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 :whoohoo!: Hey mcss we are watching on with baited breath LOL anything wen can do to help, let us know  :thumb-up:
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I looked at the APP-1 as if it was a $500 Overdrive stomp box, which essentially it is. The video promo for it didn't really strike me as being impressive. If I had one of these, I'd probably put it in the effects loop of one of my preamps, or maybe use it like a overdrive pedal for one of my Fender Twins.
The nearest place that carries those to me is in Youngstown. I may head out there to audition one and see if it can impress me in person. Honestly, I'm not expecting much out of it, when there is a stomp box manufacturer right here in town that is making some very impressive boxes for a lot less.
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Hey Harley, lots of agreement here, we're hoping for an MP3 (which Monty has said they may be considering ?), it won't be cheep though, more like the price of an AxeFX I'd proffer (which in my view it would blow off the stage if they can include some good analogue and digital FX and cab sims (all of which they have at hand)). The MP1 and MP2s etc weren't a cheep unit, I bought both new and the MP2 = ~$7k in today's money.

The MP1Channel may be a good addition to FX loop or up front with normal amp, it sounds quite nice (from Monty's clips), at least it's tube  >:D :thumb-up: I think the APP1 and MP1Ch both have their place if that works with your rig, given most of us here have the original (albeit some modified) with all that versatility in rack setups, I'm not racing out to buy one, that said the MP1Ch I could use to bring my old Marshall 50 back to life.
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Hey Harley, lots of agreement here, we're hoping for an MP3 (which Monty has said they may be considering ?), it won't be cheep though, more like the price of an AxeFX I'd proffer (which in my view it would blow off the stage if they can include some good analogue and digital FX and cab sims (all of which they have at hand)).

I honestly think they should not go in to AxeFX territory.
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And clone all the sounds ??, why when the AxeFX is just cloning what we already have (for real?). Though all the cab sim and FX would be useful (my 2 cents worth)
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And clone all the sounds ??, why when the AxeFX is just cloning what we already have (for real?). Though all the cab sim and FX would be useful (my 2 cents worth)

I'm not sure where this is coming from, but as far as cloning the sounds of the original ADA gear goes, I would only expect a wimpy simulation of the originals. As a MP-2 owner, you probably have the same thoughts about the MP-1 preset that was included in the MP-2 as I did, i.e. not a particularly striking program. I wonder if every MP-2 owner had the same impression as I did about that MP-1 simulation?

Hmmm, maybe this statement belongs in the MP-2 thread :-\

As for the AxeFX, I never looked into that. I have too much gear to mess around with already, and the effects I have are all original, and not simulated versions of the originals. You see, this is why I'm not in a rush to go get an APP-1: It is supposed to be able to give you a lot of the vintage tones without the need for all the rack gear, amps etc. The reality is, an electric guitar is only half an instrument. The other half is the amplifier it's plugged into. I can't speak for anyone but myself on this subject, but I interact with the amplifier, by the level of the volume, my proximity to the amplifier with the guitar, the eq, and overdrive settings, and coaxing feedback from my speakers when I need it. All of that is gone with things like the APP-1, and although I never tried one, I'd guess the AxeFX too!
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Hey Harley, I never really tried the MP2 MP1 patch, (I probably should sometime LoL), I just created new tones with the MP2. I must say I love my old MP1 tones, but that was then. I found the MP2 took much less customising, it was very close to what I wanted out of the box.

Agree, the guitar (but more how you play it) is part (probably the biggest) of the puzzle, I've had reasonable results with a few bits of kit, I liked my Tom Schultz Rockman in its day, and  used a 72 Marshall 50 for many years.  If you need lots of easy to dial up sounds, cloning can help, there are some good ones, but, as you, I've defined my own tone using the various bits I have and I don't play in a rock covers band where I need to emulate a large range of other guitarists anymore. Albeit the MP1/2 are quite capable in this area. These days I use 3 basic sounds with a little delay and reverb (see MP2 patches), nice and simple and as analogue as I can keep it.. But hey, each to their own, I played a Line 6 a while ago and the rock/blues settings was usable (nothing like ADA though  >:D ).
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Richard,
Yes, I believe that. Just like a guitar will have it's own voice based on the type of woods used in it's construction, in combination with the hardware and pickups, that voice will further be defined by the amplifier it's plugged into, in combination with the speakers that are used in the amp!
One of my favorite setups was when I used my MP-1 Classic with a Fender 2x12 cab that is loaded with Altec Lansing model G-17s. That setup made some great recordings. I still have those cabs, and one 2x15 cab loaded with JBL D-140s.

Harley 8)
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Hey Harley, I've got an empty (home made I think) 2 x 12" open back cab that I need to put some speakers in. I got it from a bass player years ago, he used it as his top box with a 15 underneath. It had Fender twin speakers in it, a guitar fell into one of them, the other I gave to MikeB for his quad box. I was thinking to try some Lorantz speakers (http://www.melbournemusiccentre.com.au/auxpage_lorantz/). They took over the old Plessy Rola plant in Melbourne. I had some Plessy 12U50s, great speakers. The Altec G-17s would probably be a good option also from what you say.
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Hey Richard,

     The Altecs are a great speaker, no doubt. They are powerful, and clean, they don't break up like Celestions. This is why I'm considering the Beymas, because if they are an accurate reproduction of the JBL D120, then I would get the same results but with a midrange that is not quite as warm as the Altecs. I believe that is the only difference between the two. In terms of clarity, they both excel. Anyway, we are getting way off topic here since this thread was about the new gear offered by ADA.

      Even though, I may be very skeptical about the APP-1 and the Cab simulator, and even the MP-1 Channel, I may still end up getting them and trying them out as they were designed, just to use directly through a PA system without having to use a truck to haul my gear to a gig! That would be kind of a blessing if you think about it, just your guitar, stand, and a suitcase pedal rig, and there you go! Into the house PA, or maybe in a smaller venue, the Bose L-1 II system?
       Most of the club gigs around here are very low paying gigs, so hauling around a double stack to these gigs isn't worth it. Then again, ADA also claims you can run this setup into your poweramp and speaker cabs right from the pedals. So I guess it all boils down to this: Can the APP-1 and/or the MP-1 Channel sound as good in this type of set up as the old rack gear? It's one thing to plug into a PA with that, but what about plugging into a Microtube 100 with single 12" cabs or a stereo 2x12? Can it deliver?

Harley 8)
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Hey Harley, I can vouch for the cab sim (GCS3). MikeB has one in his rack which he plugs into my studio system when we rehearse. He's got it in the MP1 loop and duplicated his patches with loop on for rehearsing here and off for loud and live. I have all MP2s so it's too easy to plug in direct.
Dante went down the path of direct to PA and in ear monitors. He seems to have back tracked to at least a small amp for some stage sound. Totally agree re lugging gear, I snavelled a extra single slant split stack a while ago and wired it to be stereo or mono to cut back on lugging (well one cab at least). I haven't used my other 2 split stacks since.
I expect the App-1 and MP-1 Ch would work fine into a power amp (or as intended guitar amp (the back of the APP-1 manual has suggested eq settings for a few common amps to make their eq flat (ish), not settings you might expect BTW)). I think the main drawback would be only 2 patches (or maybe 3 if you went with your idea of MP-1 ch in App-1 loop)
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Hey Richard,

     I'll have to get some feedback from Dante about that. It sounds like it might work well in that kind of application. Then again, in theory, a lot of things sound good until you actually try it!  :lol:

Harley 8)
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Hey Harley, there's a few post re in ear monitoring (which I've never tried BTW) I think Peter (Boer) is also an in ear aficionado. Personally I like to be surrounded but lots of great volume/energy ...  >:D (although my ears have paid the price  :facepalm: )
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Hey Richard,

    You're not alone in that one, as I have hearing loss in both ears, more so in my left ear than my right. Like you, I prefer the floor monitors to fill the air space with the sound of the rest of the band. It just seems like a more natural way to react to the the band with my guitar. It's the perception of the sounds my ears hear, that lets me adjust the volume of my guitar to it to get the blend I want to hear.

     Harley 8)
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