  so I've only really been testing v3 it seems (the nearest the back)
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Re: Tubes for 3TM?
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Hey RG, I'm gonna order a few up this week and give them a go so I'll post up my opinion as soon as I can. For that price it's worh it.

Cheers RG.
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Re: Tubes for 3TM?
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Yo folks,

The specific TAD I was referring to in this thread is their 12AX7A-C (TAD RT001 )
Here it is in one my MP1s in the V1 slot with a NOS Mullard (Blackburn) ECC83...yummie tone!


IIRC, the ones RG ordered were either the TAD RT003/030 or RT008/080 which is a different piece of glassware...

Another current production alternative (with a better price-tag as well) to the above mentioned RT001 is this Tube-Town 12AX7 Gold

My personal current production favorite (besides the Mullard RI Long-Plate) is the Tube-Town E83CC
I prefer the fact that these have a bit smoother top-end so I can work the amp´s Treble settings a bit better and thus adding a tad bit gain/od/dist without actually pumping up the OD/Gain settings...
These sound phenomenal and I like them in all my amps (ADA, Boogie, Engl)...they have a really "competitive" price-tag as well.


Disclaimer (cuz I was accused by other forum members in the past):
I am in no way affiliated or connected to neither TAD nor Tube-Town. That´s just and only stores/tube specialists over here in Germany where I tend to look first before ordering sth abroad or overseas.
Secondly: I can highly recommend the service, knowledge and customer care at Tube-Town (courtesy of Mr Dirk Munzinger). They have matched and selected Quartets and Octets of power tubes to specific amp specs (...Boogie, e.g. integrated set (4 Tung-Sol 6L6GC-STR + Tung-Sol EL34) that are awesome)
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Re: Tubes for 3TM?
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Hey SC I think  you are a TAD informer lol  :lol:  You really push those TADs in my face to the point I cannot decide for myself on what I should buy  :lol:

I joke of course.  Who would give a shit whether you were or not?  We could all say Richard is working for Mullard if that was the case  :facepalm:


Anyways SC what are those TAD RT001s like?  Give me some postives about em.  I get my shit from Thomann, well I got the Tads from them.  Got the Bugeras on ebay  :thumb-up:


Why hasn't any one mocked me for not knowing where v1 was?  I was waiting on some abuse  :???:
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Hey RG, be nice if I was working for Mullard, well it's New Sensor really, they bought the naming writes.  Well hey it's good the Bugera works well in V3, similar to SCs MP1 set up, TAD in front and Mullard to follow.  MikeB has his the other way around, Mullard short plate in V1 followed by Boogie SPAX7 in V2.
Having bought both my MP1 and MP2 new, the original tubes were fantastic.  I would say (after hearing a few others in them now) they were really well balanced for whatever you wanted to sound like.  But also from experience, I've found different tubes suet (exemplify) different music and playing styles (hence all out chatter about it  >:D ).
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Hey RG, be nice if I was working for Mullard, well it's New Sensor really, they bought the naming writes.  Well hey it's good the Bugera works well in V3, similar to SCs MP1 set up, TAD in front and Mullard to follow.  MikeB has his the other way around, Mullard short plate in V1 followed by Boogie SPAX7 in V2.
Having bought both my MP1 and MP2 new, the original tubes were fantastic.  I would say (after hearing a few others in them now) they were really well balanced for whatever you wanted to sound like.  But also from experience, I've found different tubes suet (exemplify) different music and playing styles (hence all out chatter about it  >:D ).

Richard, would you say then it would be worth buying tubes then that were close to the original mp1 style tubes?

And yes I will need to start experimenting with tubes all over again as I have had the v positions mixed up!!!  Bugera really makes it a beast in the last postion.  Will try em all over again since I have a few varieties now.
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Soon, just had a listen to your clips....I prefer the last one! To my ears (YMMV) that one has the "richest" sound to it.
Since it´s the TADs in V1, that´s the tube that sets the overall character. V2 and V3 just "amplify"/"distort" the initial signal by running it through their Triodes....

Some more about TAD/Tube-Town/Ruby/Groove Tubes....they all just re-label tubes that they are having produced for them by 3 major Tube factories..... New Sensor Corp. in Russia (Sovtek, EH, Tung-Sol, Mullard,...), Shuguang plant in China (Shuguang, TAD, Tube-Town, various....) and J/J Electronics in the Czech Rep.

- the TAD RT001 12AX7A-C is a Shuguang (best bits and pieces of variations A-C of the Chinese 12AX7)
- the TAD RT003/RT030 ECC83 Cz is a J/J
- the TAD RT008/RT080 12AX7 WA is basically the best bits and pieces of the 3 Sovtek 12AX7WA/WB/WC

All these vendors I mentioned above just have the factories do some minor modifications to the initial tube design and then get re-branded and special selected batches of these tubes.
Mass Amp manufacturers also buy their tube at these factories, either by the dozen (no special selection) or to closer selected specs (e.g. Boogie, Engl).
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Re: Tubes for 3TM?
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Here it is in one my MP1s in the V1 slot with a NOS Mullard (Blackburn) ECC83...yummie tone!


So just to clear this up, when looking from above the V1 actually goes in the right and the V2 in the left correct? So you jave the TAD in the V1 and the Mullard in the V2?
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