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Non ADA Gear => Rack Gear => Topic started by: McLeanAB on April 07, 2014, 11:30:52 AM
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Hey all...
As I continue to experiment with my lovely Carl Martin Chorus XII, it's working okay, but I think using it (probably not the way it was intended) how I am is giving me a bit of grief here and there... I am running it after my ISP Theta Preamp so I'm getting line level vs. instrument level mix ups...
So, I'm trying to find a great 80's sounding chorus in a rack (line level) unit.
Does anyone have any experience with these:
Rockman Stereo Chorus
Boss RCE-10
Boss CE-300
Roland SBF-325
Line 6 Mod Pro
I'm looking for that super wide stereo separation that the MP-1 has built in and all the Gallien Krueger guitar stuff (2000cpl, 250 rl/ml) had. The Carl Martin is great, but is there anything else out there in a rack format? I just don't like the Lexicon chorus stuff... just doesn't give that super stereo feel... my old Rocktron Xpression can't do it either.
Let me know what 'chu all got!
EDIT: I'd actually consider a Roland Dimension D if it wasn't so expensive!!
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I have quite a bit of experience with the Rockman Stereo Chorus. It is a fantastic unit, studio quality. The only caveat is that the electrolytic caps are likely at the end of their life and should be replaced, if that has not yet been done.
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I've not used the Rockman rack chorus, but my Shultz XL100 had great chorus, he designed some great gear. So I think GB may on the money here.
My personal (very (very) subjective) view of roland and boss gear is it sounds muddy in much the same way Boogie amps are "very middy" so I wouldn't buy either brand.
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Thanks for the tips!
The Carl Martin and my memory of the GK and MP-1 is "warm and dark." Like the coffee I'm about to drink...
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Enjoy, I'm about to top up my wine :thumb-up:
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Since ADA never made stand alonde chorus rack effect, could it be posible (and this is comming from my crazy and WAY too picky mad scientist part of my brain) build to maybe build one from the guts of a MP-1?
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I think that what we are in love with the chorus in the MP-1 is the 180 degree split that the chorus signal does from let to right in the stereo no? This is something that allmost no other chorus effect does... and I think on the old forum someone mentiones 1 or 2 other ones that did that but I dont remember now :facepalm: .
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Since ADA never made stand alonde chorus rack effect, could it be posible (and this is comming from my crazy and WAY too picky mad scientist part of my brain) build to maybe build one from the guts of a MP-1?
PS:
I think that what we are in love with the chorus in the MP-1 is the 180 degree split that the chorus signal does from let to right in the stereo no? This is something that allmost no other chorus effect does... and I think on the old forum someone mentiones 1 or 2 other ones that did that but I dont remember now :facepalm: .
That is EXACTLY what I'm talking about... the Gallien-Krueger stuff did that too and the Carl Martin does it as well... it's the only stand alone unit I've found that does that... I was hoping by descriptions that the Rockman Chorus does it as well... if anyone remembers any other units that do that, let me know! No pedals!
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I think you and I have the same ¨isues¨ with line level going in to instrument level...
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If you pray to the gear gods really really hard and be patient for a good price, you can try to get an Ibanez AD202 rack. It is definitely well known for its delay capabilities but it also has doubler, chorus, and flanger modes. In addition, it is completely analog. The chorus is great and is better sounding than the already great Maxon designed CS9, is very versatile, and can either run line or instruments level. Stereo ins and outs too. The only drawback is that they go for $400 American if not more. I got mine for $150 because the seller miss-spelled "Ibanez" on his listing header. One Drawback is front-mounted jacks.
Also I just bought in an ADA TFX4 rack. Similar setup to the AD202. One concern is no stereo effect out though. ADA Digitizer has a good chorus sound too.
I would go for the Ibanez overall though because you can get the chorus, but you also get one of the best delays ever created in the same package.
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I just remembered the Digitech IPS33 Smart Shift also has really nice chorus (also built in tuner and 2 separate pitch shifts). I don't recall how good it was as I used the ADA chorus.
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ADA Digitizer has a good chorus sound too.
Does the Digitizer have the same chorus design as the MP-1?
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Based on what I gather, the MP-1 is an analog circuit, and the Digitizer is a digital circuit.
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Rockman Chorus is 100% analog as well.
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i guess that if your'e not on the budget for Dytronics cs-5 /TSC songbird
( or the newer replicas - sheeva & fulltone TERC )
than line 6's MOD PRO rack is really great . it has analog/tri chorus /dimension (roland type) .
if you some how want it in a pedal - it will be the boss DC-2 (roland dimension in a box -
analog 100%).
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than line 6's MOD PRO rack is really great . it has analog/tri chorus /dimension (roland type) .
if you some how want it in a pedal - it will be the boss DC-2 (roland dimension in a box -
analog 100%).
A Line6 with analog efects? I think thats the first time I hear that!
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Not that I know much about Line 6 stuff, but didn't they used to be Zoom ?, pretty compressed and processed ? Tom Schultz did this well/better IMHO with the rockman stuff, but analogue. All sounds great in the bedroom.. Although I've used the rockman live (before my ADA(s)), very compressed but worked...albeit a bit hard to get on top in the mix (so compressed, no dynamics, killer sound though)
So are you guys preferring the roland/line 6 etc chorus to the native MP1/2 chorus ???
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Not that I know much about Line 6 stuff, but didn't they used to be Zoom ?, pretty compressed and processed ? Tom Schultz did this well/better IMHO with the rockman stuff, but analogue. All sounds great in the bedroom.. Although I've used the rockman live (before my ADA(s)), very compressed but worked...albeit a bit hard to get on top in the mix (so compressed, no dynamics, killer sound though)
So are you guys preferring the roland/line 6 etc chorus to the native MP1/2 chorus ???
Preferring? Hell no! I just don't own the MP-1 anymore and there doesn't seem to be a dedicated chorus unit out there short of $1200+ boutique stuff like the Fulltone TERC and the Shiva Wave, both which are clones of the CS-5 Tri-Stereo Chorus. (Whoops! Just saw the earlier post!)
I like my Line 6 Filter Pro a lot, but have reservations about the Mod Pro...
Guess I'm gonna save up for the Shiva Wave, or convince Buck Waller to build me one!!!!!
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Or get a MP1/2 ?
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Cant our builder gurus in the forum take out the churus section of a MP1 and make a stand alone unit?
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Could be done with some modifications.
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Hey MJMP, sounds like a plan >:D
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Hell yeha! with mono/stereo ins and outs and instrument/line level select you could put it in between most setups!
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The design of the mp-1 chorus is made for line levels.
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Then line levels it is! :)
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Could be done with some modifications.
Really? That would be awesome!
Just curious... to do that and give it the same in/out configurations as the Shiva Wave:
one 1/4" in, one XLR in, two 1/4" outs, two XLR outs
Rate
Depth
Maybe wet/dry?
In a rack housing?
How much would something like that cost?
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Not cheap I suspect unless you got serious numbers made ?
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Well i think it would be cheaper if you try to find a ADA STD-1,great chorus,and some models came with both XLR and TRS in and outs.Problem is you need to find one,but this is the most ingenius analog chorus i ever heard.BTW i own one so i know.
http://www.retrosynth.com/~analoguediehard/studio/effects/ada_std-1/
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Google - Spin FV-1 Chorus