ADA Depot - A Forum To Support Users of ADA Amplification Gear
Miscellaneous => Discussions => Topic started by: El Chiguete on August 24, 2015, 07:24:26 PM
-
Since now that the Super Distortion comes with more cables for different setups why do they keep making the Dual Sound?
-
Hey El, are they the same PU otherwise apart from additional leads ? If they aren't the same then they will sound different, maybe some prefer the dual sound ? particularly if it isn't as "hot" as the super distortion.
-
[...]When you get a DP101 Dual Sound, you're also receiving in the container a switch which can be immediately used to facilitate the extra modes of wiring - used to be a mini double pole switch, and nowadays you'll find a compact format push pull pot, 500k with a DPDT switch.
That, the name and model numbers are, as already pointed out, the only differences; the pickup itself is identical[...]
-
Yeha last night I noticed that too doing research. The reason why I ask is because yesterday I was on a local music store looking out for studio headphones and wondering thru the store I asked about the pickups that they have. There was a couple of other Dimarzios and that Dual Sound that when I ask its at half the price you find in the internet because it was on sale! For sure they probably had it for a long time and just want to get rid of it because no body wants it BUT I've been wanting to get again a Super Distortion for one of my guitars and I believe I shouldn't pass this offer :)
-
Half the price = no-brainer!!
-
Half the price = no-brainer!!
+1 :thumb-up: snavel it while you can :whoohoo!:
-
I finish work and go straight there!
-
Cool, let us know how you go :wave:
-
I've been busy the last couple of days to take time to put it in the guitar and do testing AND this weekend I might go out of town, but I will try to do that ASAP!
-
I don't understand this either. The dual sound is the Super Distortion DP100. A 4 conductor version. Every SD I have has four cables. I have only see 2 conductor verions that are really old like from the 70's.
I own 5-6 of these and they all have 4 cables with a seperate shield wire. Weird Dimarzio still list it as a seperate model. But hey if you got a bargain what to go! I'm big fan hence having so many of them in my bridge.
-
Dual Sound®
DP101
Take a Super Distortion®, include a push-pull pot for series-parallel or single-coil operation and you have the Dual Sound®. The extra flexibility puts cleaner, crisp tone choices at your control. Lighten up on the lead tone in parallel operation, then roar back in with the standard series position. Use the single-coil mode along with your neck or middle pickup for chopping rhythm tones. If you need brighter, more transparent sounds from your bridge or neck pickup without sacrificing wide, singing crunch, the Dual Sound® nicely fills the bill.
So it is the same output 425mV, bass/mid/treble ratings are the same. The only difference is the push/pull pot.
I have a DP100 super distortion and love the tone from it. :metal:
-
Dual Sound®
DP101
Take a Super Distortion®, include a push-pull pot for series-parallel or single-coil operation and you have the Dual Sound®. The extra flexibility puts cleaner, crisp tone choices at your control. Lighten up on the lead tone in parallel operation, then roar back in with the standard series position. Use the single-coil mode along with your neck or middle pickup for chopping rhythm tones. If you need brighter, more transparent sounds from your bridge or neck pickup without sacrificing wide, singing crunch, the Dual Sound® nicely fills the bill.
So it is the same output 425mV, bass/mid/treble ratings are the same. The only difference is the push/pull pot.
I have a DP100 super distortion and love the tone from it. :metal:
so there we have it, its the same. Anyone can wire a push pull pot or mini toggle to have series split or single coil options. DP100 splits really nicely too I might add.
Hey man I love DP100 also :thumb-up: . It gives my guitars a big load midrange and BALLS! It's pretty loud too although some people will claim DP100 is medium output pickup compared to some that are out there now days. I personally think it is a high output humbucker.
-
Well thanks to the storm that was supposed to hit us today (but in the last minute changed course) I was out of my work from noon and my evening plans got canceled for today... so that ment I had time to relax and put the pickup in!!!
I didn't get the chance to really test it because my rack is waiting for replacement batteries (probably would of had them by today if not by the storm) but I could at leat test it out on my Epiphone Valve Jr amp at low volume because its 10pm and I can say that for sure I will be happy with it!
More testing latter :)
-
Well after some few tests with this pickup all I can say is that I don't know why I waited so long to put it on!!! It immediately makes you sound like the classic heavy metal sound and thats JUST WHAT I WANT!!!
-
Well after some few tests with this pickup all I can say is that I don't know why I waited so long to put it on!!! It immediately makes you sound like the classic heavy metal sound and thats JUST WHAT I WANT!!!
This is why I bought so many.
It's weird no one uses them anymore. I bet they come back into fashion. I liked that no one uses them these days hahaha
I am the only person in my country I know who uses them. People over here are f**king stupid though when it comes to Heavy metal sound! Proper Heavy Metal sound and none of that extreme shite death metal ballax!
-
Yeha for sure is an underated pickup... that is fine by me because it meens I can get them cheap! lol
BTW where do you live rabidgerry?
-
I live Belfast, Northern Ireland (Ireland but the bit still owned by Britain)
How much do you get em for El?
I might be after another one, F spaced. I'm thinking of airbrushing one I own already in red to match the paint of the axe it's in.
Underated is perhaps the word today for it, or may be forgotten???? But the DP100 or the Dual sound as we are calling it here is a very very very famous pickup, and it's regarded as a classic since it has been used by so many great players (Adrian Smith, Dave Murray, Glenn Tipton, K.K Downing, Ace Frehley, Paul Gilbert, J.J French............................so many more guys)
It's just not used as much these days. It was the first commercially available replacement pickup so when it came out it made a big impact. And I'd say it was a big seller right up until the 90's. I just don't know of anyone now days who still uses them. I know I do and NOW you do :thumb-up:
I'll tell you something else!! It sounds superb clean!!!! I have some clips to post of another pre amp I own and the clean sound I got from a Squier Showmaster with the DP100 in it was awesome.
-
Yeha I think people forgot about them when the manufacturers started doing more specific or artist model pickups and since ALL the great players that you mentioned them are my heroes its just what I need :)
Actually I got this one allmost half price at a local store because it was on an offer since nobody wanted to buy it for loooong time, but even if you go on ebay, amazon or any online musician store is still cheaper than most of the other models.
-
anymore left in this store?
Did you get an F spaced?
Also have you split the pickup? As in employed a switch so you can go series/parallel/single coil?
I have yet to do this on any of my guitars using the dp100 but I will soon. I had it on before using another pick up and it's a nice mod.
Yeah K.K Downing and Glenn Tipton are who mainly influenced me to try the DP100 two of my heroes.
-
Jaja no more on that store sorry... I would of got the other jejeje.
Its F-spaced that since its on a guitar that the bridge humbucker is slanted it was ment to be used with a regular pickup but this one fits like a glove!
I havent done the split yet but might try it out in the future.
BTW im thinking of combining it with its single coil version on the neck after hearing this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpbGXiw8xLI , now I have a Hot Rails version on the guitar its in and I really dont like the neck tone!
-
ohh well
no harm in asking.
Sorry you confused me about the neck pickup options.
So what do you have in there at the moment?
And you don't like this so you want to put in a super distortion single coil sized version into the neck pickup space?
-
The guitar I put in the Super Distortion is a '87 Kramer Stagemaster Custom and at the moment it has a Seymour Duncan Hot Rails in the neck (when I bought it it had that installed by a previews owner) but im getting too much muddiness from it so I want to change it.
Here is a pic of my guitar, its an old pic when it still had a Floyd Rose II in it the the prev owner also installed but now it has a proper black OFR with big brass block!
-
where is the pic??? I see nothin?
I have an FR II on a strat of mine. I have actually heard these are decent bridges. The one I have seems to be all steel as it sticks to a magnet unlike the zinc alloy stuff. I was going to swap mine out for a schaller but then I learn the FRII's are supposed to be good and apparently some are stamped as in "made in germany". I can say that it does seem ok and functions well however I will put the big brass block on it at some point.
-
I dont know why it didnt upload, here it goes again. Well my version of the FRII is was made of a week alloy and it wasnt double locking so to upgrade back to the OFR that came stock was badly needed!
-
With my DP100 super distortion in the bridge I use a DP180 Air Norton S in the neck. Beautiful tone and 0 muddiness! :thumb-up:
Check it out.
Air Norton S™
DP180
The Air Norton S™ is the Strat® replacement version of the full-size Air Norton™. It’s warm sounding, very well balanced, and has the same unique tonal characteristics as the original. The original Air Norton™ wasn’t designed for a specific position or type of guitar, but it has become most popular in the neck position of trem-equipped guitars for progressive music. The S version is also a very good bridge pickup for all types of rock. Its combination of medium output and harmonic bite are very effective for single-note soloing as well as chords.
Treble: 5.0
Mid: 7.0
Bass: 6.5
Output: 280
-
I dont know why it didnt upload, here it goes again. Well my version of the FRII is was made of a week alloy and it wasnt double locking so to upgrade back to the OFR that came stock was badly needed!
Is that the original trem that was on that guitar? Looks like a schaller trem I have on my Korean squier silver series. Which is a good trem. Schaller is floyd rose after all, they make their parts (apart from the Korean made stuff).
I only know one way to try test the metal, by magnet. The cheap crap doesn't stick. I think with the Trem on my Squier and the one in your photo the base plate is allow, same as a regular schaller (not the all steel lockmeister) but the saddles are steel. same spec as this
http://guitar-parts.biz/hp135038/Schaller-Tremolo-Right.htm (http://guitar-parts.biz/hp135038/Schaller-Tremolo-Right.htm)
so alloy base plate steel saddles and steel knife edges (which are interchangeable which is a great idea!!!)
My floyd rose II looks identical to the schaller baseplate on my Silver Series Squier, however the FRII has completely different saddles from the schaller. A lot of this stuff is made in the same factories.
With my DP100 super distortion in the bridge I use a DP180 Air Norton S in the neck. Beautiful tone and 0 muddiness! :thumb-up:
Check it out.
Air Norton S™
DP180
The Air Norton S™ is the Strat® replacement version of the full-size Air Norton™. It’s warm sounding, very well balanced, and has the same unique tonal characteristics as the original. The original Air Norton™ wasn’t designed for a specific position or type of guitar, but it has become most popular in the neck position of trem-equipped guitars for progressive music. The S version is also a very good bridge pickup for all types of rock. Its combination of medium output and harmonic bite are very effective for single-note soloing as well as chords.
Treble: 5.0
Mid: 7.0
Bass: 6.5
Output: 280
Nice one man. I have been looking for ideas for neck pups you know. I will keep this in mind. Although I am a bit of a noisey single coil fan. I was looking into dimarzios options and I'm not sure which I like the sound off. Also I need to find them at the right price :thumb-up:
-
Is that the original trem that was on that guitar? Looks like a schaller trem I have on my Korean squier silver series.
NOOOO its not jeje. Originally it came with a black OFR that one on the picture was put in there by some previews owner dont know why... and BTW its a crappy trem for sure!
-
Hey El, so that hot rails is an early one and is fine for the neck (I had one in my Profile Tele until I busted it, albeit it's designed as a strat bridge PU) but you should/could change your toggle switches to 3 way (parallel, off, series) at least for the neck and bridge PUs (in parallel it will clean up the mud, or combined series with bridge in parallel >:D ). Or if you can find an Ultrasonic Ref 3 (again use 3 way toggle) even better (my fav). After I busted mine in the tele I put in a new hot rails (SD say it's the highest output PU they make), it was way too hot for the neck (much hotter than the older one (which is the same as yours)), but SC got me an Ultrasonic from german evilbay, :thumb-up: :whoohoo!: . So I think I'll put the new hot rails in the bridge of my (daughters, yeah right) squire strat..
Do you understand PU parallel, series, split coil wirering ? I'm also assuming your guitar has 3 toggles which are just on/off. (and please tell me you've cleaned and oiled the fingerboard since that photo....).
@RG, the bridge looked like a schaller to me as well.
-
Jajaja yes that is an olddddddd picture I did, good care cas come after that LOL. I was thinking too it was a bridge model for sue not my taste! Now they are neck fersions of the Hot Rails that might be better but this model has left me with a bad taste in my tone mought jeje.
The vol knob has a push/pull knob for the neck that sounds and I was thinking of adding a Seymour Duncan TS-1 Triple Shot Mounting Ring for the bridge... but those are for secondary tones, I need to find first a neck pickup that I like its main series tone.
-
Hahaha what a f**king legend :banana-upsidedown:
Isn't Derry a City as well Rusty?
I wouldn't say Belfast was great for rock............except us......but I'm biased :lol:
Rusty I bet we are. If you have had MP1s since 89 and you have never come across anyone else over here with them then I guess me and you ARE the only two. So that makes us special nutters man!! And proper rock monsters, unlike the little assholes and their line6 amps!! jaaaaaaaaaaaaayyysus
-
Oh aye I know Derry. Been threw it once or twice when I went down to visit a girl I was seeing in LetterKenny. Nice place.
I didn't go about it much, dunno if I saw the free part or not lol
We've hijacked this thread a bit so I shall reply in pm my man.