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ADA Preamps => Original MP-1 => Topic started by: idouglascs on February 20, 2016, 08:38:46 PM
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Hi, I have a Marshall JMP-1 and a B200s Poweramp.
I really liked the ADA poweramp and was thinking about buying a MP1.
What I read about ADA MP1 tone is that it like a Hot rodded Marshall amp.
JMP-1 tones are all Marshall.
My question is: Will I have any benefit, better tone or feel, getting a MP1?
Thank you all
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I've not tried a JMP1, here's an extract from a JMP1 review I was reading.
"I've also owned an ADA MP-1 (http://en.audiofanzine.com/tube-guitar-preamp/ada/MP-1/?utm_medium=link&utm_source=audiofanzine&utm_campaign=netting&utm_content=product&utm_term=ADA+MP-1) and would say that they're two different beasts. The JMP-1 interface is much easier to master, but the MP-1 has the on-board light chorus effect that really punctuates the 80's rock sound."
IMO the ADA MP1/2 preamps are the best preamps ever made and still are.
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Hello igouglascs!
Out of all my pre's The JMP1 and MP1 are the 2 I use most. :thumb-up: Yes the JMP1 does Marshall tones, very well I might add but that is all it does, and the cleans are meh. The cleans with the on-board chorus on the MP1 are waaaaayyyy better. As rnolan said 80's tones, like Skid Row, White Lion, Racer X, Thunder, ect. just ooozze from the MP1. You cant get that type of a saturated 80's tone from the JMP1 unless you mod the hell out of it. They also sound great blended together with the right settings, complimenting each other giving you that "wall of sound". The MP1 feels "tubeyer" for lack of a better word, a bit warmer with a touch of compression.
They are very different sounding and have a different feel to each. If you can do it get both, you can cover a wide spectrum of tones! :metal:
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Hi, BUT...as i understand, you can mod your ada mp1 (3tm mod), to get close into marshall tone. I 've never tried it.
Does anyone have compared mp1 (3tm) & jmp1 ?
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Thank you all.
If they sound and feel diferent, than I will buy a MP1.
I was afraid they overlap.
I read somewhere that MP1 tone can be heard at Extreme III album. I listened and liked a lot. Is that really MP1's tone?
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They only overlap if you mod one to sound like the other. Completely different voicings.
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And the mp-1 has a tube distortion,the JMP-1 has not,the distortion is created with diodes and then the sound is pushed through a tube to warm up the sound.The JMP-1 is not a really bad preamp but if i could choose i'll take the mp-1.
Also in technical point of view marshall stole a lot of the mp-1's design except for the most imported thing,the tube distortion.
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Well Soloist has nailed it IMO (and he has both JMP1 & MP1 so can compare), I can't do that comparison. But I can say, I have a 1972 50 w Marshall, which was my main amp for a very long time (and I loved it), when MP1 came to Oz I bought one ( :whoohoo!: 128 Marshall's at whatever volumes I patched...). A while ago I got out the Marshall, chucked a few new boogie SPAX7s' in it and fired it up. The MP1 shits on it so bad.... and the MP2 IMO even more (I prefer the MP2 BTW, for lots of reasons, I do still like the MP1 though)
Like I said before, the ADA preamps are the best I've ever heard. If you run up an MP1 in stereo with your B200s, I'd proffer you'll melt.....
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I'm talking to a guy that is selling a MP1 and a Rocktron Piranha.
Maybe I can buy both preamps, I just need a lower price.
From what I was reading and listening on YouTube, the Piranha preamp is much more aggressive, like a Rectifier.
I think I became preamp addicted. Lol
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Preamp addicted? I know where there's a Rocktron ProGAP v2.0 for sale at a good price... ;)
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Yes I am a preamp addict.lol... I have a Piranha as well, great throaty pre. Well built, can be too fizzy or too muddy but nothing a good eq or tube power amp can't fix. It gives you those recto tones a stock jmp and mp1 cant. Basically a poor man's Triaxis. :thumb-up:
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CRACK GEAR! lol
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.. It gives you those recto tones a stock jmp and mp1 cant. Basically a poor man's Triaxis. :thumb-up:
Ohhhhhh I like the sound of that!!! :thumb-up: :thumb-up: :thumb-up:
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Yes I am a preamp addict.lol... I have a Piranha as well, great throaty pre. Well built, can be too fizzy or too muddy but nothing a good eq or tube power amp can't fix. It gives you those recto tones a stock jmp and mp1 cant. Basically a poor man's Triaxis. :thumb-up:
And what about your Gsp??how do you feeling with it ?
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I like the Gsp2101 much better than the 1101. For one thing the 1101 is all solid state :nono:, the 2101 is a tube driven preamp. also with the 1101 its 1 effect at a time, the 2101 I can use 8 eq's in a row if I wanted too.
Major learning curve to program it, I have been messing with it for a month and have only scratched the surface. The effects in it are excellent.
I have seen some y.t. vids where it sounds top notch but I cannot get those tones out of it (yet). I think most of the videos on it have been enhanced with reaper or Cubase.
Great cleans, having trouble getting the med gain and high gain tones I want from it. I might end up moving it from my live rig to the studio.
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I like the Gsp2101 much better than the 1101. For one thing the 1101 is all solid state :nono:, the 2101 is a tube driven preamp. also with the 1101 its 1 effect at a time, the 2101 I can use 8 eq's in a row if I wanted too.
Major learning curve to program it, I have been messing with it for a month and have only scratched the surface. The effects in it are excellent.
I have seen some y.t. vids where it sounds top notch but I cannot get those tones out of it (yet). I think most of the videos on it have been enhanced with reaper or Cubase.
Great cleans, having trouble getting the med gain and high gain tones I want from it. I might end up moving it from my live rig to the studio.
Well thank you for your feedback.
I am pretty interested to get one because the cleans
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I had a Voodoo Amps mod'ed JMP-1 and there were light years (many) of differences between the stock MP-1 and it. It was startling to play one and then switch right into the other. I had them connected to a Peavey Classic 50/50, one into each side, with each side of the amp going to half of the same 4x12 Ampeg cabinet. I would think there's quite a bit of difference between bone stock versions, as well. I've always heard and experience leads credence to ADA/Mesa versus Marshall when these two are compared. I played an ADA MP-1 into a Carvin X100B for years and loved it, however, recent experience has shown me I was always striving toward the Marshall tone, therefore, that's where I'm now at.
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And the mp-1 has a tube distortion,the JMP-1 has not,the distortion is created with diodes and then the sound is pushed through a tube to warm up the sound.The JMP-1 is not a really bad preamp but if i could choose i'll take the mp-1.
Also in technical point of view marshall stole a lot of the mp-1's design except for the most imported thing,the tube distortion.
I did not know this. Strange they did not decide to make the distortion from the tubes. I personally have no interest in the JMP. MJMP you should change your name, it does not reflect your loyalties at all :thumb-up:. Can I call you AMP1? If I just called you MP1 people might get confused on here I dunno :facepalm:
On different note, last night I was playing around with my stock MP1, I took the boost off and let my ears lap up the true original tone of it. As soon as I took the bass down, I found 1 classic Marhsall tone after another. Patch I was playing with first was close to Judas Priest, Storm Witch and a gizillian others bands using that driven Marshall sound. I couldn't believe how close it was. Then I flicked through a few other patches, same shit! Few little tweaks and I was getting all kinds of tones I recognise from bands I pray to everynight before bed! Truly an amazing device. I am so glad I bought it and the 3TM version. I'm defo loving the stock MP1 more at the moment.
The thing that got me about the early 80's Judas Priest patch was (OD1 4.4 OD2 7 Master 5 Bass 0 Mid-2 Trebel 2 Presence 4), the clarity of all the notes, how "chewey" the distortion sounded, how much of a reaction there was from the strings without having to push up OD1 and how alive it felt and sounded.
I am on the hunt for another! :thumb-up: Greed has always been my thing >:D
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Ha,well you can call me AMP1 :lol:
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When I bought the MP1 (brand new in the day) I had been a Marshall user for many years, but no master or channel switching on my 72 50w so hard to get a lead boost. Suddenly I could have 128 Marshalls in a box all at different levels :whoohoo!: . Never looked back, and then came MP2 with much better features, even better (for me >:D ).
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When I bought the MP1 (brand new in the day) I had been a Marshall user for many years, but no master or channel switching on my 72 50w so hard to get a lead boost. Suddenly I could have 128 Marshalls in a box all at different levels :whoohoo!: . Never looked back, and then came MP2 with much better features, even better (for me >:D ).
Me too. I was running two halfstacks = Marshall JCM800 and Carvin X100b, until I found my first MP-1. Then, I sold the Marshall, and the Carvin head. I kept the Carvin 4x12 cabinet for my new rack gear (I liked it better than the Marshall cab & I got more money for the Marshall as a set). From there, I sold the 4x12 in favor of a couple of home-made 1x12 cabs for many years. Bought the MP-2 and I was in heaven, until I bought my MP-1 Classic from Kim (thanks Kim! :thumb-up:) and then....
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I just now ran across this thread, and MJMP confirmed what I had already suspected about the JMP-1. It IS a weaker preamp!
Now I think I might have something to go on concerning a tube power amp for the Classic >:D
Harley 8)
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:headbanger:
The diode distortion is a similar feel to pedals, many of which were diode. ProCo Rat, is a great sounding pedal. The JMP-1 preamp has loads of gain, which is present at all times... I have a stock JMP-1 and enjoy it for many things. The amps I favor with it are the EL34 and EL84 amps to get the mid voiced Marshall sound, works very well for rounded lead sounds. The ADA MP-1 is almost an identical twin, but mine is virtually silent in comparison, and has a more aggressive bite, the ADA sound is distinct in that it is cleaner, and lacks some of the JMP diode character.
Tough to describe how a cleaner amp can be more aggressive, but the EQ voice of the ADA preamp pronounces slightly different frequencies. Depending on the output amp you will hear it differently. For the ADA the 6L6 lower section couples very well, I would hesitate to say either one is better. They are both exceptional. The team of developers over at Marshall clearly (clearly) know their tone. When the ADA debuted it offered some of that but with a slightly more modern take. The ADA tone stack is capable of scooping the mids much better than the JMP-1 and will lean towards Mesa better than the JMP.
But I also have Mesa Rectifier preamp, and it is a beast. The MP-1 sits between a Marshall and a Mesa, and can swing close enough to both to say it is more flexible. I have performed a 'Noise Mod' and it remains the quietest preamp, by far, many many years later.
Tempted to downsize, I can't justify selling anything without losing something. ADA, Marshall, and Mesa are all unique products, unique tones, incapable of duplicating each other. The tendency is to rely on Marshall for classic tones, the Mesa for modern tones and the MP1 for 80s rock.
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I had a Voodoo Amps mod'ed JMP-1 and there were light years (many) of differences between the stock MP-1 and it.
Just to clarify, I assume you meant a Voodoo Amps modded ADA MP-1, not a Marshall JMP-1.
BTW, Trey stopped doing these mods years ago, due to lack of spare parts. Sad but true..
I just now ran across this thread, and MJMP confirmed what I had already suspected about the JMP-1. It IS a weaker preamp!
I wouldn't call it weaker, but rather a different preamp for different applications. Those Iron Maiden guys have been using the JMP-1 for years; dunno if they still do, or if those might've been modded.
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Voodoo has stopped doing public mods altogether as of Oct 2016. G'morning Van.
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What do you mean by public mods ,that they do only pro mods? Or did they stop ?
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Correct, its under 'news'.
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Ah yes I see that they are putting more time in building amps.