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Miscellaneous => Discussions => Topic started by: Chamai on June 25, 2016, 06:21:26 PM
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picked up an early jcm 800 canadian model. i wish i knew what year it was. man, this thing is louder than any other 100 watter i have ever owned. my only complaint is, its got no 16 ohm switch. stupid canadian laws. :canadian-flag-banana-smiley-e the matching 8 ohm 4x12 is at the store.
did i say this thing is loud?
and also a nice jcm 900 MKIII combo.
picked up a 1 watt jcm 800, then someone traded in a 100 watt a few days later. so i returned it back to the store, huge difference.
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goodbye
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http://www.superiormusic.com/page024.html
Just look at the serial nr,it has one letter in it and then compare it on the link i gave you.
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i got myself a 1984.
i love it when amps are older than me.
Hey Marshall JMP, need your help
i want to re amp this head into my JCM 900 50 watter.
I have a rockcrusher that i can use as a load box. since the jcm 800 has no fx loop, anyway i can just only the pre amp on the jcm 800?
i am thinking about the matching cab. i am going to double check if hey are g12-65's.
do you have any experiences with them? how to they compare to vintage 30's? i am not a fan of the g12-75s coz they sound too scooped.
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Go Chamai, nice acquisitions :thumb-up: , So what's the deal with not being able to have a 16ohm tap ? :dunno: That's got to be one of the strangest things I ever heard. I wonder if there is still a 16om tap on the output tranny ? (probably)
I know what you mean about loud, without a power soak my 72 50w seems to exceed local strategic armament regulations LoL Have to operate it by remote control from space (like Disaster Area (Hitch Hikers Guide, book 3- Restaurant at the End of the Universe) >:D .
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Go Chamai, nice acquisitions :thumb-up: , So what's the deal with not being able to have a 16ohm tap ? :dunno: That's got to be one of the strangest things I ever heard. I wonder if there is still a 16om tap on the output tranny ? (probably)
I know what you mean about loud, without a power soak my 72 50w seems to exceed local strategic armament regulations LoL Have to operate it by remote control from space (like Disaster Area (Hitch Hikers Guide, book 3- Restaurant at the End of the Universe) >:D .
some stupid canadian law back then. damn hard to find an 8ohm marshall cab. i need it because my attenuator only has 8 and 16 ohm. from what ive read, there is no 16 ohm tap on the tranny. i cant play this amp without an attenuator. it's just insanely loud. my jcm 900 is a joke compared to it in terms of volume.
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Yep ,they were worried that the cable would catch fire or something like that because on the 16 ohm tap the voltage would exceed 40V and that's why there's no 16 ohm tap on it.And there also more fuses inside these Canadian heads.
So you want to hookup the load to the jcm800 and then take the attentuated signal and feed that into the jcm900 poweramp section ?I would not go to the front input, it will alter the sound too much.
The 800's,you have to set them loud to get both the preamp and power amp distortion.They don't sound so good at low volumes unless you put a boost in front of it like a TS-9 or an SD-1.
I also have a JCM800 from 81 (so first production year) and I also have the original cab for it with the G12 65 speakers in it.The 65 sounds like the V30 but it doesn't have the highs of the V30.So it's actually a warmer sounding V30 IMO.
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Awesome!! Congrats man!!
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Yep ,they were worried that the cable would catch fire or something like that because on the 16 ohm tap the voltage would exceed 40V and that's why there's no 16 ohm tap on it.And there also more fuses inside these Canadian heads.
So you want to hookup the load to the jcm800 and then take the attentuated signal and feed that into the jcm900 poweramp section ?I would not go to the front input, it will alter the sound too much.
The 800's,you have to set them loud to get both the preamp and power amp distortion.They don't sound so good at low volumes unless you put a boost in front of it like a TS-9 or an SD-1.
I also have a JCM800 from 81 (so first production year) and I also have the original cab for it with the G12 65 speakers in it.The 65 sounds like the V30 but it doesn't have the highs of the V30.So it's actually a warmer sounding V30 IMO.
gonna prob try to line out of my attenuator into the jcm 900 fx loop return and run a 16ohm cab that way.
the matching cab at the store came with g12t75;s. so i am gonna pass on that.
few things i can do.
use my jcm 900 as a slave.
buy a weber z matcher (cheapest route)
buy another orange 2x12 so i can run 8ohms. rockcrusher has 2 speaker outputs :whoohoo!:
find an old marshall cab with g12t65. saw 2 for sale locally a few months ago.
i am dying to try out the 65 speaker though. i like the bite and attack on the v30s, but the jcm 800 has a lot highs.
for now, i am stuck using my mesa recto cab.
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Nice acquisitions! I love the tone from a JCM800! :metal:
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yea man. i was so happy to find a near mint jcm 800.
man, i want a matching cab.
i think g12t75 speakers work pretty well with this amp.
i wish i had the extra $$$$$$ for the matching cab..
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JCM 800's are amazing amps, that tone is hard to beat!
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JCM 800's are amazing amps, that tone is hard to beat!
hell yea. paid $1250 canadian for it.
a lot of money, but i had to. ive never seen one in this condition. the metal switches makes it even better.
not much love the jcm 900 series for some reason. i think they are amazing.
i kinda miss my dual reverb.
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not much love the jcm 900 series for some reason. i think they are amazing.
I'm not sure why, I guess it could be that since the 800's are such a legendary amp the 900's didn't stack up. I've never played a 900 so I can't vouch for it's tone.
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The JCM800 serie was the last best amp line that Marshall made, since then it's going downhill.
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The JCM800 serie was the last best amp line that Marshall made, since then it's going downhill.
I know a LOT of people swear by the Jubilee Series, some akin it to a hodtrodded 800. But like the 900, I've not played one myself.
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I have a jcm 900 and i love it, but then i've never played through an 800.
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Youjust can't compare the 900 with the 800,not in sound nor in quality of the parts used.
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quality wise, jcm 800 hands down.
as for sound, it is really personal preference. certain times, i do prefer my mkiii. my jcm 2000 sounds like a compared to my 800 and 900. the 2000 didn't have the balls compared to the older stuff. the green channel was good for crunch, but not enough gain. the red channel had loads of gain, but no balls and doesn't have that signature marshall sound. it was trying to be too versatile and i think it ended up being kinda shitty. the MP1 destroys the jcm 2000 imo. its got better marshall tones and way more versatile just because of the different voicing it has.
i am all about single channel marshalls.
a local vintage guitar store has a marshall major. i didn't see it but they said it is near mint. they want roughly 2000 bucks canadian for it. they are going to redo some caps and do a full service before selling it.
what you guys think? i have no use for it, but sounds like a cool piece to have.
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Marshall Major! :bow: :bow: :bow:
Go for it! If I had the scratch for it, I'd definitely buy it!
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Well Marshall majors are pretty rare, I never saw one.I know there are 2 versions,the pig that only has 3 knobs and 2 inputs and a second one that has the 6 knobs and 4 inputs.
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If you want that old Ritchie Blackmore, Deep Purple-era tone, then go for it! (But you have to get the cabs to match it)
Harley 8)
P.S. Get ear plugs too!
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Joe Perry uses a couple of them live, with about 10 other amps! Supposedly he keeps the all on too... :dunno:
Just don't run a talk box through it, Joe said in an interview he tried it once and he thought it was gonna rattle his teeth out! :lol:
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gonna head down to the store to look at it.
not really a collector, but i do have a thing for rare amps.
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gonna head down to the store to look at it.
not really a collector, but i do have a thing for rare amps.
my shopping list:
weber z matcher
8ohm marshall cab
suhr line out box - not sure if it will be any better than my attenuator's line out.
marshall mono block - gonna line out from my jcm 800 so i can run fx and my MP1
some kind of orange head to match my cab.
gonna start saving.
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some kind of orange head to match my cab.
gonna start saving.
Cant go wrong with an old OR120
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Cant go wrong with an old OR120
I used to have one of those. Louder than hell, but very one-dimensional sounding.
Harley 8)
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I used to have one of those. Louder than hell, but very one-dimensional sounding.
Harley 8)
I believe it, but there is just something about that foggy tone.
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I used to have one of those. Louder than hell, but very one-dimensional sounding.
Harley 8)
I believe it, but there is just something about that foggy tone.
Those amps were just Hiwatts in a different covering ;D
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really want to try a hiwatt now you mention it. rarely anyone sells them.
looking on reverb and evilbay.
which ones should i look for? i need gain.
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I tried a Hi-Watt a long time ago, and gain wasn't it's strong suite, back then anyway, it was a very "clean" amp.
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Yep Hiwatt's stay clean even at high volumes.But they are great amps,very pedal friendly.
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Hey MJMP, that was my take on it also, a great amp if you have a bunch of pedals, probably work well with a MP1. And I always liked the look of them, though the small writing Marshalls are my fav for looks.
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looking at the hiwatt hi gain 50. i really wish i could take it for a test drive for a few days. but i never seen any old hiwatts in stores.
hair metal amps is my thing.
i was wondering, besides jcm 800 and ada mp1. what are some good hair metal amps? i want them all
i know the mesa mk3's are alright
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Marshall JMP-1 :thumb-up:
For hair metal cleans a Roland JC 120.
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Marshall JMP-1 :thumb-up:
For hair metal cleans a Roland JC 120.
I love how some people love the JC until they realize its not a valve amp, then they turn their nose up at it. It's a great sounding amp (for cleans), but I've always loved the sound of a Fender Twin...
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Wow I'm getting old.. I remember when the JC120 came out. It was popular with jazz players and had a nice reverb IIRC. In Australia back then the rock apes were using Marshalls, Lenard (http://lenardaudio.com/history.html). Not everything made it out here, small population and a long way to ship it. I saw the occasional Hi-Watt (quite rare here) and pedals were in their early stages (MXR phase 45/90, Electro harmonics memory man delay (early TC ? I think)), and just as rare Ampeg. a few Wasp amps and from my home town BAEZ amps (http://www.ozvalveamps.org/baez.htm), now these were ahead of their time, very Marshall "like" amp but better (in the day), first amp I saw with a master vol. I used to hang out at the BAEZ Music shop every Wednesday arvo an chat with Mick Sampson and his wife (I was 15 ish). My English teacher at high school had a BAEZ bass head which I used to borrow, sounded great for guitar. Also these were the first amps I'd seen with PCBs. This is when I initially had the idea of separate tube preamp and poweramp (along came ADA many years later doing just that). I suggested the idea to Mick but he wanted to build heads. A bit off the track, this is all pre hair metal
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Another 80's non-tube is a Gallien Krueger 212SC. Beautiful sounding amp. I have been thinking about picking up a JC 120 for some time now. Queensryche used them for all their cleans prior to the Empire lp. Superb chorusy reverb soaked cleans....mmmmmmm :thumb-up:
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They were mostly clean back in the day, but would overdrive at higher volumes. That was the problem. They were louder than hell to begin with, but to get the overdrive to sustain for you, you had to crank them up even more.
If you are looking for that kind of over drive tone but at a more manageable volume level, I can make two recommendations;
Orange makes a lower powered head these days, that is smaller than a standard head in an all metal case, (I forgot the model number). This is a pretty true sounding head that is around 30 watts I believe, and sounds very much like my old OR-120.
The other option is to get a Monarch Overdrive pedal made by Earthquaker Devices. This is a very good reproduction of that sound but it's a lot lighter than getting another amp head.
Harley 8)
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i actually worked for roland for a few months years ago. but i wasn't really into guitar back then. should of bought myself a jc 120.
i am using a yamaha g100-212 for cleans, its not bad at all.
anyone know why jmp-1 fetch more money than mp1's?
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had a pair of old g12t75 speakers that were in my mk3 combo. thank god they are 16ohm. took the v30's out of my orange cab and hook these up in parallel. they work great with the jcm800. i prefer these over the v30's to be honest.
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I suspect that the JMP-1s are more expensive than MP1s because of the brand ? just my guess, while we are all over the ADA gear many I talk to have not heard of them, or vaguely know of them.
The single ADA slant split stack I bought from a pawn shop has 2 x g12m70s in it. I wired it to be stereo (2x16ohm) or mono 8ohm). I use it when I don't want to lug my main slant split stack pair (which have boogie celestion 90w 12s in them). I quite like the g12ms though I saw a few posts etc where they don't like them. I imagine the g12t75s are similar. Each to their own but I like them :thumb-up:
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i feel it really depends on the amp.
certain amps, i would use v30's.
for hair metal, i think 12 75's rule. i think the mp1 works well with these speakers because it scoops out the mids a little.
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@ Chamai,
The JMP-1 only has a higher price tag because of the name...I certainly isn't because of the tone :nono:
@ Rnolan,
Your ADA cab didn't have the stock speakers in it then. Obviously, someone didn't like the G-1250's that it came with.
Harley 8)
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Hey Harley, yeah it's a strange one, a friend spotted it in a Cash Convertors (pawn shop) store so I bought it. First there was only one cab (unusual for an ADA rig, but this is a glorified pawn shop). All the screws for the top speaker were all wrong, they'd used the grill screws to mount it :crazy: (I use the word loosely as it was very loose LoL). It was a US made cab but with no front nameplate. My other 2 were made here under license and have very slightly different construction around the jack sockets/plate. So I fixed the screw issue :thumb-up: , then used the 2 jacks (one jack (of 3) was missing, again go figure ?) and re-wired it, both jacks inserted > stereo one jack > mono. And in the process discovered they were g12m 70w.
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Oh Boy :amaze:
I guess I can understand your position there. It's slim pickings for ADA gear in Australia, so I can see why it was worth all the bother you had to go through to set yourself up with Split-Stacks. At least you found someone who would build them right over there.
Honestly though, if I had the cash, I'd replace all the Celestions with vintage JBL D-120's Or even Altecs which sound great with ADA gear.
Harley 8)
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Yeah we are a bit starved here. The ADA importer was Pro Audio here in Canberra. I think it just made sense to make the cabs here and save on shipping weight, the early cabs were imported though and it seems I have one of them but with different speakers ??
When I went buy my splitstacks (way back when..) they had the cabs but no Celetion 8ohm, only 16ohm and I wanted each cab to be 4 ohm to get the most out of my B200s. But they had the boogie celetion 90w in 8ohm, deal done, otherwise I would have waited weeks for the speakers... The upside of a fully imported box, it "has" speakers in it LoL.
The JBL D-120s do sound good as do the Altecs (from the youtube clip). I have a pair of Altec 15"s which I fantasize having one a side under the splitstacks >:D , but I need to build boxes for them, and then, lug them :facepalm:
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Richard,
Definitely you didn't get the original speakers in that cab. They came with 50 watt Celestions, and they are 16 Ohm. The original concept for those cabs at the time was to set up stereo isolation cabs in a Marshall 4x12 configuration. They were counting on people using the cabs in pairs, but with stereo rigs. However, if you wanted to use them as mono cabs, You could by simply connecting the two cabs with a short speaker cable that would set them up as series/parallel cabs like the original design.
Yes, JBL D-120's would be a very nice replacement set I think. This is why I was also looking at the Beyma Liberty 8's which are supposed to be an exact clone of these speakers. Most of the JBL's I see for sale have been re-coned. I suspect that the re-coned ones have lost some of the original Mojo, which is why they are for sale.
I can personally vouch for the Altecs though, but I use them in my old Fender cabs from the 60's and 70's. The best sounding cab with those is the cab from the mid-70's, which looks like a small 4x12 cab, but it has only two speakers in it. The reason it sounds so good is because the enclosure is six cubic feet which is the ideal size for 2x12's. The Split-Stacks are about 3.6 cubic feet of enclosure, which is about the size of the 60's 2x12 Fender cab I have the other pair in. They still sound good, but don't project the full range as well as the larger cab. I lose a bit of the bottom end with the smaller cabs, so I suspect the same will happen in the ADA cabs.
Harley 8)
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I use the single cab as a easier to lug option, having it wired stereo I get a bit of comb filtering as there is no internal separation between the speakers but it's more convenient just taking one box. And I plan to do a 3 split stack setup with my Marshall 50 mono into that cab and the other 2 split stacks either side (so wet/dry setup). An ultimately have the 2 Altec 15s underneath it all >:D
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man i feel like an idiot.
i forgot to plug my speaker cab into the amp and started to play. hopefully i didn't blew anything. this is not the first time.
anyway to find out if the messed up the output transformer or not?
the volume did fade a bit and came to normal after.. damn.
everything sounds fine now though.
did this last time to my jcm 800 too.. i plugged the head into another head..
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Depends on how long it ran without loud and how loud you set it.
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Less than 10 seconds. Volume at1 and 3 max. I did play a chord though.. just tested everything. Its good. I put labels on all my cable ends now.
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Mmm that won't give a problem.
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@ Chamai,
The JMP-1 only has a higher price tag because of the name...I certainly isn't because of the tone :nono:
Harley 8)
While I love the tone of my MP1 and MP2 the Marshall JMP1 has a tone of its own that my ADA cant reproduce. Authentic Marshall tone :metal: Nothing gives you a Marshall tone like a Marshall, and nothing gives you an ADA MP1 tone like an MP1. They are two entirely different beasts. I agree you are correct saying it costs more because it says Marshall on it, however tone is a matter opinion and we all know opinions are like assholes, everyone has one :lol:
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Ohhhh.... I don't know, maybe if you swapped the 12AX7 tubes in the MP-1 for a pair of 12AU7's and tweaked the EQ cutting out the bass frequencies, it could probably reproduce the JMP-1 tones.
You're right about opinions though, and they all stink don't they? :lol:
Harley 8)
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Ohhhh.... I don't know, maybe if you swapped the 12AX7 tubes in the MP-1 for a pair of 12AU7's and tweaked the EQ cutting out the bass frequencies, it could probably reproduce the JMP-1 tones.
You're right about opinions though, and they all stink don't they? :lol:
Harley 8)
I'm with Harley on this one, I've been able to 'clone' other amps' sounds pretty dang accurately with my MP-2. My MP-1 Classic really reminds me of a hot-rodded Marshall in many forms. BTW, my backup amp is a Marshall combo with my MP-2 plugged in ;) wait 10 minutes, that'll change
My point is, my MP-1 Classic can get very Marshally in tone. It can also (almost) reach the Boogie spectrum. Way more flexible and portable than carrying amp heads around, IMO
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Not to be a d*ck but sounding pretty close and authentic is not the same, and yes I use my MP2 to clone a couple of amp tones myself the 5150 for example. Real believable tone and cheaper than buying a 5150 head! The JMP is much the same in you can get it to sound like any Marshall. Not just a modded JCM or Plexi but several models of Marshall. 100 Marshalls at your fingertips in a 1ru :thumb-up:
** TIP ** JMP1 sound like :poop: if used with a solid state power amp. Most have tube power!!
I don't have an MP1 Classic so I cannot comment on that but, wait 10 minutes, that'll change...hahaha sooo true! :lol:
Anyways I see alot of "pro's" still running a JMP1's in their rig for live arena shows, that says a lot for the pre. I only use a couple stand alone presets on mine, but mix it with my MP1 and you have instant wall of sound. :metal: :metal: (I use that as my signature tone.)
I do like my ADA's best but out of the mounds of pre's I have tried in my day, I rank the JMP1 in the top 5.
My tone chasing may vary from yours but who wants to sound the same anyways! :nono: Although you cant help but have little bits here and there in your tone and style that reflect your influences. :bow:
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The 12AU7s is an interesting idea. IIRC others have tried a 12AU7 with a 12AX7 in their MP1, but I've not heard of doing both tubes. Again IIRC the 12AU7s are a gain of ~20 compared the 12AX7s which are 100 (or 110 when selected for high gain >:D ), so significantly less gain, and often used in tube line input stages.
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@ Richard;
I was just kidding about putting 12AU7's in the MP-1. There's really no need to since it already does pristine clean tones very well as is.
You know, I never really thought about it before but the Classic does seem to lean more towards the Marshall side of things than the original MP-1. I have gotten several comments in the past about how my rig sounded like a few Marshall tones.
@ Soloist;
I remember the day I auditioned the JMP-1 in the store I was at because that was where I was able to compare that with the MP-1 Classic. Both preamps were current at the time, and I know the poweramp they plugged me into was one of the Marshall Mono Block models, but I don't recall if it was the 9100 or 9200 model. They had that amp hooked up to a Marshall 4x12 cab for that audition.
I'm not sure if the JMP-1 was just a display model of a used one, but I remember spending a good amount of time with it trying to find some good factory tones that would strike a chord with me, (no pun intended). I had some pretty high expectations from that piece of equipment, but in the end, I had found only one preset in there that sounded fairly workable and that was only when I pressed the Bass Boost button with it. For the most part, the other presets I sampled were very thin and weak sounding. Maybe there was something wrong with particular preamp?
In any event, they hooked up the Classic to that rig, and there was a big difference in the presence, and body of the guitar tone, and that was the day I bought my 2nd Classic! I was really disappointed at the JMP-1. I guess I was expecting to hear more of what you describe that you get from it, but I just didn't hear it from that preamp that day.
Harley 8)
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I got to get me a MP1 classic. Make it a complete family in my rack :whoohoo!:
The problem with a store demo is sometimes some jackhole messing around with it before you sets it up like shit.
One problem with the Jmp is you can overwrite any factory presets. So if someone did that before you checked it out, it was doomed from the start.
I use 2 factory presets and 2 custom on mine. Nothing clean, a mild distortion, a modded plexi rhythm, hi gain rhythm and a searing lead.
Some presets do sound a bit thin. I originally got mine to cover some Iron Maiden but Adrian's patch needed some tweaking for it to sound right to me. Also sounds great for
Def Leppard High and Dry tracks.
The addition of the BBE maximixer really brings out the growl in it as well.
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@ Soloist,
That's an interesting thought. I don't know if anyone messed around with the factory presets when I auditioned the JMP-1. It was mounted in a small rack case with a few other preamps that were out at the time, one of which was the Classic.
As a programmable preamp, I'm sure it has to have a way to reset all it's patches back to factory settings, but without the manual at that moment, I wouldn't have known how. It is a possibility though.
I do remember trying edit one or two of the patches in the store when I was playing through it, to see how tweaks would affect it, but IIRC, I couldn't get it to go into edit mode for some reason.
I always try to do a few tweaks when I'm checking out something like that so I can get a better idea of how much of a range I would have to work with in a program.
I don't know...maybe if I come across one of those for a good deal, I might pick it up just to give it a thorough run through, and see what it could really do with some fresh tubes in it.
Harley 8)
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Actually the JMP1 is a sort of glorified marshall valvestate,so with solid state distortion that goes thru a tube just to warm up the sound.That's why it needs a tube poweramp to sound good.
These are not bad units but they don't have the gain and gain structure of the MP-1 where you get real tube distortion.
They do seem expensive second hand,just looked around and they go from 350 to 400 euro.
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Yeah MJMP,
They seem to be going between $400-$500 USD here too
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Seems a lot of money to me.
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MJMP,
I agree, but that's because of the name. I'm sure of it. It would be a few hundred less if it were another name.
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Maybe,I bought a JCM2000 DSL 100W head for 300 euro,that's also a marshall.So why would a JMP1 be more expensive?
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Actually the JMP1 is a sort of glorified marshall valvestate,so with solid state distortion that goes thru a tube just to warm up the sound.That's why it needs a tube poweramp to sound good.
These are not bad units but they don't have the gain and gain structure of the MP-1 where you get real tube distortion.
They do seem expensive second hand,just looked around and they go from 350 to 400 euro.
So ideally, running an MP-1 into a good valve driven power amp would give you a much warmer sound?
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Well in my opinion yes,but other like solid state amps too.It's a matter of taste I guess.But there is a difference.In my band ,me and the other guitar player,we use the MP-1 with the same mods,we both use EMG pu's,marshall 4*12 cabs,the only difference is that I use my old marshall heads (preamp bypassed,power amp only) and he uses a rocktron velocity amp and there's a difference in sound.
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Wow, they have gone up in price since I bought mine.
And yes there is a way to restore all to factory defaults.
If you can get one for under $300 US than I would do it, but if its over $300 US it had better have some Voodoo mods in it :thumb-up:
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So ideally, running an MP-1 into a good valve driven power amp would give you a much warmer sound?
Hey PS91, it depends on the power amp, some are (allegedly) designed to "enhance" the guitar sound. The ADA preamps were designed to create all the tone in the preamp and use a clean transparent poweramp (which shouldn't add or detract). MJMP uses his Marshall heads power amp stages, these are designed to enhance the Marshall input stage (and create a bit of poweramp distortion if pushed hard enough) as opposed to say the Carvin TS100 which is designed to be good (clean, transparent) enough to run a pair of studio monitors. I used MP1/2 with a B200s for many years. I bought a TS100 when the B200s was having some issues. The TS100 seemed to add a little (hint of) warmth (hardly noticeable) compared to the B200s (which is like just not there except it makes the sound louder >:D ). Many tube poweramps (and SS for that matter) will add their own flavour to the tone, whether you like it or not is very subjective. Down side of tube poweramps is they are largish, heavy and will require new tubes from time to time. Upside is they give more bang for their wattage rating as they have sooo much more stored power than the majority of SS amps.
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Actually the JMP1 is a sort of glorified marshall valvestate,so with solid state distortion that goes thru a tube just to warm up the sound.
There was some info I recall that stated that the JMP preamp would actually function without the tube even installed into its socket... :-\
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Actually the JMP1 is a sort of glorified marshall valvestate,so with solid state distortion that goes thru a tube just to warm up the sound.
There was some info I recall that stated that the JMP preamp would actually function without the tube even installed into its socket... :-\
Now we know why Kim
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So ideally, running an MP-1 into a good valve driven power amp would give you a much warmer sound?
I would always choose a Valve power amp over a SS one if I had the cash to keep replacing valves. I deally, I would love to get my hands on a T100S, but they are few and far between these days.
I am looking at a VHT though, since I like what I've heard from them. Naturally, if I get one, I'll try out all my preampos on it, but I'm really looking forward to punching the Classic in it most of all.
Harley 8)
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I've run my MP-1's and MP2's through tons of different power amps.... MosValves, MT100's, Peavey 60/60, return of a HiWatt head, return of a Dean Markley tube combo and of course my mighty Mesa 295.
I can say with no reservations that the tube amps definitely add character, depth and "gooiness" to the tone. However I find that the MT100's and the solid state amps translated the signal with effects better. My best setup is w/d/w with a SS Power amp in stereo from my effects and a middle dry All tube signal path.
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Actually the JMP1 is a sort of glorified marshall valvestate,so with solid state distortion that goes thru a tube just to warm up the sound.
There was some info I recall that stated that the JMP preamp would actually function without the tube even installed into its socket... :-\
No it needs the tubes,one tube is for the clean sound,the other for the distorted sound.
@Harley;The old VHT tube poweramps are really good,but also heavy as hell.
@SP;I agree for a W/D/W setup it's ideal to use a tube amp for the dry signal and SS for the wet.
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MJMP,
Yes, the older big black ones are, but I'm looking at something like the VHT Two Fifty Two, or Two Ninety Two. They seem to be smaller so maybe not as heavy. Also, the thing that really catches my attention about these amps it that they almost seem to be clones of the Soldano rack mount power amp that they made many years ago for use with the X-99 and X-77 Preamps they once made. Since these are so limited in quantity, and ridiculously expensive, the VHT seems like a good choice.
I have heard the Two Fifty Two, and that is an awesome sounding poweramp. It wasn't with an ADA preamp, it was with a cheap Fender rack mount preamp, ( I forgot the model), and I used to own one of those briefly. Those preamps sound like S**t on toast, but it sounded really good through the VHT. So I can see the ADA preamps sounding killer through one of these.
Harley 8)
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Well I tried both the 2 50 2 and the 2150 (which is really heavy) and they sounded really good with an MP-1.
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Hey MJMP,
I suspected they would considering how good they made a crappy Fender preamp sound good. I'll be looking around for a 2 50 2, or 2 90 2. Right now I only see a 2 50 2 on ebay from Austria.
I'll just keep looking around. Eventually, I'll find a good deal.
Harley 8)
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Ok,you'll find something,maybe even a T100S ;D
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That would be nice, at least to try it out on the preamps, but I think I may find a VHT sooner than that :dunno:
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Yeah it's strange that they are hard to find,same here in europe. I did buy mine new NOS in the box for I think 250 euro and with an extra pair of siemens EL34 power tubes, so that was a good deal.
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Yeah it's strange that they are hard to find,same here in europe. I did buy mine new NOS in the box for I think 250 euro and with an extra pair of siemens EL34 power tubes, so that was a good deal.
A T100S?
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yep with actually 2 pairs of EL34's
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Well I did it. I pulled the trigger on a TC G-Force :whoohoo!:
I felt $200 plus shipping was a damn good price. :thumb-up:
Hey MJMP, do you have any tips for using the G-Force? Flipping through the manual is seems pretty similar to my G-Major2. Some of the presets in the manual look like they might actually sound decent. Any favorites you care to share??
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Wow that's a very good price, I got mine new and I payed like 1600 euro for it?
There some nice things in there like what's it called ,the whale sound or something like that which is really unique. Now if you want I also have the G-card presets as 3 seperate sysex files. So you can upload them to the G force. Do you have a PCMCIA SRAM card? Then you can save them to that card also. The card is also great to make a backup of your presets.I can really recommend getting one.I have 2 512kB cards and you can find them on ebay sometimes for a decent price.
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Go Soloist, good score :thumb-up:
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Anyone here rock a marshall power amp. Few on ebay and im gasing for one. i want to try it with a mp1. I love el34s for power. Maim reason is to use it as a slave for my jcm800. Found a 9200, jmp1 pre, bbe, furman conditioner for $999 US on evilbay
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Seems a good price for all those bits and bobs :thumb-up:
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I was looking at that the other day. There was something about that in his description that gave me pause.
I'll have to go look at it again to see what it was.
Harley 8)
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Received my G-Force today! :banana-dance: Put it into the rig, all checks out and works properly. The guy even sent me a 5ft x 3ft TC Electronic G-Force Banner. Looks nice hanging in my studio :thumb-up:
Time to dive into learning to program it. At first I thought it would be like my G Major 2 but after looking at the manual...uh no. Not even close.
On a side note I ended up running my preamps to the mixer, G Major 2 in mixer fx loop, G-force after the mixer into BBE into power amp. Still using the lexicon in MP2 fx loop but I think thats going to change soon.
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:whoohoo!: may the GForce be with you (sorry :facepalm: ) enjoy (ahh GAS, a fun but expensive (particularly over time) journey).
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landed a new job, more money, no mortgage, more gear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
did anyone pick up that jmp1 9200 power amp deal on evilbay?
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No way man congrats!! :banana-upsidedown:
I too am looking for a new job so I can get the hell out of the shit paying crap job I have now. It's comfortable where I am at in regards to work load and people but the pay is garbage!
On the GAS front, I no buy the power amp, but I landed in the last three days, two Celestion Vintage 30's for very cheap price, they are newish also :) I'll combine these with my Eminence CV-75 :banana-skipping-rope-smiley-e Cheapest one today I got for like £53 postage included which is $70 and 63euro.
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I snavelled another Mesa P112 (1x12/tweeter, very nice cabs BTW but expensive, Boogie :facepalm: ) yesterday, that model is EOL and allegedly the new replacement model isn't as good :dunno: , the shop only had 2 left so I grabbed another one to have a pair, so now can run the bass in stereo (which I did, sounds awsome), I also tried the MP2 through them last night (cab simmed), which also sounds great :whoohoo!: . So now I want to build 2 cabs for my 15" Altects to sit underneath the P112s >:D and I can use them for bass and guitar.
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R, I think you have way to much GAS :lol:
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Hey MJMP, I have to agree :facepalm: , but my it's enjoyable ^-^
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Hey you only live once,so enjoy it while it lasts. :thumb-up:
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Who has the worst GAS?
f*ck I thought I had bad GAS, but Rn is GAS disabled!! He's kind GAS.
I think I have tamed mine, but I still got it. I'm always buying, but then I always have new needs :crazy:
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The whole bass thing has got me on a roll LoL.. Off to buy some heat shrink to make a stereo to double mono (~insert) lead so I can run the bass stereo, well it's actually one PU per channel. According to a guy on the Alembic forum it really opens up the sounds (not that it isn't amazing already..). So it will be one PU per MB1 > desk > (+TC MOne del/rev) > DCM200L > 2 x P112 cabs.
Mmm maybe I need another guitar :nono:
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No way man congrats!! :banana-upsidedown:
I too am looking for a new job so I can get the hell out of the shit paying crap job I have now. It's comfortable where I am at in regards to work load and people but the pay is garbage!
On the GAS front, I no buy the power amp, but I landed in the last three days, two Celestion Vintage 30's for very cheap price, they are newish also :) I'll combine these with my Eminence CV-75 :banana-skipping-rope-smiley-e Cheapest one today I got for like £53 postage included which is $70 and 63euro.
right now i do less for a lot more money. i do insurance so it's boring as hell. might as get paid more to do the same shit. i do miss my old co workers though. but most of them left the same time as i did coz we were under paid and the company just sucked. they were kind enough to give me a bonus when i left. from what i have heard, another co worker was gonna leave but the manager actually decide to pay her more to stay. if she leaves, there will be only 1 full time and 1 manager and 1 part time. we need at least 6 full time people in the office.
fun fact, my relatives own the damn place. i just told them im done. we are 2 months behind on paperwork coz they are too cheap to hire good people. they love hiring people with no experience but the company won't put the time to train them.
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R, I think you have way to much GAS :lol:
got an updated picture of all your gear good sir?
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Wow, the new jobs thing must be contagious. My wife just got a new job making a lot more money :thumb-up: Only problem now is we have to move 2 hours further north. Its fine with me because I like it out in the country, besides cities here are way over populated. I haven't been on here much lately, trying to get my house in order to put it on the market, pack stuff and look for a new house. :facepalm: The nice thing is now we can get a larger house with a few acres of land. Is that a new studio I smell coming my way :whoohoo!:
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Hey Chamai, some shots of the P112s, MB1s and the Alembic control cavity
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want those cabs man...
perfect for a w/d/w rig
1x12 and 2x12 sell for more used on my local craigslist. wtf..
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Hey Chamai, they're nice cabs, really well made and a good size, 300w. But they are expensive puppies, they retailed here for $1300 AUD each (ouch).
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gear in AUS seem overly expensive.
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gear in AUS seem overly expensive.
+1 The government there seems to shaft everyone with Import and Duty taxes.
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Hey Chamai, tell me about it :facepalm: , and if we try to source stuff from other countries, they either don't ship to Australia (to protect the Australian distributors etc) or the postage is ridiculous. We also get slugged with what's dubbed the "Australia Tax" where OS companies charge us 20 to 30% more for anything, just because they can. We even had a Senate inquiry about it where the Senators grilled Apple, Microshaft, Samsung etc etc why they charge so much more here (not that it helped, they still do it).
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+1 The government there seems to shaft everyone with Import and Duty taxes.
I know the feeling. >:(
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Hey Harley, absolutely, it cost me $1500 AUD to get the bass through customs (on top of $500 AUD postage). On the plus side if the value is less than $1000 AUD it doesn't get taxed. But of course all the retailers want that changed ("oh we can't compete with OS online stores..."). The governments been looking at changing it but so far they figure it would cost more to collect the taxes than they would make.
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Here in Belgium everything above 22 euro is taxed.
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Hey MJMP, Even worse than here,
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@ Richard,
That makes no sense Richard. They tax by a certain percentage don't they? So, if the percentage is applied for anything under $1000 AUD, they still get their tax money.
@MJMP,
I believe that tax situation is similar in many countries throughout Western Europe. It was in Greece. Not only did you pay Import taxes and Duty fees, but on top of the sales tax, there was also a King's tax, which made no sense to anyone since the Monarchy was deposed in 1967. According to my relatives over there, even under the Euro system, that tax was still applied.
Harley 8)
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Hey Harley, working out what tax to apply isn't the hard bit, customs would have to process every package and they don't have the resources. And they recon if they did put the resources and admin etc in place to do it, it would cost more than they would raise as the max tax of 10% would be $100, so they just go for the bigger ones. At least allot of the bibs and bobs I buy are under $1000, CD or DVD etc.
Greece is even worse again, not only do you pay all the taxes you also have to pay the bribes (I've forgotten the word for it, and while they made the bribes illegal, it hasn't changed anything). My ex wife is Greek BTW :wave:
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Here the duty is done by either the post office or companies like UPS,FEDEX etc. They charge you 15 to 30 euro for this.
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Hey Richard,
I know about that too. Greece has been in a lousy financial state ever since 1974.
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+1 The government there seems to shaft everyone with Import and Duty taxes.
I know the feeling. >:(
we get a stupid 12% sales tax on everything we buy except unprocessed food and a few other things.
but we do get some sick deals. paid 550 cad for a brand new orange 2x12 closed back cab a year ago. that was prob my best score ever at a store. and my only piece of gear that i bought new in a box.
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Here in Belgium we pay 21% VAT + 5% import tax + 15-30 euro for the duty handling for everything over 22 euro value.It doesn't matter if it's new or second hand.And they even count the shipping cost in the total value.
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Hey MJMP, that really sucks, and charging tax on the shipping :facepalm: