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Title: Any ideas why my Quad switch ain't workin?
Post by: Dante on April 28, 2014, 08:25:11 PM
Here's the story: I use my quad switch to turn some effects on/off in my Boss GX-700 while using my MP-1 Classic for all the amp voicing. I picked up another GX-700 recently and today I did a midi dump into the new unit. (what a great feature that is). Now, my quad switch doesn't switch anything on/off anymore. Not in either unit. wtf?

I have changed absolutely nothing as far as settings, it just no workie. I tried rebooting, and the settings all appear to be correct in the GX-700. What gives?

I can live without the quad switch, but it sure makes my life easier....I have a gig this weekend, so I may just revert to the combo amp for that.
Title: Re: Any ideas why my Quad switch ain't workin?
Post by: rnolan on April 29, 2014, 09:09:27 AM
Hey Dante, bummer  :( , so the difference is you did a midi dump from one boss thingy to the other (allegedly same/equal) now it's all tits up (midi CC wise) ?, I'm sure your way ahead of me here but first thing I'd look at is CC assignment check (have the dumps defaulted CC assignments ? does that matter (probably?) i.e. they may not be transferred, but both units affected... depends on how the dump works..).  I'd proffer that a midi dump doesn't include CC assignments (as not all midi units handle CC), they "may" have defaulted, and you might have to reprogram the CC assignments (in both bossy units).
Title: Re: Any ideas why my Quad switch ain't workin?
Post by: Dante on April 29, 2014, 12:03:53 PM
Yes, all the CC assignments are fine. It's strange
Title: Re: Any ideas why my Quad switch ain't workin?
Post by: MarshallJMP on April 29, 2014, 03:25:50 PM
Did you try the midi monitor in the MP-2?

Do the leds go on on the quad when you push the switches?
Title: Re: Any ideas why my Quad switch ain't workin?
Post by: Dante on April 29, 2014, 04:01:19 PM
I have not tried the Midi Monitor, i will do that this evening.

Yes, all the lights work like before  :???:

WAIT...UPDATE: It is working with my original GX-700, not with the new one. I checked all the midi settings, they're fine, i think the unit is just busticated - it won't see the CC program changes...oh well, it's a backup unit.
Title: Re: Any ideas why my Quad switch ain't workin?
Post by: GuitarBuilder on April 29, 2014, 08:56:33 PM
Sounds like a MIDI channel problem?  Did you try another foot controller with the GX-700?
Title: Re: Any ideas why my Quad switch ain't workin?
Post by: Dante on April 30, 2014, 07:56:42 AM
So...during my troubleshooting, I took the Quad switch apart. I found that the input jack has a small PCB on the back of it, and that it had turned a bit the last time I tightened up the nut on the jack. It had turned enough that the small PCB on the back of the jack was touching the large PCB that controls the Quad switch. I can't confirm that it was making any kind of connection, but I put a piece of electrical tape between the two to be safe and tightened up the jack while holding the tiny PCB straight.

When I put the box back together, the Quad switch works fine in my original GX-700. It still is not working in the one I just picked up recently. I'm assuming the second GX-700 is broken, but I want to try a few more things before I give up.

My midi channels are set the same, my id numbers are the same, etc. etc. Each patch has the correct CC commands to turn individual FX on/off, but for some reason, they're not receiving the message from the switch. There has to be a setting in there somewhere that I'm not finding (yet)
Title: Re: Any ideas why my Quad switch ain't workin?
Post by: MarshallJMP on April 30, 2014, 02:48:42 PM
Ok keep us updated.
Title: Re: Any ideas why my Quad switch ain't workin?
Post by: Dante on May 01, 2014, 07:51:02 AM
I fiddled with that 2nd unit for a loooong time last night, and read the entire manual. As far as I can tell, it's broken.

All my settings match from one machine to the other, I tried multiple variations of running the midi cable IN / THRU the 2nd unit to see if that has any effect at all - it doesn't. The 1st unit turns the FX on/off just fine every time, regardless of where the midi cable originates.

So, I think I will try using the quad switch to turn features on/off in the MP-2 for that rig. I won't be able to switch the delay on/off by itself, but I can turn all the FX on/off...that might work. The MP-2 still has a decent chorus, compressor, and a wah that I can control with the Quad switch. I should be able to get through a gig like that.
Title: Re: Any ideas why my Quad switch ain't workin?
Post by: MarshallJMP on May 01, 2014, 02:20:38 PM
And do the program changes work?
Title: Re: Any ideas why my Quad switch ain't workin?
Post by: Dante on May 01, 2014, 04:16:36 PM
Yeah, all the other features work except the CC commands. It won't even recognize the CC pedal for the wah.
Title: Re: Any ideas why my Quad switch ain't workin?
Post by: MarshallJMP on May 02, 2014, 04:38:51 AM
try to hook up the mp-2 after the boss,(midi connection) and use the mp-2's midi monitor to see if the CC comes through.
Title: Re: Any ideas why my Quad switch ain't workin?
Post by: rnolan on May 02, 2014, 07:56:35 AM
Wire Shark for ADA  :lol:
Title: Re: Any ideas why my Quad switch ain't workin?
Post by: Dante on May 02, 2014, 05:59:43 PM
try to hook up the mp-2 after the boss,(midi connection) and use the mp-2's midi monitor to see if the CC comes through.

Done. Thanks for making me bust out the manual to find out what the midi monitor was  :lol:

The MP-2 saw all the messages as I stepped on the corresponding buttons of the Quad switch. Also sees the Wah pedal movement, but I can't seem to get the wah switch to show me a value. Maybe that's correct.

Here's the strangest part; NOW IT'S WORKING!  :amaze: The FX unit is responding just fine, FX are turning on/off as they should  :whoohoo!: 

Here's why: I may have had the midi cable connected like this; [MP-2 Midi OUT >> FX Midi IN] rather than [MP-2 Midi THRU >> FX Midi IN]

 :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

I had to go find this smiley just to thank MJMP enough:  :bow:
Title: Re: Any ideas why my Quad switch ain't workin?
Post by: MarshallJMP on May 03, 2014, 02:30:55 AM
Well glad that worked out fine.As for the wah switch,do you use an original ADA swell pedal.If so did you set up the MXC correctly?
Title: Re: Any ideas why my Quad switch ain't workin?
Post by: Dante on May 03, 2014, 09:24:06 AM
I tried that (holding 9+6 to get Srng) and it does not see the soft switch. It does see the pedal movement and the Quad switch values.
Title: Re: Any ideas why my Quad switch ain't workin?
Post by: MarshallJMP on May 03, 2014, 09:25:47 AM
Do the pedal calibration again.
Title: Re: Any ideas why my Quad switch ain't workin?
Post by: Dante on May 03, 2014, 10:15:09 AM
i went ahead and reset all the factory settings for the MXC, since I don't think I'm using anything strange. That worked, I was able to recognize the soft switch on the CC pedal via the MXC. However...the wah would activate in my GX-700 before the switch was clicked...the wah was turning on/off as soon as I had the pedal pushed all the way forward...very sensitive....too sensitive.

So, I thought I'd try the wah in the MP-2. The pedal seems to have zero effect on the wah in my MP-2. When I set the wah to 'on', it's on, but it does not switch on/off with the soft switch. When I change the midi assignment for the wah, it changes the frequency of the wah, but again, the pedal has no affect on the wah itself. Not to worry, I don't appreciate the wah in the MP-2 (I do like the auto wah though).

So, for now, I use one of the buttons on the Quad switch to turn the wah on/off, and the pedal to control it. That's working for me.
Title: Re: Any ideas why my Quad switch ain't workin?
Post by: MarshallJMP on May 03, 2014, 12:21:55 PM
If it's too sensitive you need recalibrate the pedal.As you know or not,there is no actual switch in the ADA swell pedals.Altough you hear a click,it's just a piece of metal.So how does it work,when you calibrate it you need to to put it to min value and then to max value.When you push the pedal and it clicks it will see it goes beyond the max value and it will send out a CC command.
Title: Re: Any ideas why my Quad switch ain't workin?
Post by: Dante on May 03, 2014, 01:22:35 PM
Thanks man, I really appreciate all the help on this :thumb-up:

When I try calibrating the button, the MXC gives me the P1 reply before it clicks...like as soon as I start the sweep. The pedal portion seemed to calibrate just fine though.