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Griphook:
Hey Folks,

how do you use your Multi-FX Units on your MP-2?
I do not use the FX-Loop, nor do I have a stereo Rig :/

I want to rebuild my sound and I wonder, what the best way is to connect my "GMajor 2" to my MP-2.

Currently my signal-flow is:

Guitar --> Line 6 G50 --> Vox v847 WAH (Modded to true Bypass) --> Modded FCB1010 MIDI-Controller --> MP-2 -->(serial connection Mono) TC Electronic G-Major 2(Mono) --> Brunetti RockIt (PowerAmp)(Mono)


How does using the FX-Loop affect my FX? Am I correct, that the FX-Loop is parallel? I never used a parallel Loop before.

I modded my FCB1010:
The Controller uses a UnO-Chip fpr better programming and controllability.
Originally, the FCB has 2 jacks for changing Presets on a Rackhead. I used the relais to create my own controllabe 2-channel Looper. In the 1. channel I got a few Drives (JPTR FX Tesla Wolf --> Nano Muff --> DIY Friedman BE-OD). Channel 2 is for my Vox TimeMachine Delay.
So I can activate each channel separately for each preset I use and every effect is Before the MP-2

Thank you for your responses :)

Greetings from Germany
Grip

rnolan:
Hey Grip, greetings from Australia  :wave: :beer: . As you may have read in other posts, I use a small desk, always run it in stereo (hard to go back to mono once you try it) and run my rig much the same as I would a stereo PA.  I've never used the MP2 loops, but that's because I can do it all at the desk and it's easier.  I don't use anything in front of the MP2, particularly delay, I'd rather delay the distorted guitar tone than distort the delays, sounds better IMHO.  In the MP2 signal chain, the wah and compressor are before the tubes, so if anything you "might" use these Fx pedals before the MP2.  But I use very little Fx these days.The MP2 loop is indeed parallel (so it's like a mini mixer in a way).  The returns are mixed back in with the dry signal, you set the mix level in the patch.  So the easy option for you is to put the GMaj2 in the loop, set it's dry/wet mix to full wet and adjust the overall dry/wet mix with the return levels. Then stereo out to poweramp > 2 x cabs.  Thus you have full analogue MP2 signal mixed with GMaj2 "digitised" signal.  Using the loop for the GMaj2 is a "slightly" better sounding option than putting the GMaj2 after the MP2 (eg MP2 > Gmaj2 > poweramp > cabs).  This is because the GM2 converts its inputs to digital, does its stuff, converts it back to analogue at its outputs (so no direct analogue signal).  Using the MP2 loop preserves the analogue signal and mixes in some Fx to it.  Mike and I tested this with his MP1 and GM2, it does sound slightly better, but as SC will tell you, there's not much in it (and he's right).
But you can patch all the stuff you have in a variety of ways.But I'd start with GM2 in the loop and go STEREO  >:D
So my rig, I use a Yamaha AM802 8 ch mixer (it has 3 Fx sends) Guit > MP2 A/B > ch1 & 2 (pan L/R), Cab sim out A/B > ch3 & 4, Mixer send 1 turned up on ch 1 & 3 (ie L) and send 2 up on ch 2 & 4 (ie R), send 1 & 2 master outs > Quadverb L/R, Quadverb > ch 5 & 6, Mixer send 3 turned up a bit on ch 1,2,3&4 > L (mono) of Alesis Midiverb 4, MV4 outs L/R > ch 7 & 8 send 1 on ch7 and send 2 on ch8 turned up (so MV4 return also goes to Quadverb), main mix outs > poweramp > cabs or main mix outs to recording input (turn ch1 & 2 down, 3 & 4 up ie signal in the desk is cab simmed for recording, for amp cab set up turn ch 1 & 2 up and 3 & 4 down (off).  So Fx wise I run the QV as mild stereo delay and some chamber reverb as an overall setting for all patches.  Both QV and MV4 set to full wet. The MV4 I worked in in case I want some special Fx eg flange, a big delay etc but I haven't bothered, it's there if I need it but I keep things so simple these days.
 

Hanneman213:
I connect my TC Electronics G Major 2 as serial to mp2 in order to use, modulation, pitch, eq effects properly. I don't consider that a ''parallel'' connection is necessary for delay or reverb. I just connect my Noise Supressor Pedal through its own loop, with 4 cable method.

Griphook:
Thanks for your Input, but my problem is, that I can only go Mono through my Power Amp. I am using the Power Amp for both guitars, so i go to the right channel and our 2nd Guitarist goes to the left channel with his MP1. So 2 Guitars, one Power Amp.

Does the MP2 downmix the channels to mono, when only One Output is plugged in, or can I pan the Loop to one side only?

rnolan:
Hey Hanneman213, whatever works for you is what you want  :thumb-up: .  MikeB went back to using his GMaj2 after his MP1 (4 CM) to pick up some CC benefits, particularly stereo volume control.  However with MP2, we have that already (ie midi stereo vol control).  A parallel connection isn't necessary for delay/reverb, just (IMHO) sounds better (depending on Fx unit, this view is TC specific as they convert to digital on input, some older units don't) and is allot easier to get your gain structure right, and the  added benefit is direct analogue MP2 signal to amp > cabs as opposed to AD converted, Fx applied, DA converted (analogue lost  :facepalm: ), but hey I can hear the difference, and I care about that.  The difference isn't huge, but it's there (and I'm an analogue die hard LoL).
I understand why you'd want to chain through the TC so mod, pitch, eq does what you want as you may want them to totally control/influence the sound rather than just blend in a bit (or a bit more).  So as you do, chain through it and mix within the TC, although you can do the same using a parallel set up, as apart from eq, you always need some direct signal (except if you want "just" pitch shifted and no original pitch/note) and there's heaps of eq control in the MP2.  My QV has eq, I just never use it, never had the need (and it's digital, MP2 eq is analogue, again, my preference/predilection).
Noise suppression is an interesting topic, I've always found the NR in the MP2 sufficient and only required for the highest gain voices, but then I come from the era when you cranked your Marshall up full (no master vol back then) and controlled the beast (and squeals/feedback etc) with your fingers/hands.  Then again the MP2 has allot of gain  >:D .  Also noise suppression is sometimes required/applied because of bad gain structure, parallel will always give you better/easier gain structure (otherwise why bother  :dunno: apart from the analogue aspects I elude to above (which are enough for me on their own)).  But then, mixing all the wet/dry levels etc in a TC is the same as using a desk, just harder, not quite as versatile and all in digital.
At the end of the day, there's a bunch of ways you can patch all the thingys, the main thing is it get the tone YOU want and are happy with. So if it's working for you, excellent, all power to you (and I like you clips  :whoohoo!: , but I said that before  :wave: )

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