I just played a gig yesterday with my very small "B" rig which consists only of an MP-2 and an old Carvin DCM150 power amp. These are housed in one of those 2-space padded rack bags which are very shallow, just enough space in back to close behind the units.
I'd played a few gigs with this setup previously, and all went well. At yesterday's gig, we played outside in the sun, and it was very hot and humid. About half way through the first set, my amp started sounding weird. It seemed to lose all body, and had only a very harsh high-end. I remembered reading about something called "thermal distortion", and guessed that something was overheating. When the set ended, I grabbed a screwdriver and took the units out of the rack and placed them on top of the rack (back-to-back since I had only a short cable to connect the two), hoping that the added ventilation might solve the problem. And it did seem to work, as I didn't get that weird tone the rest of the gig.
I'm wondering what I might do to ensure I don't have such a problem again. I'm assuming the problem was in fact overheating, caused by the direct sun, high temps and humidity, and the close, tight rack enclosure which offers virtually no ventilation.
First, which piece do you think was the main source of the problem, the MP-2 or the power amp? If I bought a different rack case, say a 3-space one and put one unit on top and the other on the bottom with a blank space between them, would that likely do the trick? Or maybe another 2 space rack (I'm trying to keep things as small as possible) that is deeper, allowing more air? Maybe a fan of some kind?
Thanks for your thoughts on this!
~Rick
Hey RickeB,
A fan is always a good idea in a rack. I like my rack cases with front and rear rails because I can mount rack panels with fan cutouts in the back and place them where they need to direct air the most. I don't space my rack units apart, so it was planned that way.
Harley 8)
Hey Rick, what a bugger... Was the DCM150 hot when you took them out ? MP2s get very hot and IMO need a little air around them, my guess is that's where most of the heat was coming from (apart from the sun), not sure of the symptoms though, where the bad sound was coming from, maybe the amp ? I've never had that with a MP2 but then I've never put mine quite in that situation (padded bag/rack, sun).
You should be ok with a 2RU normal rack (skb, gator etc). I put my MP2 at the top as then there's a reasonable gap (~3/8" ish) above it for the heat to dissipate. The MP2 is quite a deep unit. I've been looking at racks lately and there seems to be 3 common depths:
Shallow - 10.7" (27.48cm)
SKB ATA cases - 15.94" (40.48cm)
Deep - 17.6" (44.7cm)
The SKB ATAs are the perfect depth, the shallow may not close on the cables comfortably ?? and also has no room for a power board and the deep ones are way to deep.
A 3RU would be nice and give you a space for a multi FX, but then why not 4RU (space for a B200s LoL). My feeling is the padded bag/racks are more designed for low power SS gear, not tubes. With a decent rack you shouldn't need a fan, but it can't hurt, mounting it is another story...or buying a rack with a built in fan $$$ ??
Like R says,those MP-2 get hot after a while so I also have a fan in my rack because else it will overheat.
Hey MJMP, have you ever had a MP2 overheat ? does it go all thin etc like Rick is describing ?
I think the only thing I've got that gets hotter than the MP2 is the B200s, you can cook your breakfast on it...
No that I have not but it warms up my MP-1 and it will give me a gain loss. So I put a fan in front of my rack and it stays very cool. But I also have 17 units in my rack so there's some heat inside. That's why I don't like to put in a power amp, IMO best is to put power amps in a different rack.
I have not encountered this yet but last few shows I noticed my rig was warm and as a safe guard I would like to know how prevent the situation before it happens to me some day.
How do you get a fan inside your rack without causing noise? What size of fan? Are their special rack fans?
http://rackfans.com/
Here you can see rack fans, but you could make something yourself.
Don't overlook the simplest solutions. :banana-skipping-rope-smiley-e
You could always just use a normal BOX FAN (http://www.ruralking.com/camair-20-3-speed-box-fan-bx100.html) and position it somewhere close behind your rack, blowing into it or up at it. The rackmount fan might be better only because it stays with the rack after installation, but a good box fan works very well. They are usually inexpensive in "big box" stores.... and you might already have one or two of these already! While they're fairly quiet, you might not want them in the studio. Onstage will be just fine though.
I just use one of these cheap clip fans. Clip it in the back of the rig, plug into the furman. Nice and cool!
I'm planning on getting some PC-Fans. And then just plugging them into a 12V DC Wall-Wart
Some of them are pretty silent but still have a decent air flow.
On my PowerAmp (Brunetti Rockit)I replaced the original fans with Noctua Fans. Much more quiet and better cooling :thumb-up:
For the moment I'm also using a box fan, but in front of my rig and it works very good.
I use those clip on fans in the back of my tube amps. That helps the air flow in the old Fender Twins :thumb-up:
Harley 8)
The clip-on fan seems like a great idea (and inexpensive :) )! Thanks for all the discussion!
Quote from: rickeb1 on July 21, 2016, 09:13:58 AM
The clip-on fan seems like a great idea (and inexpensive :) )! Thanks for all the discussion!
I too second the clip fan idea. That's a superb solution Soloist.
One would do me right? You power it of you Power Conditioner?
I see one on shebay for £9.99, that a good or bad price? That's $13.
Quote from: rabidgerry on July 21, 2016, 01:22:36 PM
I too second the clip fan idea. That's a superb solution Soloist.
Thirded. lol Maybe the best idea all around. I will get one of those asap.
I can either plug it into the power conditioner, or into the outlet available on the back of my MT200 while clipping the fan right to the back of the rack itself.
Hey RG,
You can pick up fans like that at any cheap dry goods shop that sells small appliances. They don't have to be particularly expensive because no matter which one you get, after a certain amount of time, the plastic clips break. So, the cheaper the better. I usually look at places like Dollar General here where they only cost $5.00-$8.00 USD.
Then again, I only use these type of fans on the back of my tube amps. You don't have to plug them into you power conditioner, you can plug them into any available outlet in the back of your rack since everything there is already plugged into your conditioner.
Harley 8)
Yeah I buy the cheap ones too, like $8.00 USD. I only plug into the power conditioner for the convenience of the outlet is right there. I usually get 2 years life out of one.
Oh yeah I know I can plug in anywhere but I was just thinking for convenience as well, everything going of the PC would be great. I have to see if I can find one cheaper then as the one I saw was 13 not 8 dollars (talking in your money as it was actually in pound sterling.)
Oh Yes,
I know you were talking in pounds, I just don't know the conversion rate these days. It seems the pound Sterling has dropped a bit from what I used to know it. It's been a long time since I was in England, and the Pound was worth $2.20 USD back then.
You should be able to find them for almost half that price though.
Harley 8)