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dweiskopf

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Hi:

First time post, so apologies if this had been asked before.  I have done toms of research and downloaded and tried lots of patches (from this site and elsewhere).  I am not having any luck finding a good patch or patches for LIVE use in my 80s hair metal cover band.  Looking for Lynch / Bratta / Skid Row / etc. sounds.  Fat, chorus, chainsaw, wet....I've tried all the posted settings.  They seem more for studio, not live use.  I'm running through VHT 2/50/2 power amp.  I've got a GSP1101 as well as needed.  Any chance someone could help?  I had good patches on the GSP1101 but they were erased so would like to try the ADA for the primary preamp sound.  We have a number of gigs coming up!....thanks!!
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rnolan

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Hi dweiskopf, welcome to the depot, I'm assuming your looking for MP1 patches as you posted in the MP1 area.  There's a bunch of live patches in my old MP1, need to get my friend (current owner) to list a few so I can post them here.  The MP2 patches I posted here are also live patches, my old rhythm patch was created for the sort of music you play (but they're for MP2, quite different to MP1)
Meanwhile there are plenty of MP1 users here that have live patches run up and no doubt happy to share.  Not that I've tried them personally but the Paul Gilbert patches posted here should work well live and also be the kind of sound you are chasing.  Or run some up from scratch (as I did for all my old MP1 patches) but do it a stage volume.
Cheers Richard
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Setting up patches at gig volume is a MUST !

Keep tweaking 'cause those types of tones are in there in spades.

A good effects processer will go a long way in nailing these tones also. If you don't have one that could be what you're missing(reverbs,delays,etc)

Cheers
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rnolan

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Setting up patches at gig volume is a MUST !
Keep tweaking 'cause those types of tones are in there in spades.
A good effects processer will go a long way in nailing these tones also. If you don't have one that could be what you're missing(reverbs,delays,etc)
Cheers
+1  :thumb-up:
MP1 patch 001 (Marshall) is a good place to start, copy it to a clean bank (I used bank 10) and crank it up, tweak till your happy.  I found the hard part (as the MP1 is so versatile) was when to say stop, that's a keeper  ;) .  As Axemane says, decent reverb and some delay is a must (Quadverb, Midiverb3/4, TC Gmajor, Lexicon, etc so many to pick from but quite few posts here regarding what various members find good, I use a Quadverb for delay and reverb) and above all, run the MP1 in stereo (if you can), makes a huge difference (I'll never go back to mono).  Also the MP1 chorus is very good, often better than the chorus in rack effects.
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dweiskopf

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Thanks all for the helpful comments. Yes, I've spent lots of time down that road and had some great patches that I sadly lost.  I was hoping someone has some specific patches they have found great in a 4 person (mostly single guitar, sometimes second guitar,for electric rhythm or acoustic).  I just can't quite get the right settings.  Here is my rig.  Would love the help of you pros out there - we have several big gigs,coming and not a lot of time to,rebuild patches....

Guitars:Jackson (JB p/u), Peavey Vandenberg (Ruby p/u), ESP EC1000 (EMGs), Ovation --->Shure. PgX14 Wireless -->Korg DT1000 Rack Tuner -->GSP1101 --> ADA MP-1 in effects loop in stereo --> stereo outs to VHT 2/50/2 power amp --> stereo outs to 2 4x12 Marshall with stock GT speakers (power conditioner for all Monster 2500, Mogami and Monster cables); also audio technica m3 in-ears

Thanks in advance!!!
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I've not used/heard the GSP1101 but I just had a read of their sales blurb.  While on the surface the way you've patched your rig makes sense so you can have stereo effects (from GSP1101).  However, using the MP1 in the GSP1101 loop IMHO wont work as well as having the MP1 as your main preamp and the GSP1101 (or other multi effects device) in the MP1 loop (but effects not stereo  :( ), this will however, open up your MP1 to it's potential.  Part of the problem your experiencing with the MP1 sounds is IMHO the GSP1101 (try leaving it out altogether, ok no effects except MP1 chorus mmmm but I recon it will sound heaps better, particularly live).  Seems the general trend with other MP1 members is to chain a decent stereo effect device (Quadverb, TC, etc) after the MP1 (e.g. Guitar > MP1 outs L/R > effect ins L/R, effect outs L/R > poweramp in /L/R).  While this is a decent compromise IMHO it's not optimal as this way the MP1 is limited by the effect device's headroom and, unless the effect has an analogue pass through for dry signals (rarer these days), the MP1 analogue signal will be digitised so it's at the mercy of the effects A/D D/A converters.
Ok, I just checked out the GSP1101 block diagram in the manual, its loop is after the initial input and its loop returns are before all the effects so here are a couple of ideas based on using the GSP1101 as your effect device (but better/easier to use a dedicated multi effect unit):
1) GT > MP1, MP1 loop send > GSP1101 loop rtn (L), GSP1101 line out (L) > MP1 loop rtn, MP1 outs A/B > amp in (this should give you mono effects but the signal has been A/D D/A converted and (MP1 loop is series) wet dry mix of effects/signal happens digitally, (same for any digital effect without analogue dry pass through)).
2) GT > MP1 > MP1 out A/B > GSP1101 loop rtns L/R > GSP1101 line outs L/R > amp ins (this should give you stereo effects but again all wet/dry mix happens digitally in the GSP1101).
With either of these patchings, the best result will be only adding effects with the GSP1101 and turning off all (or as much as you can) the cloning/modelling stuff (e.g. take 1/4" target output system input from volume post cutting out the stereo cab, 7 band global eq (there's still the parametric eq if you need it) and low pass filter).
You can find the owners manual here (http://www.digitech.com/en/products/gsp1101), it's to large to attach, block diagram on page 55 may help understand my rant  ^-^
I've posted some other patching ideas for the MP1 if you look around here, one that seems promising is using an Art splitter mixer and 4 insert (TRS > 2 x TS) cables to maintain stereo all the way (some of that rave is in this topic (http://adadepot.com/index.php?topic=217.msg1279#msg1279)), better IMHO but a bit more complicated (again use the GSP loop ins and line outs).
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Thanks for the help....really appreciate it.  Still working on this, but a new problem has arisen.  I got a tc electronic g major partly to be a back up with the ada if the gsp goes out, but also to try different options.  Here's my problem: I had the ada in the loop of the gsp and worked well with switching the external / internal amp as needed.  Then I added the tc g major, with gsp loop send to line in on ada and ada outputs to g maj inputs, then g major outs to return of gsp.  All I get ISPs the clean patch from the gsp.   No ada or g major sounds, even though signal goes at least through g major b/c tuner pick up signal.  Ideas??? Completely lost hey adding g major messing everything up!  Thanks for your help!!!!
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Well the new kid on the block is the TC, seems the signal isn't going through it for some reason as the MP1 was working in the gsps loop.  Maybe try the TC in the gsp loop on it's own, if you can get that to work then bring the MP1 back into the loop.  A more traditional set up with a TC is to go MP1 > TC > stereo poweramp (wet/dry mix done on the TC), you could also try this set up to test out the TC.  If the TC is working properly, then it may be an issues with the gsp (e.g. gsp loop not selected for the patch ??) although that would seem strange given you had the MP1 working fine before.  Maybe it's as simple as turning the TCs master volume up (which BTW you can control with a Midi continuous control pedal)
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I'll just post my personal settings for a Pornograffitti-inspired tone, these work well for me, at live gigs, but keep in mind that so much depends on other parts of your rig (guitar of course, but mostly speakers and power amp) that you'll probably have to tweak anyway. At some point I switched speakers from V30 to Governor+Texas Heat and noticed I had to raise the presence quite a bit (or lower the other EQ settings).

By the way my MP-1 is mostly stock except for the noise mod and MDRT mod. Also my guitar is equipped with the Bill Lawrence L500 pickup, so you may have to raise the OD1 setting.

Anyway, here goes, and no guarantees:
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Name   Voicing  OD1  OD2  Master  Bass  Mid  Treble  Presence
Rythm  Tube D   4.6  6    6.5     4     -6   0       4
Lead   Tube D   5    6.5  7       4     -4   2       2

PS: yeah, I know, Pornograffitti is early 90s, but I think that's very similar to what OP has asked for.
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RandallRG

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Setting up patches at gig volume is a MUST !

Keep tweaking 'cause those types of tones are in there in spades.

A good effects processer will go a long way in nailing these tones also. If you don't have one that could be what you're missing(reverbs,delays,etc)

Cheers
X2! ^^^^"Gig volume is a MUST !" Dweiskopf.....Hey Dude I am right there with you. I grew up on 80's M-E-T-A-L!  :metal: I use my Digitizer 4 along with my MP-1 & I have got some Killer Delays with it! I have been experimenting like Crazy with my gear & it is finally coming around for sure. I could post some of my Patches for you Dude but I just jam here at the house & unfortunately I am NOT @ "Gig Volume"!!  Believe me I would LOVE TO BE but my Randall RG100ES B-L-O-W-S my mind on 2!!  Best Of Luck Brother! :metal:
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