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Title: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on March 30, 2017, 12:29:34 AM
hey all,
just wondering how all with you deal with GAS?!!!!

it's income tax season so not spending any money and paying off taxes is on top of my list. Seems like every time when i shouldn't  be spending, good gear pops up.
every time when i do have cash to spend, there's nothing on the market locally.

for some reason, i am really wanting a 65amp and a friedman. my hobby is getting more expensive.

Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Harley Hexxe on March 30, 2017, 05:56:56 AM
Probably the gear pops up when you can't afford it because people are selling stuff to pay their taxes too!

   Friedman amps are nice, but very pricey, and I've been checking those out myself. But I won't get one, I know that already, and the reason? Because I can reproduce those same sounds with the ADA gear I have already.
   I have old tube Fender amps so I have all the clean sounds covered. My Classic can cover the Plexi tones that Friedman does, plus a lot of tones the Friedman can't do, and the MP-1, 3TM, and MP-2 can cover everything else.
   So...why would I want to plunk down $3500 for a head that would limit me to just a couple of sounds?  :dunno:
   I can't think of a reason.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Iperfungus on March 30, 2017, 03:34:16 PM
My last GAS attack was for 3 used DiMarzio DM2001 white pickup covers for one of my Strats.
5 euros well spent!  :banana:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rnolan on March 31, 2017, 12:11:55 AM
Hey Max, well 5 euros isn't that bad LoL...  Weren't you saving up for another 2 x 12 and a MP2  :dunno:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Iperfungus on March 31, 2017, 12:50:51 AM
Hey Max, well 5 euros isn't that bad LoL...  Weren't you saving up for another 2 x 12 and a MP2  :dunno:

 :lol: :lol: :lol:

I'm saving to send my MP-1 to MJMP for updates!  :banana: :banana: :banana:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on March 31, 2017, 11:36:12 PM
sometimes you just want more gear. great to have more options

the mp1 is an amazing piece. but it does have some things i don't like. limited eqing and picking feel. can't really get that more tight sound when gain is turned up

few days ago, i actually tried to run my mp1 like an OD pedal to the high input of my jcm 800.

man, it sounds pretty damn awesome. you can pretty much design your own OD voicing. OD1 and OD2 set around 2.6. Bass 0 mids 2 treble 2 presence 0



Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Systematic Chaos on April 01, 2017, 02:20:14 AM
...I was just about to type "cured"....but then - never say never ;-)

Nah, seriously. The only thing I´m GASing towards at the moment is awesome refrets as I´ve really come to appreciate good fret jobs as of lately. A decent fret job (even just a leveling) takes your std guitar to another level.
Having found a trustworthy luthier here in Tokyo, I have another 3 of my guitars in line for a refret.

Speaking of Tokyo and GAS...humongeous odds over here to find late 80s to mid 90s Ibanez RGs for dirt cheap. And that´s where I usually can´t resist.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rnolan on April 01, 2017, 03:12:17 AM
Mmm SC, doesn't sound like "cured" to me LoL, specially now you're in Ibby heaven  >:D :whoohoo!: . Nothing like a good fret job  :thumb-up: and those gold frets you've been getting into look awesome.

Hey Chamai, this is basically what ADA have done with the MP1 Channel (http://www.adaamps.com/Products/ada-MP1/MP1.htm) albeit with a few less options....  Does the JCM800 have an Fx retn ? that's another place you could plug your MP-1 into  >:D (or put it in the loop, though better the other way  :dunno: )

Hey GAS is something we all enjoy (in a world that sometimes.... :facepalm: ), as long as you don't go too crazy, then why not  :whoohoo!:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Dante on April 01, 2017, 05:53:39 PM
Chamai,

I tell myself two things all the time;

1. I don't need anything
2. Don't go shopping without money

Neither works particularly well, but I do remind myself often
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Zilthy on April 01, 2017, 07:23:41 PM
I buy it.  And then later wonder why I keep buying things, instead of putting it to my mortgage, retirement, etc.

Then I feel bad, but fortunately, I have found a resolution for that.  I look for more gear. :O

I have to admit, it may not be the most financially or emotionally sound way of dealing with it, but it is dealing with it.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Harley Hexxe on April 03, 2017, 04:55:25 AM
Okay, now I have a question on this subject;

    If you are in the position I'm in, and you want to record and mix yourself, but you don't have the tools to do so properly, and you start buying the things you need, is that still considered G.A.S.?

    I found myself wondering if G.A.S. is just a frivolous purchase, or does it apply to necessities? I'm curious to see how everyone else views this topic.

  Harley 8)
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rnolan on April 03, 2017, 05:45:31 AM
Salient point Harley, I suspect GAS is what it is for each of us (albeit a little different for each, but something we enjoy ?). Personally I relate well to your current situation, you want to record and mix yourself etc.  I spose sometimes GAS is a frivolous purchase (I know I've done that, but do I regret it mmm depends I spose). But to focus more on home recording, worst case is you make reasonable demos, best case is you can do a pretty good job these days with what's available.  I thought your recent purchase of the Focuswrite I/O is a really good foundation (IMHO you need good I/O and while the onboard chips are "ok"...).  When I started, I just used it (protools digi 001 > win98 PC) as a digital tape machine (and still do BTW LoL). I do All my monitoring and input from an external analogue desk (therefore no latency issues !!) and just like a studio.... add a behringer headphone amp for vox overdubs  :whoohoo!:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on April 03, 2017, 06:34:13 AM
latest GAS for me a Tokai Custom Edition strat which I am not actually happy with and am selling on (so was a total waste of a purchase  :facepalm:)

And today a new Ada MP1 that could be absolute garbarge, so fingers crossed it's in good shape.  I'm thinking of doing a MOD 4 mkII if it's not totaly piece of shit.  Paid £155 for it.  Not including postage.


GAS for me is buying stuff I do not really need.  I alkready own excessive amount of guitars.  I've been good for a long while now but I've had a lapse.  If I sell the few guitars I want rid off though it will work out my latest purchases will not be so bad then.  I try get stuff and then get rid of something else to have a balance if you understand me.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Soloist on April 03, 2017, 08:47:56 AM
I would have to agree with Gerry. G.A.S. is buying something that you want, not something you need. Right now I am eyeing another Jackson,  do I need it...no but I want it. :headbanger:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: MarshallJMP on April 03, 2017, 10:52:47 AM
I would have to agree with Gerry. G.A.S. is buying something that you want, not something you need. Right now I am eyeing another Jackson,  do I need it...no but I want it. :headbanger:

+1  :thumb-up:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Kim on April 03, 2017, 02:39:38 PM
I used to try to justify some GAS purchases by telling myself "I could always sell it later and get my money back."   Boy, what a laugh.  :amaze: Every single time that scenario comes up, I end up taking it in the shorts.  I can't even come close to breaking even; I just lose money in every deal all the f**king time and I'm sick of it.  So, I better really really really want something before I hit that Buy button.

I'm at a point now anyway where I really can't buy any more gear unless something else gets sold off to make room for it financially.  $25 here and there is fine but $100+ stuff has to go through my financial manager for approval.   ;)  The odds are 100 to 1 that my request is denied because there is always bills that need to be paid first.

The stuff I look at longingly without buying is mostly nostalgia stuff.  The first "shred" guitar I ever owned is on Reverb...the first Jackson guitar I owned.....my first tube amp......all for super stupid cheap prices, too.  But as much as I think about possibly getting those items again (just to have them for old time sake) I just can't afford to go around pulling the trigger on stuff like that.  I'm not a music store/warehouse.  And I don't want to keep hoarding shit just to have a backup for my backup's backup. 2 of anything will be plenty.

The stuff I have took a long time to get.  A little here, little there, sell this to put towards that, upgrade a little, move stuff around, buy something else to eventually sell to get ____   Right now (near future) I'm only looking to change that Volume pedal I have to one that doesn't take up quite so much space on a pedalboard like Morley's do.  (I see they have a new line of smaller footprint stuff now).  Then I just want to add the EHX C9 pedal to my pedalboard and that's it.  Other than that, my rack is absolutely awesome the way it is right now.  My speaker cabs and choice of drivers inside are perfect for me and for what I'm using them for.  I have never owned or played through a better sounding rig in my whole life. 

Now if I should play and somehow win a lottery.....then I'll start up a warehouse of music gear.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on April 04, 2017, 12:24:14 AM
I used to try to justify some GAS purchases by telling myself "I could always sell it later and get my money back."   Boy, what a laugh.  :amaze: Every single time that scenario comes up, I end up taking it in the shorts.  I can't even come close to breaking even; I just lose money in every deal all the f**king time and I'm sick of it.  So, I better really really really want something before I hit that Buy button.


True, I do the same and I'm guilty of the same thing.  But I do eventually shift something, so in the long run it balances out.  I used to have two Boss GT6 pedals and two Boss GT8's.  I got rid of them eventually but I had already started buying rack gear even though I still had those units.

I really shouldn't buy anything at all, no more guitars.   I need to shift two or three. Ok so I bought another MP1 yesterday (my other one still has that humming problem) so I got that to act as substitute whilst I get the other one looked at.  So kinda excessive but also slightly practical in a small way.

Once I finish this album I'll get all the gear that needs modified and repaired sorted but right now I don't have time to open these things up and fiddle about for hours in the evening, it's all work during the day, album work at night.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Harley Hexxe on April 04, 2017, 06:05:19 AM
So.... it seems popular opinion agrees that G.A.S. is more about buying things we don't really need as opposed to buying the tools we have to have to get the job done.

   In my case, where I'm currently dropping a fair amount of cash into the gear I feel I need to cover all my recording criteria, I guess that wouldn't exactly be considered G.A.S. I have recently discovered that the computer desk I've been using is no longer going to work as far as mixing goes, and I've resolved to replace it with something more suitable to the task.
   I looked into studio work stations and producer stations, but either the affordable ones are too small, or not practically designed, and the larger ones are WAYYYYY too expensive, and out of the question. So I shopped around online and found a 60"x 24" Credenza styled desk for around $100, Two 8U studio racks for $104 each, and isolation stands for the studio monitors at around $109 each, and an articulating Keyboard/mouse tray for around $80. So for under $600, I can put together a workstation that I can expand on later if I want to, that is set up exactly as I want it to be. That's $200 under the closest thing I could find online that is prefabricated for such a purpose.
   I'm also looking at a cheap 5-string bass guitar that I'll need to lay down some bass tracks with, so I don't consider that G.A.S. either.
   What I would consider to be G.A.S. would be my desire to buy an old Fender Stratocaster Elite, like the ones I used to own. I had two of them, but sold them to get into the Ibanez Jem guitars, which I eventually got tired of, and got rid of. but I have always regretted selling the Elites. No other Strat could get the sounds that those could, and I couldn't help but notice how I seem to try to do that with the Strats I have now. Don't get me wrong, each one I have sounds great in it's own right, but nothing like the Elites. I've been watching them come up on ebay, and have come close to pulling the trigger a couple of times, but I held back. Right now, there is a sunburst one that is exactly like one that I used to have, but he's asking about $500 too much for it. Maybe because he's in Canada. However, one of these days, one of those is going to come up for sale, and G.A.S. is going to take over...and you guys know the rest.
    For right now, I'm going to make do with what I have, but I can't help but wonder how the Elite will sound through the Classic, since it makes my current Strats sound great.

   Just sharing a few thoughts here...
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on April 04, 2017, 06:09:26 AM
Well I might add that for me GAS is also the urge to keep buying stuff.  Not just the actual act, it's the urge to keep wanting more and more stuff beyond my actual needs.  Hands up who is like me?   :crazy:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Harley Hexxe on April 04, 2017, 06:20:10 AM
I'll be the first to admit I always have the urge to buy stuff, I'm just getting better about not pulling the trigger.

Focusing on my recording gear right now is where my money is going.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Zilthy on April 04, 2017, 07:59:09 AM
My most recent experience of GAS was getting a digital piano.  I do not consider that GAS, as I did actually need one to be able to learn and play the classical music I am working on.  I suppose a case could be made that is was GAS because I already did have a couple of keyboards, but neither one had some capabilities that are required. (No partial sustain, no soft pedal, no sostanudo pedal, no escapement, and a few other things).

After having it for 3 weeks, trading it in (full price) to upgrade to the top of the line model (Which had the exact same keyboard, sound engine, pedals, etc) but had bigger, better speakers and was shiny, now that was GAS.

Now I just need to stop looking at pianos that cost more than my car.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: MarshallJMP on April 04, 2017, 10:09:30 AM
Nice !
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on April 06, 2017, 08:04:42 PM
For me, i GAS amps. i don't really need anymore amps. jcm 800, adamp1 . 2 amps that i will never sell.

but i gas high quality fx units big time. scored a pcm81 few months ago. i was going to order my fulltone 80's chorus. but few things set me back a bit. so i am ordering it next friday. My wife is asking me do i really need to spend 1200 bucks on a chorus effect. i said YES,

i told myself if i see any amps i like, i will pass. even if it's a crazy deal. i need to complete my 80's rig. i am missing 2 mono delays and 2 more cabs. and i am pretty much done. switchers and mixers can come later. parametric eq will come last.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: MarshallJMP on April 07, 2017, 03:45:08 AM
1200 bucks wow that's a lot of GAS  ;D
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Harley Hexxe on April 07, 2017, 05:56:28 AM
The only Chorus I would spend that much on would be the TC Electronic 1210. It's the only one worth it IMHO
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on April 07, 2017, 08:08:39 AM
My third MP1 arrived today, lets hope it's in good working order!!!  You can never tell with these things on ebay anymore, particularly with vague sellers who don't actually know anything about said unit they are selling.

Anyways, that's my GAS for this month, no need for this and basically I should have fixed my MDRT version as opposed to just buying another one.  I wil get round to fixing the other one, then perhaps modify the one I bought today to Mod 4 MKII.  May be  8)
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: MarshallJMP on April 07, 2017, 08:34:38 AM
Hey G, keep us updated how it goes with the MP-1!
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on April 08, 2017, 01:06:11 AM
1200 bucks wow that's a lot of GAS  ;D

tried many different chorus pedals. nothing really wowed me. i know this is exactly what i need.  there are also a few HH powers amps on my local craigslist.. gassing hardddd.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on April 09, 2017, 01:12:23 PM
made a video using the new MP1. Seems in good shape and sounds great to my ears.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABb-Ipy8Efo
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rnolan on April 10, 2017, 01:19:21 AM
Hey RG, sounds good so far, nice playing BTW  :thumb-up:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: MarshallJMP on April 10, 2017, 12:08:46 PM
Yeah has a real plexi sound to me. BTW where the hell did you get that Satan T shirt ????
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on April 10, 2017, 12:43:02 PM
That's good then right  :???:  :)  This is that MP1 I bought from England last week.

That is a preset on the eprom v1.38 number 19 I believe only I added more gain on OD1 to about 4.2 and then I've an OD boost in front and a bit of low end EQ from my FX unit to compensate some of the bass that disappears once the boost is on.

I got the Satan tshirt from a seller in Germany about 5-6 years ago.  However you can get the same one from them  :thumb-up:  https://www.satanmusic.com/?page_id=864 (https://www.satanmusic.com/?page_id=864)

they have a few new designs that I must buy myself so busting my f**king ASS trying to an album.  I am getting really tired recording shit over and over again!

Thanks Richard for the kind words.  I ended up not using that take as the hall reverb did not work!  The room reverb does for some reason even though the snare has a hall verb on it  :dunno:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Kim on April 10, 2017, 05:37:11 PM
made a video using the new MP1. Seems in good shape and sounds great to my ears.

That did sound pretty good there.   :thumb-up:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on April 10, 2017, 10:32:38 PM
well gas just hit me again

rivera m100 head for 375 bucks..
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on April 11, 2017, 12:44:50 AM
Thanks Kim.  I got that tone within about 2mins of unboxing the MP1.  I reset the MP1 to load all the presets before I began editing.  Then flicked through them all until I heard number 19.  It sounded good to me straight away, but I tweaked if further by adding the extra gain on OD1 and then raunched it up more with a boost from my boss GT5.  Sounded the shit to me!  That and a little low end DB on an EQ and I was ready to rock.

Chamai,

you must own all the quintessential  heads by now?

I should probably quit buying preamps now, I've two Rockmasters, three MP1s, one Hafler H2.  That's enough surely?  Bu then we're talking about GAS here so you never know!
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rnolan on April 11, 2017, 03:27:49 AM
Hey RG, I've found chamber reverbs work well on guitar, like you I haven't liked hall verbs on guitar much but they work ok for snare. Another trick is to tune the reverb time to a product of the song speed (as with delays) so turn the beats per minute into milliseconds and decide how long you want the delay/verb times to be.  This isn't so practical live (as you tend to speed up a bit) but for recording and mixing tightens up the track and helps align the (all important) silence/spaces.  BTW you need to get a MP-2 before you can stop with the preamps LoL  >:D

Chamai, you promised to leave the heads alone  :nono: LoL (why did I know that wouldn't happen  O:-) :lol: )
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Harley Hexxe on April 11, 2017, 05:53:41 AM
Hey RG, I've found chamber reverbs work well on guitar, like you I haven't liked hall verbs on guitar much but they work ok for snare. Another trick is to tune the reverb time to a product of the song speed (as with delays) so turn the beats per minute into milliseconds and decide how long you want the delay/verb times to be.  This isn't so practical live (as you tend to speed up a bit) but for recording and mixing tightens up the track and helps align the (all important) silence/spaces.


If I might interject on this subject for a minute, I may be able to offer some advice on using a Hall Reverb on guitar. The only way I like those types of reverb on a guitar is if it is mixed with delay or echo. I've used a preset for decades now like this: Large Hall Reverb @ 15% wet, Delay,(360-420 ms) @ 25% wet, with Stereo Imaging Wide, (optional).

   The reverb adds a depth and dimension to the delay that really works well with guitars for both rhythm and leads. Hall reverb doesn't do it for me by itself. I worked this preset out years ago on my old Digitech DSP 128, and later reproduced it on my Lexicons. (Much more pristine on the Lexicon). I also have another variation of this that uses a stereo Phaser after the delay, set for a slow sweep. This one takes the echoes for one hellofaride through the air.
   For just guitar with reverb, I like spring reverbs, and plate reverbs. Very different, but both very usable.

Harley 8)
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on April 11, 2017, 10:39:55 AM
You know what guys. I stopped myself. I didn't get it. :waving-banana-smiley-emoticon proud day for me
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Zilthy on April 11, 2017, 06:04:41 PM
Hey RG, I've found chamber reverbs work well on guitar, like you I haven't liked hall verbs on guitar much but they work ok for snare. Another trick is to tune the reverb time to a product of the song speed (as with delays) so turn the beats per minute into milliseconds and decide how long you want the delay/verb times to be.  This isn't so practical live (as you tend to speed up a bit) but for recording and mixing tightens up the track and helps align the (all important) silence/spaces.


If I might interject on this subject for a minute, I may be able to offer some advice on using a Hall Reverb on guitar. The only way I like those types of reverb on a guitar is if it is mixed with delay or echo. I've used a preset for decades now like this: Large Hall Reverb @ 15% wet, Delay,(360-420 ms) @ 25% wet, with Stereo Imaging Wide, (optional).

Harley 8)

Wow.  I mix my signals pretty dry then.  I rarely if ever use reverb any more, and typically tempo sync the delay (tap tempo FTW there!) and only mix about 12 - 15% for rhythm, and 18 - 20% for lead.  Except recording, I'll bump up delay a little more on the lead, and any reverb is generally only there if I have a master reverb setup and bus to that.

As far as GAS goes, I had thought the $1500 upgrade to a prettier piano would do me in.  Nope.  New recording interface.  Piano VSTs.  Sheet music.  I need to stop.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on April 12, 2017, 01:46:32 AM
Eventually my GAS does give way to cost and practicality which I guess is good so I don't go broke.  I've never bought any one piece of music equipment that cost $1500  (£1199.70).

My most expensive music purchase was probably a guitar or amp at about £500 ($625.16).

I dunno if this says a lot about me or not  :o

As for reverb, heap it on I say, so long as it's fitting and suited.  I'm bored to death with dry production on records personally (as some of you already know  ;))
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rnolan on April 12, 2017, 03:50:39 AM
Go Zilthy  :whoohoo!: .

I always run fxs via a mixer on 2 sends, return down 2 channels so the dry/wet mix in the unit is 100% wet and I adjust the return faders to what sounds how I want. Within the Fx (which is predominantly a stereo delay followed by reverb) I adjust the amount of delay that feeds into the reverb, just a bit not too much. Actually, my current favourite is the "For Guitar" patch in my TC MOne in the studio rig.  It's again just a delay/reverb combo and I haven't checked what the settings are (I will at some point), it's just a really nice balance for guitar (I've found) and also great on bass.  I also feed the vocals at rehearsals through my hybrid MB1 bass rig > (B200s > 2 x Mesa P112s) and the same fx patch works well for them also.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Zilthy on April 13, 2017, 03:00:25 PM
Darn it.  Now I would like another guitar.

When I first started playing, I really wanted a Jackson.  I have never actually gotten the one that I wanted, I may have to treat myself to on.

Red Jackson, Reverse Headstock, Floyd, Duncan pickups, Sharkfin inlays....

I found one that's close, love the paint job, but missing the inlays.  *sigh*

I thought about getting it, but not going to settle.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Iperfungus on April 13, 2017, 03:07:22 PM
Darn it.  Now I would like another guitar.

When I first started playing, I really wanted a Jackson.  I have never actually gotten the one that I wanted, I may have to treat myself to on.

Red Jackson, Reverse Headstock, Floyd, Duncan pickups, Sharkfin inlays....

I found one that's close, love the paint job, but missing the inlays.  *sigh*

I thought about getting it, but not going to settle.

DO IT!!!  :headbanger: :headbanger: :headbanger:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Soloist on April 13, 2017, 06:02:10 PM
Oh man Zilthy, I have always had a weakness for Jacksons :headbanger:
Don't waste your time on the cheaper Dinky models (they sound like shit :poop:). I love my Dinky Pro, probably my favorite, it doesnt have the shark fin inlays but has everything else. My Soloist has those inlays! :thumb-up:
I'm not to crazy about the newer style headstock, they look kinda diamond shaped. :dunno: Also not impressed with the new piranha tooth inlays. The shark fins look way better. :metal:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on April 13, 2017, 10:03:26 PM
ok guys.

Fulltone that 80's rack chorus ordered!!!

should be here in roughly 2 weeks!!!  :headbanger:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on April 14, 2017, 12:20:00 AM
My girlfriends brother got a guitar at Christmas, and it was a Jackson.  Nice red colour.  I believe it is one of the budget models but no idea if it's a dinky (I dunno what dinky is BTW).  I think it sounded fine if I am honest about it despite not being a fan of them or Ibanez.

Just did a quick internet search,  it was a dinky he got.

http://www.richtonemusic.co.uk/products/jackson_js_11_dinky_22_fret-_metallic_red.asp (http://www.richtonemusic.co.uk/products/jackson_js_11_dinky_22_fret-_metallic_red.asp)
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Soloist on April 14, 2017, 08:37:04 AM
Hey Gerry, if you get a chance play on a better Jackson. Night and day difference! Looks like they have upgraded the pickups on them. I believe those are a Duncan Designed ceramic pickup. They have to be better than the cheap ass Jackson pickups that they were putting in them.
In the last year or so they have been changing some things up, now most of the Soloist models have active EMG's in them. Where as before 1/2 did and 1/2 came with passive Duncans.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on April 14, 2017, 12:39:53 PM
Hey Soloist,

you mean that little red one my GF's brother got is loaded with Duncan designed pups?  That's good to know.  I think it's fallin victim to the curse of  "guitar for christmas syndrome".  I'll let you all work that out yourselves.  But that's a shame as it's a good guitar.

As for me, those Jacksons just aint me although I believe you they're different.  You should know by now though I play cheaper axes anyway (well mostly apart from some of the vintage models and westone I own) so who knows, I might prefer the basswood dinky than the full on alder one  :crazy:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rnolan on April 20, 2017, 02:51:20 AM
Two Jacksons I recollect (though IIRC they were Chavel-Jacksons back then ??)
A red maple neck strat my mate had, it had a floyd style lock nut but standard strat bridge, impossible to keep in tune so he used it without the lock nuts (not great for string break over the nut  :facepalm: )
Then later another mate bought a black super strat style one with a floyd etc. It was a nice guitar, but the peghead snapped (can't remember how, hey it was the 80s), so I repaired it for him (couple of rosewood cleats and bobs your uncle). I do recall it was much easier to do the routing for the cleats than on a Gibson (which are notorious for snapping pegheads (because of the stupid way they make their necks  :facepalm: )) as the peghead angle is much shallower.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on April 20, 2017, 09:04:18 AM
Hey my friends. Someone selling a pcm41 . He wanted me to offer a price. Anyone have an idea how much these things go for?
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Soloist on April 20, 2017, 09:43:04 AM
Hey Chamai, those units go used for $275 - $375 US. If that helps you any. :thumb-up:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Zilthy on April 20, 2017, 03:17:00 PM
I have now gone four weeks without upgrading or buying a new piano. GAS cured.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: MarshallJMP on April 20, 2017, 03:44:12 PM
I have now gone four weeks without upgrading or buying a new piano. GAS cured.

Keep it up Zilthy  :thumb-up:   ;D
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on April 20, 2017, 05:31:30 PM
Hey Chamai, those units go used for $275 - $375 US. If that helps you any. :thumb-up:

Thank you my friend.
Seems a little high since I need to buy 2 of them. Might as well save a bit more for. 2290
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Zilthy on April 22, 2017, 03:56:04 PM
I have now gone four weeks without upgrading or buying a new piano. GAS cured.

Keep it up Zilthy  :thumb-up:   ;D

*doh* Stupid Amazon and their selling of Sennheiser HD800 S headphones.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chip Roberts on April 22, 2017, 04:44:30 PM
Currently stalking about eBay for a Roland GP8.  Anyone have experience with this?  Probably won't end up buying one, as I'm happy with my Midiverb II and the built-in chorus on the MP1 gives me exactly what I need, but these late 80s rack processors are just so sexy...
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rnolan on April 22, 2017, 07:44:00 PM
I haven't used a GP8, I did have a MVII briefly as it came with another unit I bought.  I liked that it was reasonably simple, but my original QV sounds better IMO.  I also have a MV4 which sounds better than the MVII but I've never really explored it.  In my studio rack I have a TC MOne which sounds very nice.  There's a plethora of nice units to pick from.. some get a good mention around here.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on April 24, 2017, 01:36:45 AM
Currently stalking about eBay for a Roland GP8.  Anyone have experience with this?  Probably won't end up buying one, as I'm happy with my Midiverb II and the built-in chorus on the MP1 gives me exactly what I need, but these late 80s rack processors are just so sexy...

is awesome to see how these rack processors go for less then 100 bucks these days where as in the 80's they cost almost 1000 a piece.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chip Roberts on April 24, 2017, 08:40:59 AM
I've read about a lot of people on here boosting their MP1s, so the GP8 seems appealing for the distortion and OD options available.  My guitar teacher uses one into a RedBear head; his tone isn't the best, but I think with a proper tube preamp it could really cook for me.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rnolan on April 24, 2017, 08:46:05 PM
Hey Chip, my preference is nothing in front (but that's me), I find the tones and distortion in the MP-1/2 just dandy.  Other members like to run some additional boost up front for various reasons.

BTW nice collection of guitars  :thumb-up: , maybe post some pics in the guitar thread(s) so we can all ogle them  >:D
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chip Roberts on April 25, 2017, 10:31:58 AM
Oh, most definitely!  In truth, they're all mutt guitars built from the parts of non-Gibsons  :-[  It's much easier to SAY they're Gibsons rather then explain everything  :dunno: My dad's retired and into luthiering, so he builds all kinds of guitars as a hobby - lucky me!
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rnolan on April 26, 2017, 06:06:38 AM
 :whoohoo!: enjoy and post pics  :thumb-up:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on May 03, 2017, 12:38:41 AM
GUYS!!! IT'S HERE!!!

can someone kindly advise me the best rack screws to prevent rashes and crap.

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g301/Chamaimeow/IMG_20170502_233659401_zps4raxtwok.jpg) (http://s59.photobucket.com/user/Chamaimeow/media/IMG_20170502_233659401_zps4raxtwok.jpg.html)

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g301/Chamaimeow/455e9a30-f3b1-4b71-8d6a-376b822b7355_zpsrw4as0fu.jpg) (http://s59.photobucket.com/user/Chamaimeow/media/455e9a30-f3b1-4b71-8d6a-376b822b7355_zpsrw4as0fu.jpg.html)
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: MarshallJMP on May 03, 2017, 03:10:01 AM
Checked it out and this thing sounds awesome, but so does the pricetag  :amaze:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rnolan on May 03, 2017, 04:45:32 AM
He Chamai, very cool  :whoohoo!: :thumb-up: , with the screws you'll need to use whatever your rack needs (proprietary eg SKB or just standard rack cage nuts and bolts ??) But if you can, get the thicker plastic/nylon ?? washers (whitish ones) that fit.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Soloist on May 03, 2017, 06:57:23 AM
Very nice Chamai! I have been eyeing that chorus for a while now. Just can't get past the price tag on it.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Harley Hexxe on May 03, 2017, 05:28:50 PM
Hey Chamai,

    Nice chorus! I haven't looked at the price tag, but since it's Fulltone, I know it isn't cheap. I use my S-1000's for my chorus, and it's definitely 80's!

    Here you go for rack screws, these should do it for you.
https://www.amazon.com/Gator-Cases-GRW-SCRW025-Rack-Screws/dp/B00YHPFG9O/ref=pd_sim_267_7?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00YHPFG9O&pd_rd_r=8FNWYV9FPGWPAFJ1BGMD&pd_rd_w=vaETZ&pd_rd_wg=qHfYW&psc=1&refRID=8FNWYV9FPGWPAFJ1BGMD
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on May 04, 2017, 01:03:02 AM
most money ive ever spent on a single effect. didn't have a chance to set it up yet. trying to find a time to blend it with my other gear so my wife won't find out. my plan is to tell her that i am taking a few fx units out of the storage locker to experiment a bit.

i don't have my rocktron 1x12 cabs with me so i can only do a wet/dry setup for now.

i was doing some research on screws. anyone have experience with middle atlantic shoulder washers? their screws seem pretty high quality too. seems like these won't allow the any metal contact between the screws and gear. so no rack rash.

i don't think i will be able to get anymore gear in awhile. but for the right pieces, i may even trade my dual rec and cab for them. need to get a bigger rack. here is my plan

power conditioner (upgrading to a furman with a voltage regulator)
korg pitch black tuner
Reverb- Lexicon PCM 81
Delay 1/ pitch shifter- eventide eclipse (next next purchase) using G Major for now
Delay 2 - TC 2290 for the right price or 2x PCM 41
Chorus- Fulltone TERC
ADA MP1  to 84' JCM800
ADA MP1  to VOX AC30
or
JCM 800 for dirt
VOX AC30 for cleans (last thing on my list)
EL34 bass for slaving to switch between both amps
Mosvalve power amp for wet cabs. (may replace with a HH power amp)
a bunch Custom audio stuff so i can change patches and amps.
CAE line mixer (next to buy)
Parametric rack eq
some kind of compressor or distressor
maybe some matching marshall cabs. hate my orange cab. it looks stupid
i still have a long way to go

prob take me a few years to complete this. but so far i am making progress. just not making enough money.







Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rnolan on May 04, 2017, 01:51:39 AM
Hey Chamai, pretty interesting wish list and good plan  :thumb-up: , may be a bit hard to sneak all that gear past you wife though LoL
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: van Sinn on May 04, 2017, 02:20:59 AM
Well, I didn't deal with it at all; I just spend based on cravings, though eying mostly used or demo gear, thus keeping expenses at bay to some degree.

Had I done a more careful financial planning calendar, no doubt I would've bought less.
And seriously, two fewer guitars and a capo would've saved saved good money ;)
As would 3-4 fewer processors..

Man, I should've had a girlfriend: Less gear and more BJ's! :facepalm: :lol:
Oh well.. that would likely have required even more expensive rings and stuff, so.. :dunno:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: MarshallJMP on May 04, 2017, 08:35:40 AM
There's alot on your list I want too, like a PCM81 and a TC2290. >:D
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on May 04, 2017, 10:59:47 PM
Hey Chamai, pretty interesting wish list and good plan  :thumb-up: , may be a bit hard to sneak all that gear past you wife though LoL

thank you sir

the chorus is the most important piece. i will be more honest with her for my future purchases. shitty part is lots of good pieces are coming up on craigslist. mesa strategy 400, eventide h3000 just came up. but i think the display is a little messed up.

honestly, i am not picky about delays and pitch shifters. i can live with my g major. since im building my final rack, i might as well buy the best and i want something really similar to what people used in the 80's. that low sample rate on those pcm 41 sound really good. modern fx's are power. but too clean and realistic sounding imo. it kinda lacks character.

since i sometimes use my jcm 800 instead of my MP1, im building a secondary rack just for the OD and boost pedals. instead of the vox, i may go for a bassman
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on May 04, 2017, 11:16:39 PM
Well, I didn't deal with it at all; I just spend based on cravings, though eying mostly used or demo gear, thus keeping expenses at bay to some degree.

Had I done a more careful financial planning calendar, no doubt I would've bought less.
And seriously, two fewer guitars and a capo would've saved saved good money ;)
As would 3-4 fewer processors..

Man, I should've had a girlfriend: Less gear and more BJ's! :facepalm: :lol:
Oh well.. that would likely have required even more expensive rings and stuff, so.. :dunno:

i made a few mistakes in the past buying useless shit.

when i first got into guitar. i bought a small JCM 900 DR combo. few days later i found a MKIII 2x12. i didn't know shit back then so i took the DR instead. took me another 2 years to find another MKIII. i thought it sounded ok. then i wanted a better guitar. so i bought a american tele. i got some decent tones.
wanted more gain, so i bought an eq pedal and then a mxr chorus.

at that point. i started to get hooked on buying gear. got a 4x10 marshall cab. sounded good for the first day but it was too dark sounding. bought myself a 2x12 mesa cab. got some great tones and i knew i had to get an attenuator.

realized my tone was too modern. so i googled " hair metal amps" and the MP1 and JCM 800 popped up.
typed in ADA MP1 on craigslist, and found one for 250 bucks. bought it and sounded like shit coz i had no idea how to set it up. 3 weeks later, bought a spare mp1 and a digitech dps 21 pro and a mosvalve. i thought i was in hair metal heaven for few days. and after plugging my jcm 900 dr again, my mp1 sounded weak, so i ditched the mp1 for a bit.

traded my 4x10 cab and added 175 for a jcm 2000. i thought it was a cool amp for a bit. turns out i hate it. picked up a vintage modern while i was on vacation for 650 bucks. sounded good for a few days and it sucked again. some dude offered me a mesa dual rec for my vintage modern straight trade. i said sure. ripped himself off big time. some how local store blowing out new 2x12 orange cabs half price so i bought one. great cab.

i had no use for a dual rec. so gas came in and i bought a mesa stiletto 2x12 for 900 bucks. realized how much i loved el 34's and hated everything else. it was cool for a while, but it was too icepicky and modern sounding still.

someone wanted my jcm2000 for his mkiii. f*ck yea and swapped the speakers from the mkiii to my orange cab. g12t75 rock

traded my jcm900 for a sick keyboard. i am keys player. 26 years of playing.

found a jcm 800 1 watt at a store. bought it. thought it was pretty sweet. 10 days later walked in again. some dude trading in a mint 84 jcm 800. i asked the store if i could return the 1 watter and take the jcm 800 100 watter. they said sure. i was low on cash so i got rid of my stiletto.

now i got the 800. and mp1. together this setup rocks. tried different boost pedals. bought a few to boost my jcm.

oh f*ck, no fx loop on jcm. lets go w.d.w

holy shit, its great. decide to all out and bought a pcm 81 just for reverbs.

now the terc

this is my life story.


Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on May 04, 2017, 11:19:04 PM
There's alot on your list I want too, like a PCM81 and a TC2290. >:D

seriously my friend, the pcm 81 is insane. i read the instruction manual and i have no idea wtf they were talking about. i am still using stock presets. the reverbs are to die for.
with all the fx's i am running. it makes the guitar sounded too refined sometimes. sounds like it's coming from a CD recording. so for live use, it may get lost in the mix.

really want a tc2290 but its jsut too damn expensive.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on May 05, 2017, 02:19:46 AM

it's coming along. hopefully wife won't notice.

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g301/Chamaimeow/IMG_20170505_010054444_zpsvoig9wbx.jpg) (http://s59.photobucket.com/user/Chamaimeow/media/IMG_20170505_010054444_zpsvoig9wbx.jpg.html)
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Harley Hexxe on May 05, 2017, 08:12:30 AM
Hey Chamai,

    If it;s the reverb you are going for, then you want the PCM 91, which is a slightly augmented version of the PCM 90. The PCM 80, and PCM 81 are basically the modern updates of the PCM 70.
   The PCM 70 featured a few reverb settings but it was mostly a multi-effects signal processor that has chorus, flange, delay simulated stereo imaging, phasing, and compression effects.

   These were great studio processors, but in a live guitar rack it was pretty much limited to only a few useful effects combinations. There is only a mono input and dual mono outputs on the PCM 70.
    The PCM 80 has all the original PCM 70 effects chains plus a few more, and features a dual processor engine, so now you can have a stereo input and stereo outputs as well. Still. the reverbs are limited to the same few that were in the PCM 70. This is why the PCM 80, and PCM 90 were released at the same time. One was a multi-effects processor, while the other was a reverb processor.

Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: MarshallJMP on May 05, 2017, 10:14:10 AM
Well Chamai you are right about those 2290's they stay quite expensive.(around 1000 euro's over here).

Harley, how would you compare the reverbs from the PCM series to the MPX-1?
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on May 05, 2017, 02:24:57 PM
Accidentally bought a furman this week and I accidentally  :lol:

won a Kitty Hawk Quattro on ebay for £112 complete with footswitch

 :facepalm:

GAS
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chip Roberts on May 05, 2017, 02:33:53 PM
If I recall the quote from Reb Beach correctly; Kitty Hawk made one great rackmount, and everything else was shit, yielding the pet-name "Shitty Hawk" from the Winger road crew   :lol:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Harley Hexxe on May 05, 2017, 05:13:49 PM
Hey MJMP,

    The MPX series was released at the same time as the PCM 80/90, and it was the successor to the LPX series processors. In the 90's after Harman Group bought Lexicon, they went with dual processor engines in all the rackmount effects which used one processor for the reverb effects and the other for the modulation and time based effects.
    The result was more transparent effects than in the earlier versions. The reverb effects in the MPX-1 are basically the same as the PCM-80, the only differences are the arrangements of some of the effects chains in the PCM-80. The MPX has a smaller DSP engine for the modulation/time-based effects, and what you have in the MPX is all you have to work with.
   The PCM series at that time featured something new which was the addition of the memory card slot on the front panel. The PCM has a bigger DSP processor which gave the PCM-80 longer delay times, and the ability to split the delays into two separate channels in the effects chains, and the ability to parallel the modulation and time effects with the reverb effects, and send each to separate outputs from the PCM.
   The memory cards were intended to offer upgrades to the PCM models instead of having to swap IC chips on the boards, as well as new effects groups for the PCM series, but I never saw more than two new memory cards for the PCM-80/90 back then before the models were upgraded to the 81/91 models, then discontinued.
    Personally, I wanted the reverb effects from the Lexicons so I went with the MPX which was $1500 cheaper than the PCM 80 at the time. IIRC, when I auditioned both units in the shop, I liked the factory presets better in the MPX-1 than in the PCM-80 as far as the reverb effects were concerned. They sounded more like they were set up to just add to my effects chain and just go, whereas the PCM-80 factory presets sounded like they needed to be edited before they could be practical in the effects chain. One thing I  always do when I'm shopping for a new effects processor, is to try and edit or modify a program there in the store, to see how easy it is to do, and I wasn't getting anywhere with the PCM-80. None of the sales people knew how to get into it either, and they brought out the manual which I thought was an encyclopedia book. So obviously, I went with the MPX.

Harley
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on May 05, 2017, 11:18:52 PM
Hey Chamai,

    If it;s the reverb you are going for, then you want the PCM 91, which is a slightly augmented version of the PCM 90. The PCM 80, and PCM 81 are basically the modern updates of the PCM 70.
   The PCM 70 featured a few reverb settings but it was mostly a multi-effects signal processor that has chorus, flange, delay simulated stereo imaging, phasing, and compression effects.

   These were great studio processors, but in a live guitar rack it was pretty much limited to only a few useful effects combinations. There is only a mono input and dual mono outputs on the PCM 70.
    The PCM 80 has all the original PCM 70 effects chains plus a few more, and features a dual processor engine, so now you can have a stereo input and stereo outputs as well. Still. the reverbs are limited to the same few that were in the PCM 70. This is why the PCM 80, and PCM 90 were released at the same time. One was a multi-effects processor, while the other was a reverb processor.

thanks for the write up.
i bought the pcm 81 because it was the only one at our local chain music store. i have not seen these units on craigslist or at any store before. i mean these things go for quite a bit of money so finding one locally is a bit hard. i was just browsing the used section of our local chain music store and toronto store just put up a pcm81. i did some research and decide to buy it blindly. it's a bitch to program

i gonna try to get a 80's shimmer patch going. apparently someone on HRI mastered programming these units. that person has a website so i will prob pay him for his patches. this thing makes no sense. or im just fxcking stupid.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on May 05, 2017, 11:23:41 PM
Well Chamai you are right about those 2290's they stay quite expensive.(around 1000 euro's over here).

Harley, how would you compare the reverbs from the PCM series to the MPX-1?

i don't think they are true stereo too. prob have to buy 2? ahaha

these things can crap out anytime and no one can fix it.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Soloist on May 05, 2017, 11:50:53 PM
I had an MPX1 for a while, the reverbs on it were very tasty! Unfortunately  I felt it lacked on everything else, and it wasn't very user friendly.
On the 2290, man I would love one of those! I see them going for $800 -$1000 here in the States.
 
Some others on my wish list :
Roland Dimension D.
Mesa Triaxis
JCM 800
TC G-System
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on May 06, 2017, 02:06:55 AM
If I recall the quote from Reb Beach correctly; Kitty Hawk made one great rackmount, and everything else was shit, yielding the pet-name "Shitty Hawk" from the Winger road crew   :lol:

I haven't read that they made one great rack mount, but I have heard the name "shitty hawk" before due to reliability issues not sound quality.

But I've read quit a bit about the Quattro and Testarossa being good preamps.  Also about a few of their amps being good as well.  Since I'm not into amps I've been on the lookout for a Quattro for a while.  Reb Beach and Winger is not a selling point for me  :lol:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Harley Hexxe on May 06, 2017, 02:21:07 PM
Hey Chamai,

   Don't feel bad dude! Lexicon has always been one of the more complicated programmable units to understand, and even though I have enough knowledge about them to eventually figure out how to get what I want out of them, I still don't understand how they do things completely.
    I never looked at the PCM 81 so I don't know what they added to the PCM 80. As I said in my last post, I wanted to try a bit of editing in the PCM 80 in the store, but no one knew anything about it there. The Lexicon designers who came up with the programming in these units might have been drinking mushroom tea when they designed it :dunno:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: MarshallJMP on May 06, 2017, 03:43:31 PM
Well Chamai you are right about those 2290's they stay quite expensive.(around 1000 euro's over here).

Harley, how would you compare the reverbs from the PCM series to the MPX-1?

i don't think they are true stereo too. prob have to buy 2? ahaha

these things can crap out anytime and no one can fix it.

What do you mean by "these things"? the 2290 or the pcm?
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on May 06, 2017, 10:46:34 PM
Hey Chamai,

   Don't feel bad dude! Lexicon has always been one of the more complicated programmable units to understand, and even though I have enough knowledge about them to eventually figure out how to get what I want out of them, I still don't understand how they do things completely.
    I never looked at the PCM 81 so I don't know what they added to the PCM 80. As I said in my last post, I wanted to try a bit of editing in the PCM 80 in the store, but no one knew anything about it there. The Lexicon designers who came up with the programming in these units might have been drinking mushroom tea when they designed it :dunno:
im gonna spend the whole day tomorrow going over the manual again. i wish they had a youtube vid that guides the user on what most of this shit really mean.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on May 06, 2017, 10:49:58 PM
Well Chamai you are right about those 2290's they stay quite expensive.(around 1000 euro's over here).

Harley, how would you compare the reverbs from the PCM series to the MPX-1?

i don't think they are true stereo too. prob have to buy 2? ahaha

these things can crap out anytime and no one can fix it.

What do you mean by "these things"? the 2290 or the pcm?

the tc2290

pcm 80/81 should still be repairable
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: MarshallJMP on May 07, 2017, 09:24:56 AM
I think the pcm is a lot harder to repair then the tc. The pcm is DSP based while the tc is not. Also a lot of SMD stuff in the PCM.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: van Sinn on May 07, 2017, 12:44:34 PM
An added benefit to the 2290 is the build-in analog routing/patch bay; don't recall how many connections, think it's 4 or 5, all mono IIRC.  Just might mean not having to shop a patch/router for the couple of pedals you can't live without..

Unrelated and OT: Methinks Petrucci sounded better with 2290, Lexicon and Eventide than with Fractal.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: MarshallJMP on May 07, 2017, 03:47:54 PM
I think 4 mono and one stereo if I recall correctly.

Yeah the 2290 has a sound of it's own.Same with the ADA digitizer, also has a sound of it's own.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Harley Hexxe on May 07, 2017, 04:06:12 PM
@ Chamai,

     If you need help understanding the manual for the PCM, just start a topic for it, and I'll help with it as far as I can. I do have a decent understanding of their programming based on the LPX and MPX series processors, so I may be able to offer a little clarity on many things in the PCM series.Eventually, I may buy a PCM 80, since I've wanted to get into the PCM 70 for the longest time, and the 80 offers me the routing that I prefer.

   @ Chamai and MJMP,

   If the PCM needs repair, don't bother going to Lexicon. They don't support any of the older gear anymore because of the availability of parts. It's the same for the 2290 and the older Eventide gear like the H-3000's. The change in technology has made many of the parts used in these things obsolete. Related to this subject-Fender: I own two of the G-Dec Combo Amps from them which are great practice amps and also great for writing too, but no longer made. The G-Dec 3 series was by far the most advanced, but only made for less than two years! The parts used in these amps were no longer being made, so they had to drop them from their catalog.

   @ Van Sinn,
   I totally agree with you that Petrucci sounded better with the Eventide, Lexicon, and TC Electronic gear, that equipment just sounds better than any of the modeling gear. But because of the change in technology, and the physical stress on the older gear by taking it on the road, combined with the unavailability of replacement parts, John had to look to something that is current and serviceable to take on the road with him, so the Fractal may be what gets him close to his sound.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on May 08, 2017, 08:55:35 AM
Thank you. I am going to spend sometime programming these few days. Too busy with kids and work. Also trying to sell my g major to get some funds.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: MarshallJMP on May 09, 2017, 01:44:33 AM
I got my hands on a TC2290 service manual and there are a few obsolete parts in it but nothing that you can't buy NOS. So from my point of view still fixable.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Harley Hexxe on May 09, 2017, 04:36:05 PM
Yes, the 2290 is a great piece of equipment, but you should be able to get all the effects from the 2290  in the D-Two delay.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on May 09, 2017, 11:16:30 PM
Yes, the 2290 is a great piece of equipment, but you should be able to get all the effects from the 2290  in the D-Two delay.

i dont doubt that. i am sure modern processor has way more processing power compared to back then. don't look 80's enough. my g major and my tuner bothers me because it looks too modern. haha
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on May 09, 2017, 11:18:30 PM
I got my hands on a TC2290 service manual and there are a few obsolete parts in it but nothing that you can't buy NOS. So from my point of view still fixable.

you think it's worth buying compared to the newer stuff? i have yet to find a delay that i really like.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: MarshallJMP on May 10, 2017, 07:11:56 AM
Well the D-two and the 2290 work way different and don't sound the same IMHO.The D-two has a DSP and the 2290 works the old fashion way with plain RAM memory.So sound is converted to digital and then pushed into RAM were it's delayed ,then back to analog.More or less the same way as analog delays with BBD chips, only here they use RAM memory.

BTW all the ADA digital delays work like this.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Harley Hexxe on May 10, 2017, 08:53:57 AM
Well the D-two and the 2290 work way different and don't sound the same IMHO.The D-two has a DSP and the 2290 works the old fashion way with plain RAM memory.So sound is converted to digital and then pushed into RAM were it's delayed ,then back to analog.More or less the same way as analog delays with BBD chips, only here they use RAM memory.

BTW all the ADA digital delays work like this.

   Now, I didn't know that about the D-Two. I can understand why they wouldn't sound the same.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Soloist on May 10, 2017, 02:20:32 PM
I had a D-Two last year for about 6 months. Didn't like it at all. On the good side it has multi tap delay, very nice. The chorus is usable, flanger is awful. You only get reverse, ping pong and dynamic delays. For the price your better off getting a g major2. You get all that plus a dual delay, comp, parametric eq, intelligent pitch shifter, noise gate and reverbs. A much better deal for the price.  :thumb-up:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: MarshallJMP on May 10, 2017, 02:33:52 PM
Check this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDeK2rzaiCg&t=186s

You can hear they sound different.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on May 13, 2017, 12:23:14 AM
whats a good current production model delay that you guys recommend?

im just thinking about trading my g major for 2 yamaha spx 90s
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rnolan on May 13, 2017, 08:22:11 PM
SPX 90s were great in their day, I still have one I use for snare reverb.  But they are mono in stereo out and only do one effect at a time, except you can have a short pre-delay with reverbs... I've liking the delay and reverbs in the TC M One I have in my studio rack.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chip Roberts on May 14, 2017, 10:34:44 AM
SPX 90s were great in their day, I still have one I use for snare reverb.  But they are mono in stereo out and only do one effect at a time, except you can have a short pre-delay with reverbs... I've liking the delay and reverbs in the TC M One I have in my studio rack.

Plus they weigh a ton and can be tricky to match up the latency.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rnolan on May 15, 2017, 02:48:36 AM
Hey Chamai, this might be worth a look (https://www.rolandcorp.com.au/blog/the-roland-re-201-space-echo-story) scroll down BTW  :dunno: but it's a pedal.

Or (not current but awesome) http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/ADA-S1000-One-Second-Digital-Delay-/141965165442
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Harley Hexxe on May 15, 2017, 06:31:37 AM
Hey Chamai, this might be worth a look (https://www.rolandcorp.com.au/blog/the-roland-re-201-space-echo-story) scroll down BTW  :dunno: but it's a pedal.

Or (not current but awesome) http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/ADA-S1000-One-Second-Digital-Delay-/141965165442

   I have a bunch of those one-trick ponies, and they are definitely awesome. So are the Digitizer 4's and the i series delays.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: MarshallJMP on May 15, 2017, 09:48:51 AM
Hey Chamai, this might be worth a look (https://www.rolandcorp.com.au/blog/the-roland-re-201-space-echo-story) scroll down BTW  :dunno: but it's a pedal.

Or (not current but awesome) http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/ADA-S1000-One-Second-Digital-Delay-/141965165442

   I have a bunch of those one-trick ponies, and they are definitely awesome. So are the Digitizer 4's and the i series delays.

+1  :thumb-up:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on May 17, 2017, 01:05:26 AM
Hey Chamai, this might be worth a look (https://www.rolandcorp.com.au/blog/the-roland-re-201-space-echo-story) scroll down BTW  :dunno: but it's a pedal.

Or (not current but awesome) http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/ADA-S1000-One-Second-Digital-Delay-/141965165442

sorry for the late response.
i thought we don't use pedals here on adadepot, come on!

the roland is a pretty cool piece. but it's very old school 70's analog sounding. i want overly process delay that can do a lot of BS such as the swell delay. for delays and reverb, i only like digital.

BUT for short reverb just to give each note a bit of a tail, i like a good spring reverb. that's when my good old fostex 3180 kicks in.



Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Harley Hexxe on May 17, 2017, 08:12:47 AM
Hey Chamai,

    The S-1000 is a rackmount delay and is digital, up to 1 second, (1028 ms). That will do what you want, so will the Digitizer 4 which is the model that replaced the S-1000. Of course, you can store up to 16 of your favorite settings in the D4, as opposed to the S-1000 which is a one-trick pony. You have to dial in every effect on the S-1000, but it does them very well.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: MarshallJMP on May 17, 2017, 01:42:59 PM
Hey Harley, which is your favorite , the S1000 or the D4?
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Harley Hexxe on May 17, 2017, 05:13:17 PM
Hey MJMP,

     That's a hard question. The S1000 was the first ADA delay I ever owned, and the one that I dialed in all my favorite Chorus, Flange, and Delay effects from my favorite guitar players at the time. I own a bunch of them because they are only a one-trick pony, so each is set to a different effect.
     The D4 is cool because you can store these effects in it and recall them as you need them, but only if you have the DS-4 footswitch with it. Otherwise, you're going to the front panel of the Delay and pressing buttons.
     I'm looking at another D4 on evil bay right now.

     Harley 8)
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: MarshallJMP on May 18, 2017, 08:45:59 AM
Well I like the D4 best since it's stereo. It also sounds a bit better
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Harley Hexxe on May 18, 2017, 02:49:58 PM
Stereo???   The connections are exactly the same as the S1000 :o
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Kim on May 18, 2017, 05:18:28 PM
There is some very good info regarding ADA Delays going in here; I won't Split this Topic just yet, but let's please try to steer this back a little closer to the original topic.  :thumb-up:
 
:ada-big:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Harley Hexxe on May 19, 2017, 05:52:10 AM
Well the G.A.S. bug is biting me hard here....
    On top of everything else I'm looking at, I just found an email offering me an ADA 2.56i, just as I was about to pull the trigger on another D4 with a foot switch!

    Which way do I go with this? I've wanted a 2.56i for a long time since there were times when I wanted to get just a little bit more time out of my S-1000's, and it just wasn't there.
    Of course it would be a good thing to have a pair of D4's operating with my Classic, in the new RMC cases I'm having built...

      What the hell, it's payday...get BOTH!!! :lol:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Harley Hexxe on May 19, 2017, 06:22:14 AM
Pulled the trigger on the D4, made the offer on the 256i.

     There it is :ada-big:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: MarshallJMP on May 19, 2017, 10:23:45 AM
Stereo???   The connections are exactly the same as the S1000 :o

Nope the D4 has 2 outputs and it has one out more then the S1000. 100% sure of it.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Harley Hexxe on May 19, 2017, 03:57:33 PM
Hey MJMP,

     I'll go look at that tomorrow. I have another D4/DS4 on the way, and I just bought a 2.56i.
     The D4 will go in the rack head with the Classic, and the 2.56i will go in the big rack with the MP-1/3TM rig.
     This should be fun

     Check your email :thumb-up:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on May 21, 2017, 09:27:49 PM
rarely any ADA stuff locally

are you guys buying all your stuff on reverb???
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Harley Hexxe on May 22, 2017, 06:18:05 AM
I bought both of these on "Evil-bay."
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on May 25, 2017, 11:43:24 PM
man, someone few blocks from me selling a mint tc2290 for $1600.

i wish i could get it..

Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: MarshallJMP on May 26, 2017, 03:05:59 AM
That's a lot of money for a 2290
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Harley Hexxe on May 26, 2017, 05:33:19 AM
That's a lot of money for a 2290
I agree, I hope the version that he's selling is the S-2 upgrade. If it's the early version with only 4 seconds of delay, it isn't worth that much.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: mqqse on May 26, 2017, 06:28:25 AM
One of my guys had a customer the other day with a guitar to sell or trade and I was quite surprised to see an old Samick TV Twenty in yellow!  What a great little axe, it will be staying with me for a while ;)
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Kim on May 26, 2017, 03:44:12 PM
I have a Wishlist that's about a km long.  Ok, exaggerating a bit....it's actually only 999 meters long but you get the idea.   ;)

Not stuff I "need", just stuff I "want" even if it's just to test drive for a bit.

Just bought a pair of DiMarzio pickups for one of my guitars, maybe another pair for the other guitar if I like them enough DONE!  :thumb-up:
EHX C9 pedal.  DONE!  :thumb-up:
EHX Soul Food pedal.  DONE!  :thumb-up:
Peavey JSX amp/half stack.   DONE!   :thumb-up:
ProCo Rat   DONE!   :thumb-up:
A rack poweramp to replace the Crate Powerblock.
Dunlop 95Q wah.   DONE!   :thumb-up:
Mr Black Bloodmoon pedal.   DONE!    :thumb-up:
Audix D2 mic.
Eminence speakers: Manowar, Governor, Wizard, etc.
Celestion Vintage 30 speakers.  DONE!    :thumb-up:

..aaand a bunch more stuff I can't afford.  lol
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on May 26, 2017, 09:50:12 PM
https://vancouver.craigslist.ca/rch/msg/6144540552.html

here's the ad

not sure what year. seller including IC upgrade.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Dante on May 27, 2017, 09:50:19 AM
I have a Wishlist that's about a km long.  Ok, exaggerating a bit....it's actually only 999 meters long but you get the idea.   ;)

Not stuff I "need", just stuff I "want" even if it's just to test drive for a bit.

Right of the top of my head, I wanna try some Celestion V30s.   
A pair of DiMarzio pickups for one of my guitars, maybe another pair for the other guitar if I like them enough. 
Bad Horsie 2 wah. 
Mr Black Bloodmoon pedal.
EHX C9 pedal.
EHX Soul Food pedal.
Bunch more stuff I can't afford.  lol

I hear ya. I just saw a little Mesa .22 caliber plus combo that was calling to me. It has the switchable EQ like my DC-5 had, so I already know I would love it. My friend has had several of those .22 Cal combos and they are pretty frickin cool. LOUD as hell, small and compact.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chip Roberts on May 30, 2017, 06:50:08 AM
I have a Wishlist that's about a km long.  Ok, exaggerating a bit....it's actually only 999 meters long but you get the idea.   ;)

Not stuff I "need", just stuff I "want" even if it's just to test drive for a bit.

Right of the top of my head, I wanna try some Celestion V30s.   
A pair of DiMarzio pickups for one of my guitars, maybe another pair for the other guitar if I like them enough. 
Bad Horsie 2 wah. 
Mr Black Bloodmoon pedal.
EHX C9 pedal.
EHX Soul Food pedal.
Bunch more stuff I can't afford.  lol

A man after my own heart.  I love me some Dimarzio.  What pair were you thinking?  I've owned and used the Bad Horsie 2 for about ten years now and never had any problems with it.  It's nice because you have the signature stock sound and then the second mode with adjustable level and contour, so it's like 2 wahs in 1!  I only just recently took mine off my board to put a Behringer Hellbabe on there; smaller footprint, but I prefer the sound of the Bad Horsie.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on May 30, 2017, 11:14:15 PM
all the .22 caliber ive come across were combos. seems like the heads are not as common.

Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Kim on June 02, 2017, 03:54:28 PM
A man after my own heart.  I love me some Dimarzio.  What pair were you thinking?  I've owned and used the Bad Horsie 2 for about ten years now and never had any problems with it.  It's nice because you have the signature stock sound and then the second mode with adjustable level and contour, so it's like 2 wahs in 1!

I just bought a pair of DiMarzios from another member here; a Breed and a PAF Pro.  Can't wait for them to arrive.  It's been a very long time since I've had passive pups, and I've never had any DiMarzios before.  Hopefully they will get me to where I'm looking to go.   

I have the Tremonti wah, and it works great.  But I think it may be tuned to a more standard tuning because it doesn't quite seem (to me) to do the lower stuff quite as well.  I tune to Standard B, which would be the same as if it was a 7 string guitar missing the high E string.  Sometimes I like to wah it down on the lower strings, and I think that Bad Horsie 2 might be good for that because I can click it over to the lower wah frequency when I need that, like you explained.  :thumb-up: 
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on June 13, 2017, 01:21:06 AM
That's so weird, I'm actually eyeing up a PAF Pro right now.

What are they like?

I want something to brighten up my set neck Stagemaster, I do not feel like it has the harmonic content I want so been looking at brighter Dimarzio's that still rock and PAF Pro seems to be an option.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Harley Hexxe on June 13, 2017, 06:31:23 AM
Hey Gerry.

    I have a couple of those. They are pretty decent rock pickups, They have a bit of a boost in the upper midrange, to the point that they seems a bit nasally.
  IIRC, Larry DiMarzio designed these for Micheal Schenker back in the 70's because Micheal was using two wah pedals on stage. He always had one on, and the pedal was locked in the middle somewhere, and that is how he got his main sound. So the PAF Pro was designed to have more emphasis in the mid range. Check out some old UFO stuff with Micheal on it and you should be able to get a good idea. Lights Out comes to mind.
   On the early Steve Vai Gem guitars, the PAF Pro was the standard pickup in the bridge and neck, You can hear these on David Lee Roth's Eat'em and Smile, as well as Skyscraper albums. IF I'm not mistaken, I also believe Joe Satriani used these pickups on the Surfing With The Alien album as well.

    I can also tell you a bit about the DiMarzio Tone Zone. Those have even more midrange but with the emphasis in a slightly lower frequency. Paul Gilbert used these on the later Racer X stuff, and on most of the Mr. Big albums. so you cam get a pretty good idea what these do. I have one and used it for a few months in one of my MIK Showmaster guitars, but I took it out and put in a Steve's Special which I liked a bit better. I do use the Air Zone on my other Showmanster, and I use the Air Norton in the neck on both. The Air Bucker pickups are a bit warmer sounding than their original counterparts, and sound pretty decent on these MIK guitars, since they are made with Mahogany bodies and necks, and have Rosewood fretboards. The Tone Zone just had too much mids, and not enough highs or lows for my taste.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on June 13, 2017, 07:47:26 AM
Hmmmm the cocked wha thing I like from time to time, I achieve it myself by using an EQ in front.  However I'm not sure I'd want that coming from my pickup so perhaps not for me then.

Tone zone has more mids?  Jeez how much more mids can a pickup have?  I thought the DP100 was the daddy when it came to mids and I have a tonne of those pickups.  I also have a Megadrive which I have yet to utilize.

When you say Showmaster, what make of guitar is that?  Like my Squier showmaster?  I have a DP100 in two of them and I like that a lot.  However I have a two deluxe versions of the same guitar (but named the earlier stagemaster) and it has neck-through contruction and sounds completely different, so this is the guitar I want to either add more harmonic or brightness too and perhaps more saturation.

I could stick a dp100 inside but I was goin to try something else.  I toyed with running the pickup installed currently wide open bypassing the tone controls to see if that would help.  The pickup sounds good split but sound a bit dull when full humbucking and somewhat lacking oomph!
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Harley Hexxe on June 13, 2017, 04:01:18 PM
The Showmaster is a Fender made in Korea. They are set-neck guitars made from 2004-2008 I believe. They were 24 fret necks, that were available in either HH or SSS pickups configurations.
They were advertised as having a basswood body with mahogany necks and rosewood fingerboards, but all three of mine are all made with African mahogany bodies. The bodies have a laminate top and some were cool looking while others were cheesy
The body and neck construction was pretty good, but the electronics and hardware were junk
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on June 14, 2017, 01:16:14 AM
They are related to the guitars I'm talking about, exactly the same shape only I see the Fenders have some different contouring on the top face.

My through necks are alder apparently although they do not sound alder to me.  The Showmasters are apparently alder also and some are basswood.  I have no idea how to tell.  Lot's of detail here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stagemaster (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stagemaster)

Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Systematic Chaos on June 14, 2017, 02:39:40 AM
Hey RG,

since you´re used to the SuperDs, don´t go dawn the PAF Pro route. It´s way less output than what you´re used to and, especially if you´re looking for more saturation you´ll be disappointed BIG TIME.
More Saturation and "Oomph" screams CrunchLab DP228F....If you´re looking for a tad bit more harmonic content you´ll also be happily surprised.
If the guitar+pup sound a tad bit darker/warmer, work with your amps treble. That gives you harmonics to spare ;-)
Also, try the MegaDrive with the bar coil towards the neck.
 :thumb-up:

...I also have a used DiMarzio Evolution...that thing is pure saturation with tight oomph and works exceptionally well in alder or warmer/darker sounding guitars.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on June 14, 2017, 05:02:35 AM
According to Dimarzio the megadrive with the bar facing the bridge is brighter

http://www.dimarzio.com/faq#55/62/283 (http://www.dimarzio.com/faq#55/62/283)

I guess I could try it in the stagemaster since I own one already.

The Crunch lab would be too dark I imagine, the EQ on the dimarzio has it all bass and mids.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Systematic Chaos on June 15, 2017, 03:41:12 AM
According to Dimarzio the megadrive with the bar facing the bridge is brighter
->> Instant Ice-Pick

The Crunch lab would be too dark I imagine, the EQ on the dimarzio has it all bass and mids.
->> Saturation + Oomph + Harmonics + Definition = CrunchLab

I have it (with the bar towards the neck) in Alder, Basswood, Swamp Ash and Mahogany (6 & 7 String) and it´s nowhere dark. It´s varying degrees of awesomeness. Want some sound-bits, lemme know  :thumb-up:

Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chip Roberts on June 15, 2017, 07:17:04 AM
Hmmmm the cocked wha thing I like from time to time, I achieve it myself by using an EQ in front.  However I'm not sure I'd want that coming from my pickup so perhaps not for me then.

Tone zone has more mids?  Jeez how much more mids can a pickup have?  I thought the DP100 was the daddy when it came to mids and I have a tonne of those pickups.  I also have a Megadrive which I have yet to utilize.

When you say Showmaster, what make of guitar is that?  Like my Squier showmaster?  I have a DP100 in two of them and I like that a lot.  However I have a two deluxe versions of the same guitar (but named the earlier stagemaster) and it has neck-through contruction and sounds completely different, so this is the guitar I want to either add more harmonic or brightness too and perhaps more saturation.

I could stick a dp100 inside but I was goin to try something else.  I toyed with running the pickup installed currently wide open bypassing the tone controls to see if that would help.  The pickup sounds good split but sound a bit dull when full humbucking and somewhat lacking oomph!

I'm currently using a Tone Zone in the neck of my Les Paul because I'm a crazy person, so I'm not an authority on how it sounds in the bridge.  As for the MegaDrive, I use one in my Explorer and I would describe the sound as closer to an Evolution but with a little more bottom end; not as crass or abrasive.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on June 15, 2017, 07:23:19 AM
@ sc

thanks for the advice man, but isn't your guitar a bolt on neck?  I'm thinking your axe will just flat out sound different from my Stagemaster which I consider kind of dark so I need something with trebel.  I also don't think the brass block really did anything amazing in the axe either other than make the guitar sound louder unplugged and resonate more acoustically (and no real difference to what the pickups hear).

@ chip
What are explorers like?  I don't know much about them so I'm wondering what is that nature of the guitar and what way does a megadrive react to it?  I've no idea about an Evolution either.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chip Roberts on June 15, 2017, 08:42:29 AM
Mine was a kit guitar, I believe basswood, which ranges from fairly neutral to bright in terms of tone.  I play with pretty heavy strings (11-56 in standard E, 11-70 for standard D/drop C), so I tend to prefer a brighter pickup/wood to offset the sometimes woofy bass response.  In terms of how the MegaDrive reacts to a traditional Explorer i.e. mahogany, I can't say for sure.  Mahogany tends to be on the warmer end of the spectrum.  I find when switching between my heavier stringed guitars to my Explorer it can be a little too crass.

I also have that same Les Paul with the Crunch Lab which I LOVE.  I think it's my favorite pickup out of all my guitars.  It's got nice warm body, balanced mids, and very clear; you can hear every note of the chord.  If you split the coils, you can get a really cool fat sounding Yngwie type tone.

Clearly, I play a lot of different Dimarzios.  They all have their own distinctive character and the MP1 responds to each one differently.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on June 15, 2017, 11:36:16 AM
What made you buy the megadrive then?

I think I'll put it in over the weekend.  If it doesn't work out I'm throw a DP100 or D Activator X in there and see what they are like.  Failing that I'm on the lookout for an X2N anyways.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Systematic Chaos on June 15, 2017, 05:48:09 PM
@ sc

thanks for the advice man, but isn't your guitar a bolt on neck?  I'm thinking your axe will just flat out sound different from my Stagemaster which I consider kind of dark so I need something with trebel....

one of the 6stringers is an RGT (neck-through) with Mahogany body/wings

It's not so much the wood combo but the actual scale of the guitar than get things sound mushy/muddy. I preferred the DiMarzio Evolution in a 24.75" Peavey Vandenberg over the CrunchLab but in 25.5" Double Locking Trem guitars the CL shines.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on June 16, 2017, 02:37:17 AM
Really?  I heard wood and construction where the main elements on determining a bright or dark tone.  At least I've been reading that for the last 20years.  I know scale play's a part also hence small scale bass guitars sounding different to long scales. 

In saying that, shortscales are known for being darker and they are actually shorter in scale.

"When the string length changes, the character of those harmonics (and their volumes) change. With shorter string lengths, the higher harmonics have less volume, which results in a thicker, darker tone than a long scale instrument."
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chip Roberts on June 16, 2017, 08:55:08 AM
What made you buy the megadrive then?

I think I'll put it in over the weekend.  If it doesn't work out I'm throw a DP100 or D Activator X in there and see what they are like.  Failing that I'm on the lookout for an X2N anyways.

I wanted to try it out, heh, the same reason I buy any pickup.  I have two X2Ns in my V, again, because I'm a crazy person.  They have a lot of gain, so just make sure you tweak your patches appropriately because the X2N can definitely muddy up your sound.  They sound awesome split, though!
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on June 16, 2017, 12:40:33 PM
What made you buy the megadrive then?

I think I'll put it in over the weekend.  If it doesn't work out I'm throw a DP100 or D Activator X in there and see what they are like.  Failing that I'm on the lookout for an X2N anyways.

I wanted to try it out, heh, the same reason I buy any pickup.  I have two X2Ns in my V, again, because I'm a crazy person.  They have a lot of gain, so just make sure you tweak your patches appropriately because the X2N can definitely muddy up your sound.  They sound awesome split, though!

I heard X2N splits well.  If I was to use one (and I might hence having bought one ages ago) of course things might take setting up different.  But then my input on FX unit determines the level so even if I got a loud pickup I would have to adjust my GT5 input to avoid clipping, by the time the signal gets to the a preamp it's not going to be any louder than any other guitar I use as the input on GT5 is tweaked to suit every time.

I was just asking as I thought perhaps there was a particular reason why you chose the megadrive.  It's pretty uncommon.

Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chip Roberts on June 17, 2017, 05:38:12 PM
Precisely because it's uncommon I was curious how it sounded and thought.  The only players I knew of who had played one were Tony MacAlpine, Jay Jay French, at one point I think Leslie West, and I think I read somewhere that the one of the guys from Dangerous Toys liked it.

I, just a few minutes ago, finished tracking some fiddly diddly with my rig and the MegaDrive.  I'll try and have it up sometime next week for you to check out  :thumb-up:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on June 21, 2017, 03:11:42 AM
scored a Rocktron Velocity amp.  I figured I should have a backup rack power amp since this is what I use now days.

Also keen to see if it sounds different from my Thomann Special the Harley Benton GPA400 which is based on the Velocity.  Apparently the Velocity is similar to Mosvalves which offer a different feel than plain old regular poweramps thanks to some jiggery pokery stuff inside.

Looks like an MP1 is going on tour with me this year whilst my (live) Rockmaster gets a service and has a break.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rnolan on June 21, 2017, 03:31:56 AM
Looks like an MP1 is going on tour with me this year whilst my (live) Rockmaster gets a service and has a break.
  :whoohoo!: finally  :thumb-up: LoL, good score BTW  :wave:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on June 21, 2017, 05:24:52 AM
The problem is which one.

For the album I used my most recent MP1 purchased, totally unmodified MP1.  However it needs switched on and off in order to power it up, so could be an underlying fault.  And then my other MP1 is currently on the operating table.  So I'll have to fix that before taking anything anywhere.

MP1 3tm isn't going out as it's not allowed to leave the house  :lol:  May be some day.

It was a good score Richard,  they don't sell for as cheap as I got it.  £130.  Have to arrange my own courier though to collect it.  However it may remain a local gig amp only as it's heavy apparently so getting it on a plane might not happen.

edit:  Richard I have played an MP1 live before you know  :thumb-up:  so it aint the first.  I just might keep it in for the whole season.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Kim on June 21, 2017, 03:46:58 PM
scored a Rocktron Velocity amp.....

Cool!  :thumb-up:   Is it the older 2U Velocity 300?  I had one of those....highly recommended as an SS rack poweramp.  The newer 1U Velocity poweramps I've heard not-so-good things about but never tried one of those myself.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on June 22, 2017, 01:17:43 AM
scored a Rocktron Velocity amp.....

Cool!  :thumb-up:   Is it the older 2U Velocity 300?  I had one of those....highly recommended as an SS rack poweramp.  The newer 1U Velocity poweramps I've heard not-so-good things about but never tried one of those myself.

No it's the newer one that is 1U.  It's funny as I have heard the opposite in regards to the older 2U version.  What have you heard is bad about the new one?  I'm now concerned.

I heard the new one can blow fuses, however it can be avoided if you power the unit on in one swift flick of the switch.  Not sure how that will be affected when I have everything turned on by my Furman.

I heard the sound in the new one is good, the reactance control apparrently is more than just a lo end control accoridng to a guy I quizzed who has reviewed the amp on youtube quite thorughly.  He is the one who also told me about the fuse blowing.  He said it adds an almost slight compression style feel to it.

I hope I haven't bought a  :poop:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chip Roberts on June 22, 2017, 09:59:16 AM
There's a Lee Jackson SP1000 on eBay that barely works and is calling my name.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on June 23, 2017, 01:13:56 AM
well, fun story.

i asked my kids what they wanted to play. my daughter said, violin. so we got her a little 1/8 violin.

my son is a fan of Queen and i let him hear some guitar amps. he actually picked out the ac30 without knowing what an ac30 is. i asked him if he wanted an ac30. he has a guitar already. he said no, i want to play the violin instead.

so we got him a violin. i have quite a bit of different instruments at home. drums, guitars, keyboards, flute. they don't like any of them. now we have 2 violin.

since i want to play with my kids and help them with their instruments, i went to get myself a violin. being born different, i had to find a left handed violin. note that i am ambidextrous. i can write with either hand and etc. but i am 100% a lefty on string string instruments. i remember coming across an old left handed 80 year old strad copy at long and mcquade store in a different province. i called and they said it has been sitting there for a year. looked like a pretty decent quality instrument. its being shipped. they said i can rent it for awhile and return it if i feel it's a piece of crap. they did promise me that it is a quality instrument. so after doing tons of research on violins, it turns out to be a pretty good one I THINK and anything new at that price point will buy me a piece of crap.

so now i have 3 violins in the house all of a sudden.

funny thing is i actually enjoy playing the violin.  :headbanger:

Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Harley Hexxe on June 23, 2017, 05:36:19 AM
You need to get together with Chucky
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: MarshallJMP on June 23, 2017, 05:59:35 AM
+1 :thumb-up:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Kim on June 23, 2017, 03:40:00 PM
No it's the newer one that is 1U.  It's funny as I have heard the opposite in regards to the older 2U version.  What have you heard is bad about the new one?  I'm now concerned.

Well, I don't recall anything specific....just hearsay I suppose.  I can tell you that if it sounds as good as the older 2U unit did it's a winner.  :thumb-up:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on June 24, 2017, 09:40:37 PM
any other violin players here?

Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Kim on June 25, 2017, 07:51:32 AM
any other violin players here?

AFAIK, Zilthy and Chucky are the only two violin players here. 
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on June 25, 2017, 02:32:34 PM
No it's the newer one that is 1U.  It's funny as I have heard the opposite in regards to the older 2U version.  What have you heard is bad about the new one?  I'm now concerned.

Well, I don't recall anything specific....just hearsay I suppose.  I can tell you that if it sounds as good as the older 2U unit did it's a winner.  :thumb-up:

What was good about the old one?  They've stopped making the 300 now and only make the 100LTD.  MAINLINE is the new Velocity 300.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on June 27, 2017, 06:54:15 AM
Got the velocity.  Excited to try it.  It's the heaviest 1U rack module I have ever come across.  So heavy.  Heavier than the last 1U I thought was heavy which was my Kitty Hawk quattro and Yamamha PG-1.  It's a beast and nearly 9kg.

I#m assuming there is a lot under the hood hence condensing this model down from a 2U to a 1U.  Hopefully I like it.

Kim is this you?

http://www.harmonycentral.com/reviews/product/rocktron-velocity-300/371450 (http://www.harmonycentral.com/reviews/product/rocktron-velocity-300/371450)
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Kim on June 28, 2017, 05:09:59 PM
Pay no attention to that man behind the green curtain.

These are not the droids you are looking for.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on June 28, 2017, 11:33:02 PM
completely off topic

did anyone here ever messed with the Boss Waza amp?

i don't think anyone have actually bought one.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on June 29, 2017, 12:44:24 AM
Pay no attention to that man behind the green curtain.

These are not the droids you are looking for.

ADA MP1, Kim, Velocity, and put three together and came up with YOU!  LOL

Whoever he is he liked the old Velocity as well.


completely off topic

did anyone here ever messed with the Boss Waza amp?

i don't think anyone have actually bought one.


Never heard of it man what is it?
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Harley Hexxe on June 29, 2017, 04:37:55 AM
completely off topic

did anyone here ever messed with the Boss Waza amp?

i don't think anyone have actually bought one.

   I heard a demo of one on youtube, sounded crap. It sounds like an amplifier trying to imitate an amplifier, if that makes any sense.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8Lk4iemwRo
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: MarshallJMP on June 29, 2017, 12:16:07 PM
The price alone on this thing is waaaaaaaaaaayyyyy too high.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Harley Hexxe on June 29, 2017, 01:28:08 PM
The price alone on this thing is waaaaaaaaaaayyyyy too high.
+1 :thumb-up:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on June 29, 2017, 09:10:52 PM
Not sure what type of market they were trying to get into. Are is Roland really that stupid to come up with something like this? Googled that amp and seems no one actually bought one and posted any reviews online. I've never seen. One in our local stores as well. Maybe if they clear it out for 399, I may get one as a bed room amp. 1 watt solid state amp clipping. Yum
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on June 30, 2017, 02:47:54 AM
That's weird, I found reviews and they were favourable, but they complained about support from Boss about software or something I didn't understand.

I can't find any information about what the hell technology and spec the f**king thing is.

Seems weird.  I never even heard of its release.
Not sure what type of market they were trying to get into. Are is Roland really that stupid to come up with something like this? Googled that amp and seems no one actually bought one and posted any reviews online. I've never seen. One in our local stores as well. Maybe if they clear it out for 399, I may get one as a bed room amp. 1 watt solid state amp clipping. Yum
Not sure what you mean Chamai?

Given they've made amps and shit before to me it seems they've tried to blend the two ideas together, their amp modeling and their amps.

Still would love to know what the hell the f**king things is and how it works etc
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Harley Hexxe on June 30, 2017, 04:41:00 AM
That amp works on the tone capsule principle just like the combo versions they have out for a few years now

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP2ZV0b9URo

It's the same as these but with selectable output from 25 watts to 150 watts. They also require special designed speakers which are as expensive as the amp is.

Personally, I don't see this going very far for the price.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on June 30, 2017, 11:01:10 PM
That's weird, I found reviews and they were favourable, but they complained about support from Boss about software or something I didn't understand.

I can't find any information about what the hell technology and spec the f**king thing is.

Seems weird.  I never even heard of its release.
Not sure what type of market they were trying to get into. Are is Roland really that stupid to come up with something like this? Googled that amp and seems no one actually bought one and posted any reviews online. I've never seen. One in our local stores as well. Maybe if they clear it out for 399, I may get one as a bed room amp. 1 watt solid state amp clipping. Yum
Not sure what you mean Chamai?

Given they've made amps and shit before to me it seems they've tried to blend the two ideas together, their amp modeling and their amps.

Still would love to know what the hell the f**king things is and how it works etc

sorry, it was 2 am when i was typing that.

what i meant was what market was roland trying to target?
the guys who are tube snobs won't buy it
people who uses solid state won't spend that kind of money on an amp usually
there are guys who uses kempler and axe fx coz they want to amp modelling.

the waza has this weird 1 watt mode. not sure how it will work on solid state. it's most likely an emulation of some sort.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on July 08, 2017, 01:55:23 PM
scored a Rocktron Velocity amp.....

Cool!  :thumb-up:   Is it the older 2U Velocity 300?  I had one of those....highly recommended as an SS rack poweramp.  The newer 1U Velocity poweramps I've heard not-so-good things about but never tried one of those myself.

I was trying the velocity for the first time today.

Tell me, do they need to warm up?

I got f**king nothing or rather a blurry noisy mess until a few minutes until it kicked in and was good for about 2 hours of playing today.  It concerned me there was no sound to start off, it's not tubes, why did it need to warm up?  Anyways

it's the shit!  Feels incredible.  Makes guitar sound awesome, and easier to play,  really hard to explain.  If you scoop all the mids out, it still sounded good, I was amazed!  This could be the best amp of all time for me and my set up.  It made everything really liquidy smooth, and I had all the power I had with my Harely Benton GPA400.

Even though it weighs a tonne!  for a 1U, I have to try and figure out how I can get this amp on a plane so I can tour with it.  It's awesome!
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rnolan on July 09, 2017, 07:06:34 AM
Hey RG, well really glad it's a great sound etc but it shouldn't take time to warm up, sure tubes need to come to temp but not SS.  In a SS amp that would indicate something not quite right and corrects itself when it gets warm  :dunno:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on July 09, 2017, 07:54:08 AM
I feared this!

That is (and I can't be sure until I test a non tube device straight into the amp) unless it was my preamp warming up?

I wish I had checked now by using my GT5 on-board digital preamp.  Had I done that I would have known no warming up and I should have signal right away!  Dam!

Well fingers crossed for me guy's I don't want to have to return the amp to the guy.  Not after I see the tone of the amp being a game changer for me.  If an amp makes playing guitar feel easier then I'm all for that.  Plenty of warmth too.

I guess when roctron labelled the circuit inside the "reactance circuit" they weren't joking.  No wonder the dam thing is so heavy!  Nearly 9kg for a 1u.  Must something substantial in there!
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Harley Hexxe on July 09, 2017, 08:29:23 AM
Hey Gerry,

     This was the first time you fired up the amp, as you stated. Try it again after everything has cooled down, and see if it repeats what it did. It's also possible that this particular amp may not have been in use for quite some time before you bought it. That may have an effect on the circuitry, i.e. Filter caps may need to balance out before functioning properly, etc. Big caps can get a little squirrely  if they discharge all their voltage, then suddenly get a full charge again.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Kim on July 09, 2017, 08:48:53 AM
I guess when roctron labelled the circuit inside the "reactance circuit" they weren't joking.  No wonder the dam thing is so heavy!  Nearly 9kg for a 1u.  Must something substantial in there!

My older 2U version had a huge torroidal transformer in there that was a very large part of the weight of the amp.  I'm guessing whatever transformer might be in yours is what's making the whole thing heavy.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rnolan on July 09, 2017, 08:55:59 AM
Well the main weight in an SS poweramp is the power supply (transformer), so it would seem it has lots of gusto (9kg  :facepalm: , do you have enough power to feed it ?)  Though a B200s is 7.25 kgs, but the G500s is 10.5kgs (and a tube amp would be even more).

Anyway that aside, how long warm up ??, if it's your preamp then it will be the same for all your amps, as you are saying this is unusual, then it seems something poweramp related ? Now maybe it's something related to building up the appropriate amount of herbivorous in the poweramp  :dunno: , I think unlikely though but MJMP or others may be able to throw some light on it.  One question, how many watts is it and how much power does it need (are you feeding it the amount of malted barley it wants and quickly enough ?, I suspect you are and there shouldn't be an issue but worth noting).

My (unfortunate) suspicion is there is something in the amp that is coming good when it gets warm, or it should be up to full vol very quickly (it doesn't have to warm up tubes...).  With SS amps, you press the go button and they work..

Edit: What Harley is saying makes sense, give it a few goes, it may settle down, the good thing is you really like the tone (and that's the most important).  You could also re-flow it (hey can't hurt).
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Harley Hexxe on July 09, 2017, 09:13:01 AM
Hey Richard,

     That makes perfect sense too, a cold solder joint! I didn't think of that one. Good idea.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rnolan on July 09, 2017, 09:59:24 AM
Hey Harley, it really came home for me when my B200s started to crackle ( and really loud  :facepalm: ), I got a tech to look at it, and nahh, still the same, he had another go, told me is wasn't worth me getting him to change every component to fix it, WTF, then MJMP told me he had the same issue once and re flowing all the power caps etc fixed it but hey why not re flow the whole thing.. now this is not a big deal with a B200s, they are relatively simple amps, and easy to work on, and woh hey, it all came good and is still pumping  :whoohoo!: . Hey shit happens over time, lots of vibrations, hot/cold etc. Sometimes (not always), a re-flow can fix it.. but if done correctly, it can't hurt.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on July 09, 2017, 10:28:21 AM
Ok well it came on when I switched it on, but the sound was a lot quieter than it should have been for a 300watt amp at half volume plugged into 4  2x12" cabs.

Anyways the first time I didn't keep it on for it to come good.  I switched it off and plugged in my other amp because I needed to rehearse and not mess about.  So yesterday had  go with it and the same thing happened when I had turned it on.  Sound, but weak and strange sounding.  Then I'd say about 60-120 seconds it cleared and got very, very loud and I immediately had to turn down to about a 1/3 of the volume knob (it was at half) as I was standing beside it and it was dangerously loud for my hearing.

Then I played with it for about 2-3 hours without issue.

Reason I brought up my preamp being the issue, because sometimes my peavey rockmaster doesn't like to come on right away due to dirty contacts through the multiple FX loops it has.  Sometimes I need to plug patch cables in and out to get it working.  Sometimes I don't, sometimes it comes on right away, sometimes it doesn't, but does after a few seconds.

Harley the amp I dunno when last used, they guy who sold it to me I think was using it up until fairly recent.  It did take a right in a padded box in a plane from England to Northern Ireland.  But I dunno if that would have affected it so much since it had 1" thick dense foam lining the box it was in.  May be, how knows?
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rnolan on July 09, 2017, 10:58:32 AM
Hey RG, that's a long time for a SS amp (it's along time for a tube amp), how old is it, my (out there) guess is the power caps need replacing. Now the dangerously loud for my hearing  >:D , cool, good amp then  :whoohoo!: :headbanger:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on July 09, 2017, 12:44:20 PM
I think it's 4-5 years old.

As I mentioned, it could have been my preamp, but it didn't sound like the way the rockmaster normall kicks in.  This to me sounded like the amp.

I will know when I turn it on in a few days time and use my FX pedal rather than external preamp for tone (just as a test).

Is it good?  Yes it sounded and felt fantastic.  Really added something else to the sound.  If this is bust I am immediately on the hunt for a new one.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on July 10, 2017, 01:25:13 PM
Ok guy's, went to the rehearsal room,

turned it all on via furman but left the amp off.  Found a preset patch on my GT5 using the amp modelling preamp so no (preamp in the loop), walked over to the amp turned it on, raised the volume slowly..................................................hey presto sound right away!!!

Jammed with that for a while, made the onboard stuff sound better for sure did the amp!

Then I switched back to my normal patches that incorporate an external pre in the loop..................hey presto..........................no sound!!!

So the Rockmaster was the culprit most likely the other two times!

Then what?  I started inserting a patch cable in all the loop returns at the back, still nothing.  Just by chance I rammed it into the foot switch controller socket, BAM!  Sound!

Then I was good to go  :thumb-up:

Jammed for an hour or so, f**king love the Velocity.  Best SS amp I have ever used.  Softens everything and like makes the strings feel silky to play, really hard to fathom what the hell it's doing.  Also seems to add a nice depth to everything and lets the notes jump out when playing lead.  I feel I can play a lot softer now as well and get great touch sensitivity.  Not exaggerating guy's but I get all this from the amp.  Also there is undoubtedly warmth.

I will record some over the next week for you hopefully.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on September 19, 2017, 08:37:10 PM
i was really busy with work the past month.

GAS suddenly hit and this is what i got.

$400 bucks canadian, new tubes. i think i did pretty well.

(http://i.imgur.com/i8LPsuZ.jpg) (https://imgur.com/i8LPsuZ)

this thing sounds massive. it does need a bit of cleaning on the pots.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: MarshallJMP on September 20, 2017, 02:17:00 AM
These are GREAT amps, a lot better then the newer ones.

Love the fulltone you have there, which I could get my hands on one.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on September 20, 2017, 04:56:10 PM
These are GREAT amps, a lot better then the newer ones.

Love the fulltone you have there, which I could get my hands on one.

agreed, sounds really good and the power section saturates really easily at 25 watts.

same seller also had an ADA Ampulator for $500 cdn..

tempted to get it, but I have no use for it.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on September 20, 2017, 09:01:42 PM
get your hands on them while you can. i know they are limited!

it's either the tc 1210 or terc. price on the 1210 is getting ridiculous here locally if i see one.

Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: MarshallJMP on September 21, 2017, 03:47:17 AM
1500 euro for a chorus is a bit too much for me.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on September 21, 2017, 09:53:47 AM
1500 euro for a chorus is a bit too much for me.

Damn.. that's almost double the price.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on September 21, 2017, 09:33:57 PM
1500 euro for a chorus is a bit too much for me.

Damn.. that's almost double the price.

what brands are cheaper there compared to the rest of the world?
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on December 04, 2017, 02:35:14 AM
Since I recently just got the Roctron Intellipitch, why not bag mysewlf an Digitech IPS33B!!

This one is a UK model so no step up required.  I really like the IPS, I think they sound awesome.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rnolan on December 07, 2017, 08:50:34 PM
Hey RG, I always liked mine, not that I use it much anymore.  What is the difference with the 'B' from the original?
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: herbyguitar on December 07, 2017, 10:12:41 PM
I had a IPS 33B. It was great until it wasn't. It stopped saving presets so I got rid of it... did they have a battery  backup? If it did, I didn't know...
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rnolan on December 09, 2017, 01:40:27 AM
I assume they have a battery to keep presets  :dunno: .  I haven't used mine in quite a while, I pulled it from my live rack and was going to include it in my studio rig but haven't got around to it..
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: herbyguitar on December 10, 2017, 08:23:15 PM
Oh please don't tell me it had a battery backup. I got rid of mine a few years ago because I thought it was broke. I can be an idiot sometimes... OK, more than sometimes.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rnolan on December 10, 2017, 11:42:38 PM
Ok, I won't tell you  ::)   (http://www.proaudiosupport.com/a23108/digitech-general-knowledge-long.html)
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: MarshallJMP on December 11, 2017, 05:04:34 AM
Ok, I won't tell you  ::)   (http://www.proaudiosupport.com/a23108/digitech-general-knowledge-long.html)

R, you're bad  >:D
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on December 11, 2017, 06:13:06 AM
Hey RG, I always liked mine, not that I use it much anymore.  What is the difference with the 'B' from the original?

Quite a bit Richard, and if I am honest I don't know if I like the 33b.

It cannot track for shit unless you select the "Chord" tracking option.

However this Chord Tracking option is not available when using certain other modes and you are left with "Normal", "Distortion" or "Bass".

And of course why not select distortion then since I am using distortion all the time?  Well because it doesn't work very well.

Now comparing this issue to the original and supposedly inferior IPS33, well the 33 wins hands down thanks to the distotion loop.  It tracks so well, and sounded so thick and "chewey", this is what Impressed me with the 33.

So everything I read has said the 33B is the best out of the two. so bagging the 33B I was expecting a bit more, and sadly I was let down. 

When I figured out that I could use the 33B and get it to sound ok using the "Chord" tracking i was immediatley relieved as it sounded great suddenly.  However then I discovered that it wasn't available in certain modes, mega crisis time.  I need to evaluate if this device is going to be useful to me or not now.

Other things that the 33B has are different internal stuff going on, it also has a, LCD read out as opposed to the digital number read out on the 33.  There is more processing power as well that allows for a few effects at once.  But then I only want the intelligent pitch shifting so none of that really matters to me.

It could be the 33 just suits me as a player.  It has more than enough scales to select from without ever running out in my opinion, but also you can transcribe your own custom scales.  Surely that's all one needs?  Well that's enough for me.  The extra knobs and whistles of the 33B are nice to have but if it can't even track as well as the older model, the f++k that!

Shame as I was looking to have one at home and one in the studio.

MJMP told me a while ago to look at my old 33 and see if the transformer says anything about 230v near by.  Low and behold it does, so I seem to recall he said I could possibly wire the 33's transformer to cope with the UK voltage which would be awesome as I hate having the step down transformer.  I might take a look inside the 33b and see if it has the same transformer, and see if I can perhaps copy the way it is wired up?  Good idea bad idea?


Oh the 33B has a remote control as well.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: herbyguitar on December 11, 2017, 11:45:11 AM
Ok, I won't tell you  ::)   (http://www.proaudiosupport.com/a23108/digitech-general-knowledge-long.html)

You're EVIL  >:D
I figured as much   :facepalm:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rnolan on December 12, 2017, 12:04:54 AM
Sorry Herby  :wave: , but it was kind of predictable and I probably/definitely need to source one of those 4.5v batteries for mine.  I once programmed all the harmonies for the highway star solo, but I couldn't change them fast enough  :facepalm: (I would need to sequence them) so in the end I just went with a Gm patch, worked well enough.

Hey RG, thanks for the run down  :thumb-up: , very good to know.  I'll stick with mine, it does what it does quite well.  When you get a chance, try not using the dist loop and see how it tracks, I found no difference, still tracked just fine (although I understood why they put it there etc and used it for quite a while).

It will be good if you can rewire the tranny for 230v  :whoohoo!: , or possibly swap the 33Bs tranny in, although it may not be compatible  :dunno: . I'm not a fan of step downs either  :facepalm:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on December 20, 2017, 11:28:09 PM
after waiting for 2 months, finial got my CAE line mixer plus. version 2 has more in's in mix one compared to the previous mixer i believe.

saving for two yamaha spx90's for detune and a voodoo lab gcx and ground control. hopefully i can get that stuff by the end of next year.

one step closer to finishing my rig. i am desperate for a 20 space rack.

(https://i.imgur.com/DBZGfXX.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/jqUO8aN.jpg)
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chip Roberts on December 22, 2017, 08:41:26 AM
Meeting a fellow about purchasing a Digitech GSP21 this weekend.  From what I understand one or more of us on this forum is a big fan.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on December 22, 2017, 08:31:38 PM
Meeting a fellow about purchasing a Digitech GSP21 this weekend.  From what I understand one or more of us on this forum is a big fan.

i had one, the chorus and reverb is actually pretty good.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Kim on December 23, 2017, 12:22:17 PM
"Digitech Tech" Topic Split and moved to Non ADA Gear - Effects HERE (http://adadepot.com/index.php?topic=2031.0)
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chip Roberts on December 24, 2017, 10:25:31 AM
I'm interested in using it in a "simplified" B rig consisting of my version 2.01 MP1 and Mosvalve 1160.  Looks to be a pretty advanced unit for the time (circa '89, I think).  Tube and speaker emulation, analog effects.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on February 22, 2018, 01:57:51 AM
Some A hole broke into my ebay account and bought this guitar for me!!  Shocking eh?

Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: tomy on February 22, 2018, 03:02:48 AM
nice guitar, but not fun :crazy:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on February 22, 2018, 05:01:28 AM
Well I'm hoping it's a lot of fun actually!  What do you mean?

I was joking about someone breaking into my account you know  :lol:

I was trying to deny the fact that I went and bought another axe when I really shouldn't have, but hey, this is the GAS thread!
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: tomy on February 22, 2018, 05:29:59 AM
NAAAhhhhhh !! you got me  :bow:

anyway, first time i looked to your pics, I thought  "bridge humbucker, floyd rose, flashy colour.... that axe is made for RG !" :lol:

but I'll keep the hijacking ebay account excuse for my wife next purchase :thumb-up:

tomy

Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on February 22, 2018, 06:48:00 AM

but I'll keep the hijacking ebay account excuse for my wife next purchase :thumb-up:

tomy

Excellent now I am quite glad I fooled you as I have provided you with an great excuse next time you need to buy a sneaky bass purchase!

Well it is very me that axe!  Superstrat and not a common variety one.  I like Tokai guitars, I think their very under estimated and underated.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rnolan on February 22, 2018, 07:08:53 AM
Hey RG nice  :thumb-up: , but you had me gong with the ebay break in theme also  :facepalm:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on February 22, 2018, 07:33:27 AM
Ok well just for the record as I don't want anyone else concerned, I didn't havbe an intruder in my ebay account buying me nice things.

I just said that as I needed an excuse for the GAS!

Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: tomy on February 22, 2018, 08:59:30 AM

Excellent now I am quite glad I fooled you as I have provided you with an great excuse next time you need to buy a sneaky bass purchase!


Yeah ! but in return my wife also can say :" Look... Someone broke into your ebay account and bought you a........LOVELY, NICE, AND BEAUTIFUL EXPENSIVE HANDBAG" :facepalm:

Well it is very me that axe!  Superstrat and not a common variety one.  I like Tokai guitars, I think their very under estimated and underated.

And Me thinking ;" Please God, send me someone who hijack my ebay account in the same way"  ;D
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: MikeB on February 22, 2018, 11:50:03 AM
Nice score,  Gerry. As cool as that guitar is, I think I'm more impressed that you managed to convince some people that someone had hacked your account,  bought a guitar and then had it shipped to you. Well done.  :bow:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: tomy on February 22, 2018, 03:27:49 PM
Hey RG, the fact you're laughing at my lack in english leave me with... NOTHING BUT A BITTER TASTE !  :lol:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Kim on February 22, 2018, 03:49:16 PM
Nice looking axe, Gerry! 
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on February 22, 2018, 08:28:46 PM
don't you guys hate it when you find a piece of gear for a good price but someone managed to snatch it up before you do.

my local store had an eventide eclipse for 899CAD, i wanted to buy it but it was on hold.

pissed off as hell.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rnolan on February 23, 2018, 04:57:47 AM
I kind of console myself with, if I was meant to have it....then I would, there's always more gear to be had. But I understand your disappointment. Then again, GAS isn't necessarily a rational thing, many of us have much more gear than we need or can even use.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on February 23, 2018, 05:14:10 AM
Nice looking axe, Gerry!

Cheers man, I think so.  Never really liked the pointy headstock on strats but this guitar as a whole seems to appeal to me.  I have a very similar Custom Edition Tokai and it featured on the album a lot, sounds great!  Pickups including the single coils really have a nice tone!

Then again, GAS isn't necessarily a rational thing, many of us have much more gear than we need or can even use.

Yes I agree, I'm excessive.  I cull down once and a while though.  Once I shift a few things I have for sale the balance will be restored.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on February 24, 2018, 01:16:46 AM
i limit myself 2 pieces of nice gear a year. i didn't buy anything this year. my focus have been completing my rig. it's not common to come across a good deal on some nice rack gear. i am going to call the store again on monday and hopefully the guy did not buy the eclipse. i have always wanted a h3000, bought prices are going up and i have never seen one for sale used.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rnolan on February 24, 2018, 07:12:49 PM
So does that mean you can buy 4 pieces this year  >:D ?
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Kim on February 24, 2018, 09:17:44 PM
My G.A.S. changes whenever my "needs" change.  lol

I'm really gassing for a different amp for the Home Studio, and it's a great price.  BUT.......the stars don't always line up the way they should.  I have the money for it, but my truck must've sensed that somehow so it broke down and now needs repair.  sigh.   
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on February 26, 2018, 12:27:14 AM
So does that mean you can buy 4 pieces this year  >:D ?

i wish. last year i bought a pcm 81 and a fulltone terc.

i am aiming for an eclipse or a H3000 this year. for sure i will pick up a 18 space rack case. i really want to replace my g major.

we are planning on selling our place and move to a bigger house with a basement finally. so in a few months time i can finally start building a studio or a jam space. i am really looking forward to a new city, new house, smaller population.





Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on February 28, 2018, 10:49:42 PM
eventide eclipse on the way :headbanger:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rnolan on February 28, 2018, 11:00:50 PM
Cool  :thumb-up:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on March 01, 2018, 10:23:54 PM
I'm super excited. One step nearer on completing my rig. Now the expensive part is the delay processor.

I don't know why but I am gasing for a gretsch hollow body.

Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rnolan on March 03, 2018, 03:39:43 AM
Hey Chamai, that's pretty big (expensive) gasing LoL
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on March 04, 2018, 12:04:29 AM
If I find a used one for a good deal. Unfortunately used lefties are rare.

I just drove down to Seattle from vancover. Going to check out some stores to see if I can find myself some old rack gear. My wife is with me so I can't buy anything stupid. I will keep u guys posted if I see anything interesting. An ada mp2 would be nice.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rnolan on March 04, 2018, 01:30:38 AM
And maybe some split stacks ? Have a good trip  :thumb-up:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Kim on March 04, 2018, 06:32:15 AM
My wife is with me so I can't buy anything stupid.
:lol:

It really sucks to come home after work and see that the new guitar amp you've been gassing for months has suddenly shown up and sitting right there in the living room.....disguised as shoes, a handbag, and a coat.    :amaze:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chip Roberts on March 04, 2018, 11:24:49 AM
I just drove down to Seattle from vancover. Going to check out some stores to see if I can find myself some old rack gear. My wife is with me so I can't buy anything stupid. I will keep u guys posted if I see anything interesting. An ada mp2 would be nice.

Good luck, my friend; you're in my neck of the woods and I have purchased ALL OF THE USED RACK GEAR IN THE SEATTLE MARKET.  >:D
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on March 04, 2018, 05:48:47 PM
I just drove down to Seattle from vancover. Going to check out some stores to see if I can find myself some old rack gear. My wife is with me so I can't buy anything stupid. I will keep u guys posted if I see anything interesting. An ada mp2 would be nice.

Good luck, my friend; you're in my neck of the woods and I have purchased ALL OF THE USED RACK GEAR IN THE SEATTLE MARKET.  >:D

I went to Trading musician. They had a bk butler tubedrive 913 rack overdrive for 200 bucks. They said if I bought it , they will throw in a black version bk butler tubedrive rack 903 for free. This one has both line and instrument ins and outs. The guy said the 2nd one is a bit scratchy and may need some minor repairs. 200 bucks for both. I'm not complaining. This is exactly what I was looking for to boost my jcm800.

Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on March 05, 2018, 10:24:45 PM
so here's what i picked up for 200 bucks

the black one needs work. i prob bring it to a tech.

i only spent a few minutes with it boosting my jcm800. feels really different compared to a tubescreamer. insane amount of gain and very different picking feel compared to a normal boost pedal.

(https://i.imgur.com/NmsK8NR.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/uelAjhc.jpg?1)
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rnolan on March 06, 2018, 04:50:00 AM
Not bad for $200  :thumb-up:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chip Roberts on March 06, 2018, 04:16:26 PM
Good stuff!  I've been in the market for a BK Butler Blue Tube so I can check "Replicating Kip Winger's 1990 touring rack" off of my bucket list.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on March 06, 2018, 08:58:04 PM
my tube driver is going to replace all my od pedals. i really like the "sag" in the picking response. 10/10. i am extremely happy.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rnolan on March 07, 2018, 01:50:40 AM
Hey Chamai 10/10  :whoohoo!: .
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on March 07, 2018, 01:12:42 PM
very open sound and aggressive it retains a lot of the amps top end sparkle. not as " tight" compared to a od pedal. I am going to email Mr butler himself if he can do a bias mod on the rack version. I might try to swap out some lower gain tubes to see how it sounds.

also, my eventide eclipse just arrived!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rnolan on March 08, 2018, 04:14:31 AM
Looking forward to hearing about the eventide  :wave:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on March 08, 2018, 01:05:35 PM
I will report back asap. The hard part is sneaking it into my house.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on March 08, 2018, 11:03:52 PM
here it is,
i organised the rack tonight. i didn't get a chance to hook it up yet.
i have to wait till saturday night to try out the eclipse.

(https://i.imgur.com/bYciEiT.jpg?1)
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rnolan on March 09, 2018, 04:48:34 AM
Looking good Chamai  :thumb-up: , just needs a MP2 in there LoL
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on March 09, 2018, 09:40:31 AM
thanks boss

i think most people hang on to their ada pre amps. it's a great piece of guitar. there are not many high gain amps that handle high gain settings without sounding muddy and compressed.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: MarshallJMP on March 09, 2018, 03:30:11 PM
Do I see a PCM81 in there? how do these sound for guitar?
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on March 09, 2018, 04:24:04 PM
yes sir, that's a pcm 81.
it sounds amazing for guitar. it sounds huge. pain in the ass to program. the manual is like a text book.
very smooth and thick sounding reverbs. I have only scratched surface in terms of program. but the hall reverb patch by itself is already great.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: MarshallJMP on March 10, 2018, 09:55:38 AM
Nice, a PCM is still on my wish list together with that fulltone chorus 
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on March 10, 2018, 12:31:07 PM
Nice, a PCM is still on my wish list together with that fulltone chorus

you will be happy with both of these units.

for the fulltone, I split the left output to stereo and use the eventide to pitch shift. while leaving the right output completely dry with out the pitch shift. this results in a really thick chorus sound. I use the pcm 81 hall reverb to fill both channels up and lastly run it into a g major for delays.

update: eclipse micro pitch is to die for. wow..

last night when i was setting up my rig, i realised i needed more cables. i was stuck at work today and the music store will be closed by the time i get off. call me what you want, but i called my mom to pick up some cables for me. and no, i couldn't wait till tomorrow. i was meeting her for dinner. stereo in stereo out is a pain in the ass.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rnolan on March 11, 2018, 04:45:58 AM
Hey Chamai, a man on a mission  :thumb-up:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on March 11, 2018, 06:20:33 PM
My mission is to finish my rig. My wife is the biggest obstacle.

I'm heading to Taiwan in 2 weeks. I am curious what kind of gear they have. U know most of their stuff is from Japan. Hopefully I can find something interesting
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rnolan on March 12, 2018, 01:05:06 AM
Based on the finds SC has tripped over in Japan, I suspect you''l find some interesting stuff.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on March 12, 2018, 03:29:11 PM
japan is the best place for gear for sure.
but I will in Taiwan, which has a pretty shitty music scene.
I think most guys living there import all there stuff from japan.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chucky on April 12, 2018, 09:51:14 AM
Chiming in late in this conversation...and I still haven't read the whole 17 pages.
Working on it!!  ;)

I would consider GAS being the act to buy gear you really do not need.
I mean, who NEEDS a sixth Les Paul, a tenth Strat, yet another amp or a fourth ADA MP-1??
Looks like I do.

For some reason, there is a great rush to press that Buy it now button and then feel like
you shouldn't have done it but smirk at the idea the thing will show up at your door.
It feels like cheating on your wife actually.
That forbidden unruly wrong thing to do...But so pleasurable!!

I take comfort in the idea that I'd rather go the GAS way than cheating on my wife.

And no matter what, one day, I might sell most of it. So it's not a complete loss.
Especially that most of the gear I buy is high end.
So it ages well.

Lately I've been going in a Boston phase and started buying some of these components
that used to be out of reach monetarily at the time.
Great toys!!   :green-banana-smiley-emoticon:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: GuitarBuilder on April 12, 2018, 02:52:37 PM
Chucky - check out this forum for help with your Boston phase:

https://rockman-gearup.com (https://rockman-gearup.com)
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chip Roberts on April 12, 2018, 03:56:47 PM
Got myself an old Digitech DSP128 for $$35 on Craigslist.  It's, um, not great.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Soloist on April 12, 2018, 04:16:36 PM
Got myself an old Digitech DSP128 for $$35 on Craigslist.  It's, um, not great.
Hahaha, I bought one of those dsp256 a few years back. Wasn't impressed either. Think I sold it 2 weeks later.

Feeling the GAS comming on, thinking of selling a few pieces and picking up a few more. Looking at either an Axe Fx or a Kemper profiler. Alot of coin to slip past the wife though. :dunno:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chip Roberts on April 13, 2018, 03:35:54 PM
It sounds fine, but the programming isn't very intuitive.  It won't allow you to map presets to a different corresponding MIDI number.  Ex: say you want to hit 2 on your footswitch and it turns on 36 on the DSP128.  Where the Digitech is concerned, 2 selects preset 2 and this CANNOT be changed.  It's automatically mapped 1:1, so if you want a preset to correspond to your button then you have to copy it over to that slot.  The only reason I bought this unit was because my SPX90II crapped out (AGAIN) and I needed a backup reverb!
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chucky on April 17, 2018, 10:14:55 AM
Chucky - check out this forum for help with your Boston phase:
https://rockman-gearup.com (https://rockman-gearup.com)
Thanks for the tip. Never thought of trying to find such a forum.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on October 25, 2018, 01:33:09 PM
Latest GAS

Gallien Krueger 2100CPL
Rockman Distortion Generator

and as of today!

Peavey Classic 50/50

Do I need that amp  :???:

Nope I have two fine power amp that are ample for my needs.  Why buy the Peavey  :???:

GAS  :facepalm:  Could be more trouble than it's worth, has 12 tubes!
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chip Roberts on October 25, 2018, 04:41:06 PM
You think that's bad?  My GAS kicked in and I tracked down an old Roland GP8 AND Yamaha SPX90 at Trading Musician!  Thankfully I have a couple paying gigs coming up soon, so maybe if the crowds are big enough, then shopping spree?
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on October 26, 2018, 07:26:22 AM
All GAS is bad, it's total over kill.It's just excessive.  I'd be lying if I said I didn't have stuff I don't need.  I am usually good at selling stuff on that is excess, but sometimes it requires a little motivation.  I always  hang onto some stuff for "just incasey's" lol
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on December 07, 2018, 09:56:38 AM
Haven't been on here awhile. I just moved from Vancouver.bc to Edmonton AB. It's been a crazy few months. Thanks to the stupid hosing prices in Vancouver. We sold and moved into a 3000 plus sqft of living space and an extra condo into rent out from a two bedroom 850 sqft apartment in Vancouver. Waiting for the basement to get some so I can finally have my own jam space. But. I have no friends here haha
Any recent gas people?
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on December 08, 2018, 09:07:40 AM
Only pickup gas my man, I actually have to give up the gas, it's too much.  I really have everything I need.  Pickups is probably the last frontier, as many guitars I owen in need of complimentary neck pickups.  I'm about to try a gas bought Dimarzio Evolution Neck in one axe and see how I like it. Also bought a Tone Zone to try it in an axe.

Hope to move my self sometime, house has been for sale for over a year now.  Might ened up stuck here since the UK is about to go dow the f**king toilet and house prices with it.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Kim on December 08, 2018, 10:31:50 AM
My GAS levels seem to vary often.  I see my gear as one big puzzle, and everything is just a piece of it.  So once I find something I truly like, I really try to keep that and find other pieces.  Right now as of the last few months I'm not completely happy with my speakers/cabs.  I'd love nothing more than to just skip on down to my local guitar shop and purchase a pair of 4x12s, but wow they (Marshall, Mesa, Peavey) are so expensive even used and looking really beat up.  ~1000 USD for a vintage Marshall 4x12 that looks like it was dragged behind a van for an hour is horseshit.  Hell, 1000 USD for a new cab now is horseshit imo.  But hey, each their own I guess.  Your money, your choice.

I should've never gotten rid of my Marshall JCM900 1960A/1960B cabs I bought brand new nearly 20 years ago when the prices were still only 575 USD each.  Stupid "downsizing my rig" ideas I kick myself for....  >:(
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on December 08, 2018, 01:56:57 PM
Man there are some god cheap cabs about, it's worth buying them and then over time swapping the speakers out for better ones.  That's what I did with my Bugera cabs.  And to be honest the first set of Bugera cabs I got, the stock speakers were actually great and probably should have kept them.

Man check out the Harley Benton cab (Thomann own brand) loaded with Vintage 30's

https://www.thomann.de/gb/4x12_guitar_cabinets.html (https://www.thomann.de/gb/4x12_guitar_cabinets.html)

That's a good price.  Shipping if free after certain amount as well, dunno about to the U.S though.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on December 10, 2018, 11:09:25 PM
Only pickup gas my man, I actually have to give up the gas, it's too much.  I really have everything I need.  Pickups is probably the last frontier, as many guitars I owen in need of complimentary neck pickups.  I'm about to try a gas bought Dimarzio Evolution Neck in one axe and see how I like it. Also bought a Tone Zone to try it in an axe.

Hope to move my self sometime, house has been for sale for over a year now.  Might ened up stuck here since the UK is about to go dow the f**king toilet and house prices with it.
where you plan on moving to?
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on December 11, 2018, 10:53:11 AM
Oh I'm not moving country or anything I'm just trying to move somewhere else in the city, somewhere I feel a little safer and have less disturbance at night. I also have a problem neighbour.  So I want to buy a house that is detached as opposed to semi detached.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on December 12, 2018, 01:12:58 AM
Oh I'm not moving country or anything I'm just trying to move somewhere else in the city, somewhere I feel a little safer and have less disturbance at night. I also have a problem neighbour.  So I want to buy a house that is detached as opposed to semi detached.

i know how you feel man. my neighbors were shit when i live in vancouver. i complained to management and they actually contacted the landlord and have them kicked out. i had a few months of peace.

the construction in my building was so shitty that i could hear upstairs talked. i told my wife lets sell and get the fxxk out of here. made a shit ton of money and it and moved
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Soloist on March 27, 2019, 04:47:18 PM
Man I have really been gassing for an Axe Fx, but I have been trying to save some money so I haven't bought anything for awhile.
Currently I have not been happy with my tone. So since I have a few weeks off I thought I might do some experimentation with my current gear.
I ended up putting my G Force in the Mp1 mod4 mkII fx loop. Using it only for gate and parametric eq. I put my G Major 2 after the Mp1 for all my time based effects and Sonic maximizer after that. Mp1 output at 12:00, switched my Mesa 50/50 to lo power setting and cranked it to 9 with presence at 5. Holy cow what a great thick tone!  :headbanger:
If this continues to sound this good I might have to sell my JMP 1, MP2, and MT200. I also removed 3 pedals from my board.
If not I might have to sell everything but the Mp1 and Mesa so I can afford the Axe Fx.
 
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Systematic Chaos on March 27, 2019, 08:37:05 PM
Man I have really been gassing for an Axe Fx, but I have been trying to save some money so I haven't bought anything for awhile.
Currently I have not been happy with my tone. So since I have a few weeks off I thought I might do some experimentation with my current gear.
I ended up putting my G Force in the Mp1 mod4 mkII fx loop. Using it only for gate and parametric eq. I put my G Major 2 after the Mp1 for all my time based effects and Sonic maximizer after that. Mp1 output at 12:00, switched my Mesa 50/50 to lo power setting and cranked it to 9 with presence at 5. Holy cow what a great thick tone!  :headbanger:
If this continues to sound this good I might have to sell my JMP 1, MP2, and MT200. I also removed 3 pedals from my board.
If not I might have to sell everything but the Mp1 and Mesa so I can afford the Axe Fx.

From someone who's been there, done that and got the T-Shirt....
Since the AxeFXIII is out, the used prices for the II have never been better (buyer friendly). The II will replace all your G-Force, GMaj2 and BBE...and then some. Aside from the amp modelling, the Fx are stellar and the routing options are endless. Hook it up 4cm with your MP-1 and your Boogie poweramp and you'll also have the added bonus of a humongeous IR library for direct recording/FOH.
I enjoy the AFXII either on its own or in 4cm with my MkIV, Triaxis, MP1 or V-Twin....
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Zilthy on March 30, 2019, 10:42:17 PM
Latest round of GAS was overkill. Sure, it started innocently enough with an EVH Striped Series.

It went downhill fast.

Charvel San Dimas
EVH 5150 50w el34
Rivera Recording Attenuators
2x Greenbacks
Mission Engineering Genesis H Rack
Boss Katana

All in a two week period. I need to stop

Oops....
Rockron Intellifex
Rocktron Xpression
Voodoo Labs Ground Control.


Okay, I am *done* now!
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rnolan on March 31, 2019, 11:52:23 PM
Go Zilthy, that's quite a few bit of kit  :whoohoo!:   have lots of fun working it all in  ;)
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Soloist on April 01, 2019, 12:41:49 PM
Hey SC, how is the amp and cab modeling on your Axe Fx? I ask because I am considering selling everything including my cabs and getting an Axe fx-II and 2 Fr112 headrush wedges. Simple, easy and with the wedges I dont need a power amp.
Also does it have the feel of a tube amp? I know my old Hd500 didn't, the gsp1101 is better but I dont think it's there yet.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Zilthy on April 01, 2019, 02:41:45 PM
Soloist:  I had the Headrush FRFR112.  About a week before I sent it back.

Admittedly, I was using a Pod HD X with it (And the Axe FX is a *lot* better than that) but I was not impressed with the FRFR at all.  If I were to have stayed that route, I would have ended up looking for a different FRFR amp.  I've used that same setup through other FRFR and liked it a lot better.

However, instead of just getting a different FRFR, I went nuts and got a bunch of tube and rack gear and now selling all of my modeling gear, etc.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Soloist on April 01, 2019, 05:07:54 PM
Filthy, thanks for the heads up. :thumb-up:
Damn I was hoping those would sound excellent. Now I need to do some more research for some good frfr cabs/wedges. I want some stereo separation but dont want to spend a ridiculous
amount. :dunno:

Then again better IR's might have a vast improvement on those headrush wedges.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Zilthy on April 01, 2019, 05:33:03 PM
I dunno, a lot of people seem to like them.  More than don't.  I really wanted to like it, just didn't.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Systematic Chaos on April 01, 2019, 05:49:37 PM
Soloist:  I had the Headrush FRFR112.  About a week before I sent it back.

Admittedly, I was using a Pod HD X with it (And the Axe FX is a *lot* better than that) but I was not impressed with the FRFR at all.  If I were to have stayed that route, I would have ended up looking for a different FRFR amp.  I've used that same setup through other FRFR and liked it a lot better.

However, instead of just getting a different FRFR, I went nuts and got a bunch of tube and rack gear and now selling all of my modeling gear, etc.

I am far from being a Fractal Fanboy.....that being said, especially after the latest FW Update for the AxeFx II (which included the Axe III modelling), the Amp AND Cab modelling is stellar.... I play the Axe on its own either through headphones, Desktop Monitors (Yamaha HS8S) or through an old Rocktron Velocity 150 going into an old Boogie 2x12 Halfback (for the latter i simply use outputs 2 and apply an EQ to compensate for them being non FRFR; Check out Leon Todds video on using a real guitar cab with the AX8: https://youtu.be/QooyCU8x73g (https://youtu.be/QooyCU8x73g))
The best (subjective, to my ears) FRFR I've heard and played with the AFX are the Matrix ones (http://usa.matrixamplification.com/speakers.html?___SID=U (http://usa.matrixamplification.com/speakers.html?___SID=U))
The best bang for the buck FRFR for modellers are imho the Laney IRT-X which sound phenomenal at that pricepoint (https://www.laney.co.uk/products/ironheart-irt-x-active-cabinet (https://www.laney.co.uk/products/ironheart-irt-x-active-cabinet))
With all of the above, I get a real awesome "amp in the room" sound and feel.

As I said above, I enjoy the AFX either on its own or in 4cm combination with any of my real (Pre)Amps. In terms of tone consistency and travel ergonomics (and the inner urge to tinker with a gazillion of parameters to tailor-shape my tones) I'm dead-on set on the AxeFX philosophy, either it being the AxeFX II, III or AX8.

I could sell all my Tube and Analog gear and I'd still be more than happy and satisfied with AFX on its own. But I still do love my Boogies, ADAs, Digitechs, Carvins and pedals and I'm fortunate enough that neither my job nor my CINC Homefleet (wife) make all of it mutually exclusive. I call all of my gear "practical art" and the family agrees.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Zilthy on April 02, 2019, 08:54:44 AM
Those AxeFX II are *really* nice.  The Line 6 stuff pales in comparison, and I think it is largely due to the 'quality' of speaker modeling.   The POD HD unit I have sounds a *lot* better through the DT25 and Mesa 2x12 I have (by an order of magnitude) than it does through any FRFR system.  You can get decent tones from it for sure, but it's a lot more work.

If I were still gigging, I probably would have looked closer at going with the Axe FX II and an FRFR setup for portability.  I was playing with my setup in 3 or more different places each week at the time. That was the reason I moved fully to Line 6 at the time, pedalboard and wedge and done.  Well, that and living in a 250 square foot studio apartment.

I have to admit, that my latest rig build was largely due to "I want a 1/2 stack". I figured, I'm 50, I've been playing over 30 years, I am just going to have what I want. :D

I *did* make a concession though, it's a pretty small 1/2 stack being a 2x12 instead of 4x12, but it's got the same feel and vibe so I am really happy with it.

I did think about just getting pedals, but after looking around, I realized that for the price of just a couple pedals, I could score a couple of used rack units.  Which also solves another issue, I *really* hate running cords all over the place.  Just 1 midi cable from amp/rack over to my feet (midi phantom power over 7 pin).  Well, there is the guitar cable, but sometimes I go wireless too.

It's fairly portable, being a small head although the cab is pretty heavy being an oversized vertical 2x12.  But it looks *so* cute!!!!!

I think I would have been happy with the sound going the Axe FX route with a good FRFR, but it's not a 1/2 stack.  It would have been more versatile, a little more portable, but it wouldn't have been a 1/2 stack.

Did I mention I really wanted 1/2 stack?  :D
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Soloist on April 02, 2019, 10:09:27 AM
Lol, funny you should mention the 1/2 stack Zilthy. That's what I wanted for a long time as well, along with a rack setup. It's a far cry from my combo days. Now being 50 as well lugging 4 - 2x12 slant stacks a 21 ru rack plus a pedal board just isn't feasible. Now looking at the frfr and Axe fx 2 route. As you mentioned portability, simplicity and versatility are key. :headbanger:
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Zilthy on April 02, 2019, 12:56:13 PM
For sure.  At that 50 point as well.  Which is why I am making the concession to:  (1) 2x12. (1) Head (1) 4U rack.  None of them are overly obnoxious.  Well, the cab is, but it has wheels. :D

If I have stairs to deal with (especially carrying alone) then it's the Boss Katana.  :D. Which I love because it's small, portable, and sounds decent.  Which I hate, because it's not a 1/2 stack.  :D
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on April 20, 2019, 01:42:13 AM
GAS hit again.. dumped my g major and got a pcm 90

(https://i.imgur.com/dRQ3lW1.jpg)
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Zilthy on April 20, 2019, 02:15:41 PM
Nice Chamai! 

I've only heard/used the lower end Lexicons, but they sure sound great!

During this last round of GAS, I took a different route.  I just bought a whole bunch of stuff at once, then started returning/selling the stuff I didn't keep.  Rocktron Xpression,  Rocktron Intellifex, ISP Decimator Rack Pro G, Lexicon MPX1, Lexicon MPX G2.

And would up sticking with what I already had, and Pod HD Pro X.   Which I might or might not someday upgrade to a Helix or Axe FX 2.  In reality though, it's all overkill for me.   90% of the time I only use a noise gate and delay.   I rarely use other effects.  If it weren't for the fact I use different delay settings between clean/crunch/lead sounds I probably could get away with a couple of pedals in the loop.  And it is nice to have a couple of other effects on tap.

The MPZ G2 would probably have one and stayed in the rack if it had a slightly different form factor, just not quite so deep.   Silly or not, with this rig build I wanted a small rack to go with my head, and sit either on or between and just look and be part of the stack.  So that limits rack depth to 12" eliminating the Lexicon.

The other requirement was 1 cable out to controller pedal.  Lexicon hit that being able to do MIDI phantom power, and it actually is above the Axe FX II and Helix (As well as the HD Pro X is) having a built in expression pedal.  I run wireless, and I don't really want to run a bunch of guitar cables, power cables, etc out to the controller board.

If my 2FX I have were MIDI capable, I would drop everything in a heartbeat, and just run that and a gate.

Hmmm..... rechargeable wireless MIDI controller.... now there's a thought!

At least keeping with my Pod HD Pro X keeps it down to a sane level, but it's still a quite a bit of gear over a couple weeks.

EVH Striped Series (First purchase and catalyst for everything)
Charvel San Dimas (I loved the feel of the EVH better than any guitar I own, even my hand made custom 'Zilth' and a review said the San Dimas felt very close, and they do.  Plus, a bit more versatile, a little less Eddie, and going with a white one, I can pay some tribute to Warren too!  Currently replacing the chrome hardware with black, then will design some graphics)
EVH 5150 III el34 50w head (Light, and 3 great channels.  Really considered going back to MP1, but that would have moved to a larg(er) rack setup which I wanted to avoid)
Mission Engineering Genesys H Rack (12"). (Same width and length as head, sits nicely on the stack and looks good.  Replaced the chrome hardware with black to match the head and cab.  Removed the two handles on the top sides and replaced with one in the middle going lenghtwise so it stacks nice also black hardware to match)
Mesa Boogie 2x12 Recto Vertical (Swapped out the V30s for Greenbacks).
Rivera Rock Crusher Recording (Just because!  Wow, I am *very* impressed with that attenuator, and it's cab sims for recording)

A fairly sizeable chunk to plunk down at once still, even though everything but the rack was either used or decently discounted display models, but I still have a bunch of gear and guitars to sell to defray some of the costs.

And I have exactly the rig I was looking for!







Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chamai on April 21, 2019, 12:30:34 AM
Nice Chamai! 

I've only heard/used the lower end Lexicons, but they sure sound great!

During this last round of GAS, I took a different route.  I just bought a whole bunch of stuff at once, then started returning/selling the stuff I didn't keep.  Rocktron Xpression,  Rocktron Intellifex, ISP Decimator Rack Pro G, Lexicon MPX1, Lexicon MPX G2.

And would up sticking with what I already had, and Pod HD Pro X.   Which I might or might not someday upgrade to a Helix or Axe FX 2.  In reality though, it's all overkill for me.   90% of the time I only use a noise gate and delay.   I rarely use other effects.  If it weren't for the fact I use different delay settings between clean/crunch/lead sounds I probably could get away with a couple of pedals in the loop.  And it is nice to have a couple of other effects on tap.

The MPZ G2 would probably have one and stayed in the rack if it had a slightly different form factor, just not quite so deep.   Silly or not, with this rig build I wanted a small rack to go with my head, and sit either on or between and just look and be part of the stack.  So that limits rack depth to 12" eliminating the Lexicon.

The other requirement was 1 cable out to controller pedal.  Lexicon hit that being able to do MIDI phantom power, and it actually is above the Axe FX II and Helix (As well as the HD Pro X is) having a built in expression pedal.  I run wireless, and I don't really want to run a bunch of guitar cables, power cables, etc out to the controller board.

If my 2FX I have were MIDI capable, I would drop everything in a heartbeat, and just run that and a gate.

Hmmm..... rechargeable wireless MIDI controller.... now there's a thought!

At least keeping with my Pod HD Pro X keeps it down to a sane level, but it's still a quite a bit of gear over a couple weeks.

EVH Striped Series (First purchase and catalyst for everything)
Charvel San Dimas (I loved the feel of the EVH better than any guitar I own, even my hand made custom 'Zilth' and a review said the San Dimas felt very close, and they do.  Plus, a bit more versatile, a little less Eddie, and going with a white one, I can pay some tribute to Warren too!  Currently replacing the chrome hardware with black, then will design some graphics)
EVH 5150 III el34 50w head (Light, and 3 great channels.  Really considered going back to MP1, but that would have moved to a larg(er) rack setup which I wanted to avoid)
Mission Engineering Genesys H Rack (12"). (Same width and length as head, sits nicely on the stack and looks good.  Replaced the chrome hardware with black to match the head and cab.  Removed the two handles on the top sides and replaced with one in the middle going lenghtwise so it stacks nice also black hardware to match)
Mesa Boogie 2x12 Recto Vertical (Swapped out the V30s for Greenbacks).
Rivera Rock Crusher Recording (Just because!  Wow, I am *very* impressed with that attenuator, and it's cab sims for recording)

A fairly sizeable chunk to plunk down at once still, even though everything but the rack was either used or decently discounted display models, but I still have a bunch of gear and guitars to sell to defray some of the costs.

And I have exactly the rig I was looking for!

thanks bro.
Lexicon is the way to go for reverbs. I prefer my pcm 90 over my pcm 81 for reverbs. I thought the 81 was amazing until i hooked up the 90. I use my 81 as a dedicated delay unit. I still need to get a ground control or something. I hate pressing buttons for patch change. But i have been focusing on just completing all my fx the past 3 years. I thought about picking up the axefx but i think using it for silent practising and minimal recording is a waste. I am not a versatile player that needs a crap ton of different sounds. Its  a great tool for recording and silent playing.
after i get my ground control, i will get bob bradshaw to make me one of those head switchers with midi and built- in load. I am going to add my JCM 800, Laney AOR, and pick up some fender head to complete my setup. BTW, these AOR's rock.  :headbanger: 

(https://i.imgur.com/437AmXp.jpg?1)

seems like we both have a large round of GAS recently. Can't imagine how much money you spent. Good to see a fellow rockcrusher user here. Mine is just the attenuator version, not as cool as yours haha.

just picked up one of these new Gibson J45 sustainables.

(https://i.imgur.com/siVPtEW.jpg?1)
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: MarshallJMP on April 21, 2019, 04:18:18 AM
Hey Zilthy

You say "If my 2FX I have were MIDI capable" what do you mean, just to get it to switch with midi? or do you want more?
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Zilthy on April 21, 2019, 10:39:40 AM
Hey Zilthy

You say "If my 2FX I have were MIDI capable" what do you mean, just to get it to switch with midi? or do you want more?

Just switching would be all I need.  Obviously, being able to change delay time and level between rhythm and solos would be great, but also not very realistic.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rnolan on April 21, 2019, 10:45:00 PM
 :whoohoo!: nice gear you guys are getting into  :thumb-up: , just looked up the J45 price, they are $4k ish AUD here, nice looking guitar, @ Chamai, how does it sound ?
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: MarshallJMP on April 22, 2019, 09:55:41 AM
Hey Zilthy

You say "If my 2FX I have were MIDI capable" what do you mean, just to get it to switch with midi? or do you want more?

Just switching would be all I need.  Obviously, being able to change delay time and level between rhythm and solos would be great, but also not very realistic.

Well I was already thinking of making something so you can use midi to switch it.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Zilthy on April 22, 2019, 08:26:14 PM
Hey Zilthy

You say "If my 2FX I have were MIDI capable" what do you mean, just to get it to switch with midi? or do you want more?

Just switching would be all I need.  Obviously, being able to change delay time and level between rhythm and solos would be great, but also not very realistic.

Well I was already thinking of making something so you can use midi to switch it.

Cool.  Are you thinking of an external controller and using it's normal controller line, or something more onboard?  You've got me thinking, I wonder if something could be prototyped using a Raspberry PI.   It would be helpful to know what the actual controller is actually doing.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: MarshallJMP on April 23, 2019, 06:49:42 AM
I was thinking of a external controller, power supplied by the 2fx. A pi would be overkill for this, I was thinking of a 8 bit PIC controller and making a small pcb.
The 2FX is voltage controlled. Also I was thinking that it would be great if I could find a way to make the 2FX stereo.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Chip Roberts on May 02, 2019, 10:59:43 AM
Just picked up Jon Levin's Marshall from a buddy of mine who wasn't using it.  He's letting me borrow it for an indefinite period of time.  Vintage JCM800 with an extra gain stage, a fat switch, and one other mod that I don't recall.  Slaved my MP1 to the front end and, honestly, my Valvestate does a bang-up job in comparison to emulating a real Marshall power section.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Zilthy on May 15, 2019, 05:49:28 PM
So.... I've been playing the last couple of months, still rotating gear around, mostly happy with setup.   But, I've been thinking "I really do miss a 4x12"

And my 2x12 is a good 2x12 (Mesa Boogie Recto Vertical) currently with Greenbacks in, but still have the V30s for it.  But, it's not a 4x12.

And I keep thinking about that EVH 4x12 that has the G12EVH speakers (Basically heritage greenbacks).  And I remind myself, there is no way I will fit that cab in my car (a Beetle).

Well, I held out for a couple of months.  I ordered the cab the other night.  It will be here tomorrow.  I went in the following morning and bought a van.  To haul the amp.  To rehearsals and gigs.  That I might or might not ever play.  Or even know if I want to join a band again.

But, I now have a 4x12.  And can haul it!

EDIT:  In fairness, the vehicle switch is also saving me almost $200 / month between payments and insurance.  So, there is that, but I find it amusing I can trace that decision back to GAS.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: van Sinn on May 16, 2019, 01:01:59 AM
Powerful currency is..
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on July 06, 2019, 07:57:49 AM
So I got me one of these to provide me with a very small noise reduction solution.  Even smaller than my half rack boss NS-50.

http://www.rocktron.com/guitar-silencer.html (http://www.rocktron.com/guitar-silencer.html)

I heard these were a forgotten/hidden gem in the world of noise reduction, and I have to say, I've very impressed so far.  Anyone ever tried one?  I like it a lot, it's very transparent.  I've never used a noise gate that actually lets you able to play with the threshold up max!  Of course using proper settings I only need it up about a 3rd of the way. 

Here is a question for you all:

When I was using the NS-50 I had my guitar going through the guitar In,  then the guitar out would go into the Boss GX700 input.  Then the GX700 send would go to my rockmaster input.  Rockmaster output Would go to the GX700 return, then the GX700 left and right outputs would go to the amp.

In your opinions, would I have encountered some loss of tone using it this way?

I found it sounded better taking the NS-50 out all together and using the GX700 noise reduction instead.  I seemed to get a bit more body to the sound.  Would this be because of how I had it setup?  Or because the NS-50 doesn't like being put through an FX processor input and then a preamp and would prefer to just go right to the preamp??  Just curious as it looks like I'm taking the ns-50 out.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rnolan on July 07, 2019, 01:57:53 AM
Hey RG, looks like a nice unit  :thumb-up: .  IIRC lots of others here use the rack version. Everything you go through will change the sound a bit and also add noise.  The better units are typically more transparent and less noisy than others.  Hence the whole true bypass thing which means your signal is passed straight through without any influence from the unit.  Where to put the Hush depends where the majority of the noise comes from.  eg if you are using lots of gain in the Rock Master you could wrap the hush around it ie GX700 send > hush in > hush send > Rock Master in > Rock Master out > hush return > hush out > GX700 return.  This will quieten the Rock Master.  The hush pedal seems designed to be "wrapped" around something noisy eg distortion pedal (which is basically what you are using the Rock Master for).  If the majority of your tone/distortion comes from the Rock Master and you basically use the GX700 for FX and to go stereo then you may get a better result by wrapping the hush around the Rock Master and following it with the GX700 ie Guit > Hush in > Hush send > Rock Master in > Rock Master out > Hush return > Hush out > GX700 in > GX700 out > amp > cabs. This should be better gain structure but depends what you need from the GX700, if it's just FX then this is the way I'd do it.  MJMP (and others) use NR at the input and then again on the output, IIRC his unit has 2 independent NR circuits.
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rabidgerry on July 07, 2019, 07:05:19 AM
Hi Richard,

The roctron isn't what's making the noise.  The rocktron is the noise gate.  This model is called the silencer.

There is a Silencer rack version as well but doesn't seem to be anywhere near as common as the pedal.  I do understand how to use the device, noisy items get placed in the Rocktrons loop. 

What I was asking was would the way I hooked up my old noise reduction/gate unit have may be contributed to loss of tone?

So I run the gx700 in 4 cable mode I guess.

But incorporated into this I used an external noise gate called the Boss NS-50.  The NS-50 works by plugging the guitar straight in, then it has an output (basically exactly the same as the IPS33).  So I would send the guitar out of the ns-50 to the input of the GX700 (which means I could still use the compressor or wah effects if I ever wanted) and then the GX700 send to my Peavy Rockmaster.  The rockmaster output would then run into the NS-50 input.  Then the NS-50 output would run back into the GX700 return.

So I was just wondering would this have affected the sound much?

Technically I will be using the Silencer in the exact same way.

The guitar needs to go through the pedal first for it to read the signal to understand when to open and close the gate.  Basically follows the signal.  I have heard of this method referred to as "the key" on compressors and rack noise gates.  To act as a trigger if you will.

Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: rnolan on July 08, 2019, 05:45:28 AM
Hey RG, sorry, replace all "roctron" with Peavy Rockmaster (my bad  :facepalm: ) is what I meant (post edited).  I also didn't realise (until now) the NS-50 is stereo (2 ch). So they way you have it is mixing up gains a bit ie inst level on NS-50 ch1 > GX700 in inst level, RM out line level to NS-50 ch2 in and ch2 out (line level ?) to GX700 return,  So NS-50 is running inst level on ch1 and line level on ch2. Try removing  either (or both) NS-50 ch's from the set up and see if it changes the tone  :dunno: .
Title: Re: dealing with GAS
Post by: Kim on August 06, 2019, 07:29:28 AM
In my experience, every Rocktron thing I've owned has always been really great stuff.  The only reason I don't still have the Hush Super C rack unit is because I went through a "downsizing" period years ago and basically swapped the Hush and the MP-1 for an MP-2 since the MP-2 has a Gate built into it.  Anyway......

Finally got V30s in my 4x12 "MegaCab" and feeling really good about that.  All the other speakers I've been putting in there have been OK, but always that little nagging voice in my head saying "I want V30s dammit"  lol   
MegaCab is a beast.  I have it wired in a way that allows a bit more versatility than the Standard Issue stereo wiring config; it actually has 3 jacks instead of 2.  The top two speakers are wired separate from the bottom two (like stereo tipped over on its side) and then those top two are wired in stereo themselves.  A switching jack lets me choose between a "stereo" top or "mono" top, depending on if I plug one cable in or two.  It's confusing in text, but I have a stereo poweramp and another mono poweramp  that run simultaneously.  I'd much prefer to send the mono mellotron/organ signal to it's own 4x12 (like we do at practice/rehearsals) and the stereo guitar signals to MegaCab, but some venues is overkill for me to run two 4x12 cabs.  It is weird to have to run three speaker cables to either just the one custom cab or to two cabs and the fact that my poweramp (Peavey Classic 60/60) is a stereo one and not mono is the problem.  :crazy:

So now I want a different poweramp.   :facepalm:   Plenty of choices there, only limited by the money I (don't) have to spend.  :lol:   I'm clearly at my spending cap and I really cannot spend any more money on gear for the band unless I shift things to do so.   :-\