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ADA Preamps => Original MP-1 => Topic started by: FoneBone on June 16, 2014, 04:46:57 AM
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Hi,
I've modded my ADA MP-1 with the Mod3, and Noise Mod v2, but the tone is not what I expected. I would like to get some more high gain recto rythm sound. Is the Mod3.666 the better mod for this?
FoneBone
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Hey FoneBone, (I would like to get some more high gain recto rhythm sound), can you give me a bit more description of what your chasing, high gain I get, recto ??? ??? (I'm 54 heard lots of stuff over the years), rhythm, what sort? (e.g. I believe in Milkos hot chocholate - Soundgarden, feel the Rhythm while you can ??), not to be glib, just to understand, the MP1/2 can do lots of things...
I suspect you'd be happier with a MP2, my guess.. from what you've said so far.
Regards Richard
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The mod3.666 will have more gain but it will also sound different from the mod3.So if you're looking for recto tones go for the 3.666.
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Hey FoneBone, (I would like to get some more high gain recto rhythm sound), can you give me a bit more description of what your chasing, high gain I get, recto ??? ??? (I'm 54 heard lots of stuff over the years), rhythm, what sort? (e.g. I believe in Milkos hot chocholate - Soundgarden, feel the Rhythm while you can ??), not to be glib, just to understand, the MP1/2 can do lots of things...
I suspect you'd be happier with a MP2, my guess.. from what you've said so far.
Regards Richard
Thx Richard, I've meant the Rectifier sound. I'm searching for a sound like Alter Bridge or Creed have. I know that Mark Tremonti uses the Triple Rectifier, sometimes a Bogner Ubershall and other "bad monsters"!
Maybe this is more concrete.
Thanks in advance.
The mod3.666 will have more gain but it will also sound different from the mod3.So if you're looking for recto tones go for the 3.666.
Thanks MarshallJMP. Do you know any source of comparison samples of both mods?
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There are a couple of videos on youtube.
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There are a couple of videos on youtube.
I know... just thought about some direct sound comparison... maybe with the same rhythm pattern e.g.
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Hey FoneBone, ok I get you now I think. My ideas here will be more general as I don't have direct experience with MP1 mod(x) or Boogie Rectifier(s). However, I do know MP1/2 quite well and have played along side plenty boogie users. Boogies are (in my experience) very middy amps generally (although I note the web site says the rectos have better bottom end, good thing...), they are also very touchy (getting the tone controls right) but are very articulate in the mids (their claim to fame maybe).
MJMP is the mod master, so if he says the 3.666 is the best MP1 mod for your sound choice, it will be.
Many of us ADAers go with scooped (lowered) mids which is more the Marshall sound (more my thing), to make a boogie sound you probably need to play/tweak with the mids and feature them a bit/lot. Boogie even have their speakers made middy, I've got boogie 90w celestion 12s in my ADA slant split stacks, they are way more middy than other celestions.
It seems the rectos are chasing much higher gain, as are the MP1 3TM mods, so then it's down to tone/eq etc., the MP1 has the basic tone shaping (B, M. T, P), using a decent analogue graphic in the loop is an option (recto has 5 band graphic ?) (BTW MP2 has 7 band graphic built in and shitloads of gain...).
Anyway hope that helps you thinking... Cheers R
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Hey FoneBone, ok I get you now I think. My ideas here will be more general as I don't have direct experience with MP1 mod(x) or Boogie Rectifier(s). However, I do know MP1/2 quite well and have played along side plenty boogie users. Boogies are (in my experience) very middy amps generally (although I note the web site says the rectos have better bottom end, good thing...), they are also very touchy (getting the tone controls right) but are very articulate in the mids (their claim to fame maybe).
MJMP is the mod master, so if he says the 3.666 is the best MP1 mod for your sound choice, it will be.
Many of us ADAers go with scooped (lowered) mids which is more the Marshall sound (more my thing), to make a boogie sound you probably need to play/tweak with the mids and feature them a bit/lot. Boogie even have their speakers made middy, I've got boogie 90w celestion 12s in my ADA slant split stacks, they are way more middy than other celestions.
It seems the rectos are chasing much higher gain, as are the MP1 3TM mods, so then it's down to tone/eq etc., the MP1 has the basic tone shaping (B, M. T, P), using a decent analogue graphic in the loop is an option (recto has 5 band graphic ?) (BTW MP2 has 7 band graphic built in and shitloads of gain...).
Anyway hope that helps you thinking... Cheers R
Wow... I'm very impressed!!! Thank you so much! Will try to check some new settings, maybe in combination with the Mod3 and my custom Triple Wreck pedal... and try to post some sound examples later!
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the mod3.666 has also some changes in the tonesection with 2 trimpots to finetune it.
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The 3.666 "Recto/Soldano" Mod is KILLER Dude! :metal:
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The 3.666 "Recto/Soldano" Mod is KILLER Dude! :metal:
Sounds like the go, Steve would know :thumb-up: Steve (Randall dude >:D ) also uses a little MXR eq (is it 6 band Steve ?) which is analogue :thumb-up: and (or something similar) could help you tweak more recto sounds ?? Don't forget speaker choice however, boogie get their own special celestions made and they are much more articulate/abundant in the mids than the celestions in Marshall cabs, I know I have 4 in 2 of my ADA slant spit cabs
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Ok... I guess it will be the Mod3.666! One last question: Is there any difference between the "Do-It-Yourself".pdf and the tubeboard of MarshallJMP???
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The schematic is the same.Mine is fully populated,all new high quality components,wires and new PCB adapted for the extra components.Also with an original board you need to use a 9" OD2 cable going from the back to the front,my boards have a connection on the front so the wire is much shorter.You will also get the extra components for the mainboard in the kit and the 3.666 decal.
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Hey PhoneBone, obviously up to you, but personally, I'd go with the MJMP new tube board, he's all over this "like a rash" :thumb-up:
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I've ordered the parts today! And will post the results later! Thanks for all your help and suggestions!!!
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Ok let us know how it works out.
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Try just Tube Board Mods of the 3.666. By not.doing the Eq changes you'll get the high gain your looking for and retain the original sound of your Mp1. I'm still testing My High Gain mod. I've never liked the sound of the Mod 3,3.1 or the Stock gain mod.
Godde Changing a few resistors on Mod 4 obviously for gain would be an easy Update to post. I tried to Mod 4 and didn't really just not for my taste but when I started swapping a few resistors it got better for my taste. But a Mod 4 Mark 3 for added gain would be easy and I can help.
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Basically the 470k's,Changing the 20k.input Trimpot to 50k or higher. A few simple things.
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Here it is, a bag full of 3.666:
(http://i.imgur.com/LVoc6hkl.jpg)
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Have fun :thumb-up:
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Today I finished my MOD3.666. The amp now sounds awesome. But I think I have to replace the two trimpots for MID-SCOOP and BASS-BURST. Bought the wrong ones. Here are some pics:
Tubeboard:
(http://i.imgur.com/4IizbJU.jpg)
T2 (50k):
(http://i.imgur.com/QXGLjnU.jpg)
EQ-section:
(http://i.imgur.com/jcPkkOD.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/sbB9M6Hl.png)
@all: Thanks for your help!
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Ah i see you used 10 turn pots,correct?
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Ah i see you used 10 turn pots,correct?
Mechanical turns are 22... not very useful I think :D
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22 turns,wow,well you really can finetune the tone then :lol:
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Yessss :lol: , but I've ordered now two Bourns trimpots. I guess they will be better!!! :metal:
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Now I've changed the trimpots... much better by the way!
(http://i.imgur.com/lkj5q9ml.png)
But I've got a little problem: While setting up T2, the OD1-LED never ever lit up? I've checked the LED with a battery (while the amp was off!!!) and it worked! I've tested it with all of my three guitars. Any idea what's the problem???
OD2 lit up while playing the palm mutes with the Ibanez Jem :metal:
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Do you have OD1 and OD2 leds or input and OD1?
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Do you have OD1 and OD2 leds or input and OD1?
I have OD1 OD2 Master and EQ LEDs... guess it's one of the old units.
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Yep that is an old unit so in your case OD2 needs to lit up.
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Yep that is an old unit so in your case OD2 needs to lit up.
Thanks!!! :thumb-up:
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No problem
So you like it so far?
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It's nearly the sound I was looking for! :thumb-up:
I've tried to record the "Pull Me Under" riff... just as an sound example... please don't judge my bad skills :-[
https://soundcloud.com/fonebone2k/ada-mp-1-3666-pull-me-under-01 (https://soundcloud.com/fonebone2k/ada-mp-1-3666-pull-me-under-01)
PRS Tremonti SE -> ADA MP-1 -> Rocktron Velocity 100 -> Harley Benton 212 Vintage -> iPhone 5 (Recording!)
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Hey FoneBone, just listening the tracks, cool you guys cook.
You could use a little extra cut (pres 6khz IMHO) (I'm listening to very compressed tracks here BTW but through decent monitors). Bass sounds great in spoons (but also could use some sparkle (2k, 6k, 10k ?) also recommend he listens to Gary Thain Uriah Heap live, 70's tones but great playing and right up his alley), not so good in Fallen. I'm listening as I type this so my appreciation is developing... crap nice ending to Fallen.. Hey more tracks... vocals too loud and need more FX/verb and sparkle (18khz).
Apart from vox too loud last track was good (to me).
Ok Ballad again vox (way) to loud.... More Guitar !!!! this one is good otherwise great rhythm track, ok lead seems ok, guitar rhythm is to soft and vocals way to dominant.
Anyway that's my take so far, the alive cover/derivative is interesting, listening .
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Great Playing BTW, but I recon your sound needs more cut Pres (6khz) and a touch treb maybe that's what I'd do, but enjoyed the songs, great band, other post was mostly the sound/audio engineer in me.
Listening to the later tracks, they sound very good but vox way too loud comparatively (guit cooking BTW :thumb-up: ) and rhythm section (your lucky... they're great) But is mono from sound cloud ?
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Hey rnolan,
thanks for your "review". I guess we had needed (bad english?) your suggestions 10 years or more ago. The band has split up in 2006 and I decided to be more a father than a musician. Now, as the kids grew up, I've found more time to play guitar again, bought this "new" equipment and try my best! But thx at all!!! ;)
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Not bad but does need a Pres cut. Maybe i'm.getting too used to my mods but that sounds very sratchy
Whats your email so I can send you my Carcass demo. I used the Clean Tube the shittier sounding of the two.channels buts sounds Thick and brutal as hell .
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I've send you a PM! And I've found your demo in the Brutality Mod thread... awesome!!!!
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Hey, nothing wrong with being a father :thumb-up: , same happened to me and I'm playing a bit/lot more now she's older.. similar path I suspect ? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIr9nZ4aJfo) this is me pre child, MP1 live (in a warehouse), I play most rhythm floaty stuff, and 3rd solo. (BTW I've never heard the original song, bass player/singer (Bazz) said Gm blues, away we go)
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Very cool!!! :thumb-up: In my pre-child times I played an Line6 HD147 (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLudFZ2WQSAXFitaunVVEdTOLYW8TJ4jOL (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLudFZ2WQSAXFitaunVVEdTOLYW8TJ4jOL)) ... when my first kid was born I decided to sell all my stuff ... now my 2nd kid will turn three and I bought the MP-1 somewhere in 2013 ... cause I felt 'a little naked' without the possibility to play my guitars through an amp...
I hope, I will find more time to get back into music, and maybe to find some people for making music again!!!
I always played the rhythm guitar, some hook-lines or main-riffs, almost never the solos... and I've sang the backing vocals ;)
Interessted in a jam O0 ?
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Interessted in a jam (http://adadepot.com/Smileys/default/afro.gif) ?
Absolutely :thumb-up: , I put a song up for the Jurrie jam (http://adadepot.com/index.php?topic=451.0), Peter can send you a version to play to and Zilthy has put up a link to a .mp3 of the song (little memory, MP2 cab sims direct). Have a listen.
But also happy to jam on anything else :thumb-up:
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Would be great to be a part of it. But I don't know how to record my stuff the right way. Maybe you can help me ::)
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Happy to help, :thumb-up: I'm pretty new to how to make it happen over the internet.. I'm used to being in the same room..
So I put up a song of mine (Zilthy did this bit http://crystalcrayon.com/ada/Little_Memory_Extra.mp3 (http://crystalcrayon.com/ada/Little_Memory_Extra.mp3)) for people to jam to. Peter H Boar has the tracks now and can send you a mix with bits removed, or (I think) you can just record a wave (.wav) of your guit bits and he'll mix it in with the other tracks.
Are you able to record you guit ?
So you have a MP1, best way to record and not annoy anyone is ADA MCS2 or MCS3 cab sim (http://www.adaamps.com/Products/ada-GCS/GCS.htm) in MP1 loop (turn loop "on" balance gain (overall vol stays the same with loop in/out)), now when you are on that patch with loop on the signal is "cab simmed" and you cab plug the MP1 out a/b into L/R line inputs of your sound card or I/O device and then record it. To play along with the track you can use Audacity (Free) or other programs.
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I don't have a GCS-2 or 3, nor any other DI box... but I have an Apogee Jam interface. It has an built-in preamp. So do you think it's possible to connect the MP-1 with it?
While recording: is it okay to use any other effects like delay, phaser, flanger?
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Hey FoneBone, looking at the Jam, it's designed to take a guitar (instrument (milli volt) level) signal, you could try MP1 output into it (turn down output volume) and use the Jam level wheel (turn down). Older MP1s have a slide switch on the top which switches the MP1 output between line and instrument level, if you have one of them, switch it to instrument level. While this may work, I've no idea how it will sound, the Jam is going to try to turn it into distorted sound as it's expecting clean milli volt guitar signal. Does the Jam have a control interface/app on the apple device ? If so pick a clean flat sound
Regarding FX for recording, there are 2 main options, record with FX on "wet" (once recorded you can't change them so you have to get them just right) or record without FX "dry" and add them later in the mix, then you can change them until your happy.
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Ok, I just bought a GCS-2 and will get it in the middle of the next week. And I bought some other stuff :D an Intellifex Online and a BBE Sonic Maximizer 422A. Any idea how to connect them the best way? Effect Loop, in front of the preamp, between pre- and poweramp, Intellifex in front of BBE or vice versa?
Thanks for your help! :thumb-up:
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Hey go FoneBone, short answer yes I've got lots of ideas how to connect it. But it's going to be one of my long (I'm probably known for it now :facepalm: ) long/er answers.
I'm up for the Inteleflex (never used one but understand they are decent digital multi effect), BBE IMHO (but granted never heard one) why?? (hey but there are some members that like/love them ??? ).
The least you have to go through the better, and keeping an analogue guit signal from guit through to cabs the best you can get. So that's how I come at it.
The other principal worth noting, is as you can/afford it mix in the digital stuff, don't chain through it, the first thing the majority of digital gear does is A/D the signal (this is fine and how it needs to process it; but it's imperative (if you care about your sound) to keep it analogue through to the cabs (IMHO BTW)). So how to patch and do this ?
Ok You have MP1, put GCS-2 in loop an turn loop on (for recording or sending to the desk at a gig), the out put of MP1 A/B will be cab simmed. Ideally you'd mix in the digital effects and not chain through them.
Without a small mixer (e.g. Art splitmix) etc (see other posts) you'll have to chain through the gadgets e.g.Mp1 > Intellifex > BBE > poweramp > cabs. (not the best option BTW)
Ideally what you want is MP1> analogue mixer (combine/mix in digital FXs) > Poweramp > cabs, this will sound the best or your at the mercy of the A/D - D/A converters in the gadgets/ trust me they are very ordinary!
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For Mod3 and 3.666 users. I found that changing C73,C74 to .022uf has a pretty good Peavey 5150 mid sound. R151 can be left stock or changed to 2k for a more dramatic effect.