Ok ADA are doing the APP-1 (not tried one yet but one of us should, they look decent although no tubes (am I being a philistine... :( )) and some other re-issues/new(ish) of great flangers, cab sims etc. But personally, as an MP-1 now MP-2 owner, I'd like an MP-3 (ahh but what should it include? ??? ??).
To the extent that the ADA dudes look at this forum (I recon they probably do ?), maybe we cab give them a wish list ?
So I'll start (maybe in a 2 RU Unit priced less (and it will be better than the AxeFX ($3.5K in OZ))):
4 tubes and SS preamp, tubes configurable to stack them (1TM, 2TM.3TM, 4TM, 2 left/2 right ?).
2 Chan Cab sims
MP1, MP1 3TM (and variants) MP1 Classic, MP2 modes, + MP3 modes (hey happy top help develop these >:D )
Built in analogue/digital multi effects (e.g.) ADA Digital delay, Flanger, Lexicon Reverb
All the MP2 stuff (Wah/gate/Trem/eq etc)
quad or more parallel effects loops (6 would be good, and maybe on board mixer for the loops)
Real time midi etc
Multi country PSU
Well I don't know if they should do a full on preamp/multi effects unit, but it would be cool if they did it!
Besides what you said I would like it to have a good usb interface for setting up patches and for direct recordig with or without poweramp and mic simulation...
Absolutely El Chiguete, USB interface, Wi Fi/Blue Tooth smart phone app/integration, direct recording. re-amp support but analogue signal/tubes at the core. Hopefully they are listening to us :thumb-up:
I would totally buy this, though it would have to be more akin to the mp1 / 3tm than the mp2 - i had an mp2 and sold it on after a week , as i found the distortion to resemble ART processors and other non ADA units. The mp1 dostortion is where its at ! :banana-guitar:
I like the idea of a built in cabsim option ! Not sure why ada released those little pedals ; although they are fun , its only halfway to what the customers wanted ! Maybe as there are so many original mp1's going about still , they are afraid to release an inferior unit , or conjur the opinion "the old ones are better" and their new unit not sell..
I noticet he cost of digital boards today , Line6 , Boss GT series, even the silly priced axe fx - and when you think you get an ADA for under £300 , i would buy the ADA every time ! Over 20 years since its creation and its still top sound for me, by a mile ! :banana: :metal:
Why don't we make our selfs,enough braincells floating around here. :lol:
Quote from: MarshallJMP on April 01, 2014, 11:24:09 AM
Why don't we make our selfs,enough braincells floating around here. :lol:
Sertantly with all your knowlage you cold do one!!! :homer:
Something that the MP1, MP2 and Classic have different is that they are analog devices that let you save presets :metal: This is something that I believe makes them different and sound so great!
Is it too much to ask for analog effects too??? :???: :???:
I agree, if Roland did mostly analog midi-controlled effects with the GP-8 then why can there not be a few analog effects to go with it? While I'm dangerously behind the tech curve for my age, the i-pad connectivity would be a big win in my opinion.
I think the MP-1 chorus circuit is a keeper if you can find the right components to match the original, maybe even a TFX4-like configuration but with the midi control capabilities instead of the individual switches. That said, it would be awesome if one of the modes would be fuzz pedal friendly just to add a wild card dimension.
Quote from: kawai2g4b on April 01, 2014, 11:17:19 PM
I agree, if Roland did mostly analog midi-controlled effects with the GP-8 then why can there not be a few analog effects to go with it?
Well I don't know why but I just think that the price of this is RIDICULOUS!!! http://www.vintage-revolution.com/products/pedalpro/
My thoughts on an MP-3 would be to strip it down to more basics similar to the MP-1 Classic set up.
I'd keep the chorus, built in cab sims, stereo outs (with the chorus, duh!), and an on board noise gate.
Other than that, I might not even make it programmable. Don't get me wrong, I loved my MP-1 and MP-2 while I had them... but, the interface on my ISP Theta Preamp and my (now gone) Engl e530 were VERY simple. I'd still have the Engl if it had a built in noise gate. If I ever have the funds, I'd step up to the Engl e570, but it has SO much going on compared to it's little brother. The ISP Theta is so simple but HIGHLY versatile... simple interface is very attractive to me...
The notion of a small built in power amp like the Engl e530 is also VERY appealing... The e530 was great to use that way when I had it. Both the ISP and the Engl have built in cab sims (frequency compensated outs) that I did like; I just like my ADA GCS-2 even more!!
Imagine an MP-1 with fewer controls... maybe knobs as opposed to buttons. No programmable MIDI storage, just channel selection...
And keep it a rack unit, of course!
My two cents!
How about an MB-2? I'd like to see maybe a 6 band EQ with sweepable corner frequencies for all bands. Also more contours on each preamp section. Maybe some more built in FX like a reverb and envelope filter. It would also be nice if I could edit the position of the external FX loops to before or after the compressor, before or after the EQ, at the input, etc. etc. Also, I like the compressor a lot, but I'm sure it could be updated. :banana-rock:
Quote from: McLeanAB on April 02, 2014, 09:56:48 AMImagine an MP-1 with fewer controls... maybe knobs as opposed to buttons. No programmable MIDI storage, just channel selection...
I'm sorry but this is one of the main reason why me and many others like it... no MIDI storage = I won't buy! :nono:
Well i agree with El C,it must have midi and it has to be programmable.
You could have both; a simple, knob based interface and midi programmability. I had a Peavey ProFEX, it had four knobs on the front with an LED indicating where they were programmed for that patch. You could reach over at any time and change the knobs to your liking, then save the patch. Quick. Simple. KNOBS.
I like where you guys are going...I have to say, I really like the suggestions BrokeDownSouth (BDS) had for the MB-2. That sounds interesting.
I agree on knobs and parallel loop :homer:
Quote from: MarshallJMP on April 02, 2014, 01:57:23 PM
Well i agree with El C,it must have midi and it has to be programmable.
Real time midi is a fundamental for me, we could borrow some ideas from the guy doing the MP1 (remember that post) revamp, also I'd like at least 3 stereo parallel loops, it would be nice to be able to place them in different parts of the circuit as BDS suggested.
Line or instrument level input and output switches to let you use it depending on your rig???
Also cab and power amp simulation?
Just mash-up a Quad Tube preamp section with an MQ1, a TFX4 and an Ampulator...
Id love to see an exact reissue of the the MP-1, and maybe some of the combo amps that they had. Most guitar players today have never heard of ADA, and unless they could market an MP-3 at a low cost i don't see it competing in todays market especially with all the buzz about the axe-fx. What do you guys think about the axe-fx? It sounds okay, but it honestly still sounds digital and fake to my ear.
Quote from: j_weeks on June 07, 2014, 08:47:11 AM
It sounds okay, but it honestly still sounds digital and fake to my ear.
+1 A firend of mine owns one,it has nice effects but the distortion sounds really digital.
Quote from: j_weeks on June 07, 2014, 08:47:11 AM
Id love to see an exact reissue of the the MP-1, and maybe some of the combo amps that they had. Most guitar players today have never heard of ADA, and unless they could market an MP-3 at a low cost i don't see it competing in todays market especially with all the buzz about the axe-fx. What do you guys think about the axe-fx? It sounds okay, but it honestly still sounds digital and fake to my ear.
The way I see it, every few years a very hyped. well made product makes a debut. If you build/design it right, design it to be dead reliable, make it sound spot on and market well enough the buyers and mythical status will come. It happened with the Axe-FX within its price range and it will happen in the future. Now would I like to see a cheaper alternative? Yes. But I will have no quarrels with ADA if they get it right, regardless of price.
I think a well designed MP3 would blow the Axe-FX away particularly for live/stage use (not their forte from what my friend who owns one told me but handy for recoding and for those who like to digitise the world). Also the Axe-FX is designed to be everything to everybody, clone every amp speaker combo, effect etc. Personally I don't want to clone any of them, I have my own sound and the ADA MP1/2 are perfect for that. Some more flexibility for mixing in digital effects (not chaining through them e.g. 3 parallel loops) would be nice. Not to mention the Axe-FX is around $3.5k, I think a MP3 could come in under that.
my two cents - - EXTERNAL POWER SUPPLY - - ( lol, it's all I got....) :cheers:
Hey Will, MJMP will know better than me but an external power supply for a tube preamp may be a bit problematic as the power transformer has taps for tube heaters. Not that you couldn't make one I spose but it would need to be a custom job with a custom connector and probably expensive in the end for little advantage.
I also vote to keep MIDI programmability; it's just too time-consuming to recreate multiple sounds on stage otherwise. Having said that, I would enjoy having the flexibility built into the Eventide Harmonizer and the ability to download/share presets or control the MP-3 via iPad or iPhone.
Audio-wise I feel the tube preamps are vital; nothing else sounds quite like it. While I'm a huge fan of Lexicon's digital delays and reverb, I still have a soft spot for analog chorus and echo, and maybe even a tube reverb circuit!
My greatest beef with the old ADA gear is the front panel and the user interface. I'd rather see something with knobs and sliders, like the Nobels SST-19 or with better pushbuttons, like the Rockman XPR. Both of those combine good controls with full MIDI programmability.
I would want to see a dedicated foot controller with foot pedal as well, like the Lexicon MPX-R1. The ADA MXC was nice, but too generic. I'd like to see some dedicated foot switches for direct control of effects and modulation.
Quote from: rnolan on June 13, 2014, 11:52:49 PM
Hey Will, MJMP will know better than me but an external power supply for a tube preamp may be a bit problematic as the power transformer has taps for tube heaters. Not that you couldn't make one I spose but it would need to be a custom job with a custom connector and probably expensive in the end for little advantage.
Standard 12V AC / 1A Wall Adaptor, about £12/$15. The 12V AC could be used directly for heaters, or made into 12V DC. The HV could be generated by an additional low power internal transformer in reverse configuration. The +/-15V/Others could be generated by charge pumps. Done before. Need to consider earth path back through PSU though.
Quote from: GuitarBuilder on June 14, 2014, 07:25:49 AM
My greatest beef with the old ADA gear is the front panel and the user interface. I'd rather see something with knobs and sliders...
I actually like the layout of the ADA gear, but I don't like the way you can easily save a preset on the wrong bank... this has happend to me a couple of times and really pisses my off! :facepalm:
I think that cramming too much stuff in one unit is aside the point.
It is SO easy to get effects of all kinds nowadays, I would leave that stuff out.
There are loops to achieve this and I would dedicate the effort towards the core idea: Tones.
A front face with knobs is the ideal. Works faster. And MIDI storage just makes sense.
You can always decide not to use the MIDI banks if you will...
For owning all the incarnations of ADA preamps, I've been secretly wishing to have such a thing as an MP-3:
-Keeping the 3 original channels of the MP-1 and adding the Clean Tube and Brown Channel of the Classic.
I still have a soft spot for the original MP-1's Clean Tube channel which covers such a lot of ground, from clean to classic rock tones.
-Onboard noise gate
-Original MP-1 Chorus (Not a must actually, but the MP-1 Chorus is too cool)
-Recording outs with cab sims
Assuming that ADA would put the money into quality components to make the thing as quiet as possible (Unlike the MP-1 at high gain settings), I would trade off happily bells and whistles (That I can add with loops) for basic performance, great wide quality tones that can be trimmed and stored around.
By making a simpler unit, it would help it being competitive on the market.
I think we all buy tube guitar preamps to get great natural tones...and for wahs, effects, verbs and shit, there is an array of choice
out there already. No need to mess with that.
My 3 cents... ::)
Hey Chucky, couldn't agree more (although it would be nice to have some of the lovely analogue ADA effects (flanger, chorus, multitap)), which is why I'd like mixable 3 stereo parallel loops to use for outboard FX units so as to keep the analogue signal analogue...
Like to see larger display with ability to increase or decrease brightness.
Maybe an A/B option inside a patch so you can store on the same patch 2 settings on the same patch? or at leat be able to control by real time CC control... OR let you store using an expresion pedal settings for when the pedal is down and for when the pedal is up!
Hey El, it's a good thought, should be versatile so you con scope it how you want it.
Although these day I run with 3 or 4 sounds and MP2 vol pedal, 90% on same sound, use it now for both rhythm/lead , seems the older I get the more simple I like it...
Ok here are my thoughts. Same Color scheme and at least 3 racks spaces high. The unit needs to have digital interface like before Stereo Series and parallel possibly with a tube buffer. Cab Sim out like the MP2. The unit would be nice if it had four voicings Clean channel(tube) and dirtier Clean Tube , Distorted Tube and Solid State Clean. Id lime to see a Tone Pad similar to have I have replaced in all my MP1s. Also at least three push buttons to engage different resistors to push the gain stages harder or softer for the players given need. I also like a Mid freq selector and low cut boost like I have also installed in the MP1s I work on. A input level would be awesome for different PU outputs. It would be very nice if each channel had its own tube board to make each channel independent from one another.
Oh yea last but not least ADA in huge ass letters.
Also not really interested to see it loaded with any Fxs or noise gate like MP2. Their is better board get that has corner that market.
Forgot to add the feature to be able to customize the display for your presets.