Ok so reading now an interview of the Maiden guys in Premier Guitar I just read something that has me VERY interested in knowing more!!! :banana: :banana-dance: Well it looks like he has said it before (did a quit search on google) but Adrian says this:
http://www.premierguitar.com/articles/23207-iron-maiden-out-of-thin-air?page=2 (http://www.premierguitar.com/articles/23207-iron-maiden-out-of-thin-air?page=2)
"PG: Did you use any new amps on the album?
Smith: I chop and change. When I rejoined the band, I was using an ADA with a power amp. Then I switched to the Marshall JMP-1s, which Janick and Dave were using. And then I thought I'd do something different and I went back to the Marshall heads. It's a different sound."
So my fav Maiden player used part of the same gear I have!!!!!! :whoohoo!:
So we HAVE to learn more of this!!! How can we get in touch with him to tell us more of this, how he used it, where and what settings did he use?
Come on guys, thru all of us working together we must find a friend, of a friend, of a friend that can get in touch with him!!!
Up The Irons!!!!!!!! :metal:
Hey El, contact premierguitar and ask them to pass on an email or something, They obviously know how to contact him. A good place to start I'd suggest :thumb-up:
Well he didn't use it for very long :dunno: So he's a traitor now El. You should be sending him hate mail!
Premier guitar will not give out details. Your best bet is through Faceb**k. That is how my own band have spoken to the bigger bands. Premier will have arranged the interview with Adrian via Iron Maidens management. It's very unlikely Premier just rang up Adrian Smith and said "hey yo Ad fancy a chat?"
They best piece of gear I think Maiden used was all of this:
http://www.thenostalgiashop.co.uk/photos/1.822872moreinstrumentadverts018.jpg (http://www.thenostalgiashop.co.uk/photos/1.822872moreinstrumentadverts018.jpg)
Gallien Krueger 2100sel
Gallien Krueger 250ml
solid state!!
Somewhere in Time era and Seventh Son era!!! I'd kill for those sounds in my pocket!
EDIT: i FOUND THIS
http://www.lchr.org/a/8/1m/images/instruments/ironmaiden_adrian_2000.gif (http://www.lchr.org/a/8/1m/images/instruments/ironmaiden_adrian_2000.gif)
Adrian´s Rig, Brave New World / Rock in Rio:
Marshall JMP-1 preamps
Marshall 9200 power amps
2 Marshall 1960-B 4x12 Cab
Shure Wireless systems
DCR-1SR Rack Wah
TC Electronics 2200 Delay
DBX Compressor
ADA MP-1 Midi preamp
Yamaha MFC10 Midi Foot Controller
Roland Gr-33
Ibanez TS-9 Tubescremear
Whirlwind Multi-Selector 4-Channel Selector
Peavey Tubefex Tube Preamp & Multi-Fx Unit
Digitech Whammy Pedal
Fender Custom Shop HSS FR-Strats with DiMarzio Super Distortion HB and Texas Special SCs
(http://files2.soniccdn.com/old/314994946eb126471d.jpg)
On the old depot there was also a rig pic of adrians rig with the mp-1.
My fav sounding maiden albums are number of the beast trough powerslave.Classic marshall mxr distortion sounds.
Quote from: MarshallJMP on October 21, 2015, 06:31:52 AM
On the old depot there was also a rig pic of adrians rig with the mp-1.
My fav sounding maiden albums are number of the beast trough powerslave.Classic marshall mxr distortion sounds.
don't forget the super distortion!! That was a big part of those sounds also.
Great tone as you say MJMP.
Still prefer the late 80's though
I did post this earlier in a link, show you how he had it set up......................at one point
(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k114/themetalmartyr/ironmaiden_adrian_2000.gif) (http://s86.photobucket.com/user/themetalmartyr/media/ironmaiden_adrian_2000.gif.html)
I just like these early 80's classic metal sounds.
Quote from: MarshallJMP on October 21, 2015, 01:23:44 PM
I just like these early 80's classic metal sounds.
And surely by now you know I do also? It was only a week ago I was asking how we got some of those Accept tones and the Tokyo Blade sound on the early records.
I must say the Tokyo Blade sound is nothing like Maidens though. Doesn't have that tweedy strange texture.
Check out this song as well MJMP what do you think Peter Masson is using? It sounds similar texture to the early Tokyo Blade, perhaps a distortion+ also?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T48x8tSdYvA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T48x8tSdYvA)
Early Grave Digger is awesome. Not sure I can dig the later stuff as much. Too much "EPIC" theme to it.
Could also be a boss DS-1 distortion.
Quote from: MarshallJMP on October 22, 2015, 05:24:59 AM
Could also be a boss DS-1 distortion.
How would one use a ds-1 with an amp? I've never got got results using one into an amp. Only had good results going into a clean amp.
I worked out that what I like about that MXR distortion + It's the fuzzy edge that doesn't dominate but adds in a nice texture to the overal distorted guitar sound. Really cool and a lot more interesting than the distorted guitar of todays guitarists.
Well just listen to Gary Moore's album Victim of the future,all marshall + boss DS-1,awesome sound.
And the old Japanese DS-1's sound a lot better then the Taiwanese ones.I still have my first one i bought in 1984.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI7j-QRJy3U
Quote from: MarshallJMP on October 22, 2015, 01:30:24 PM
Well just listen to Gary Moore's album Victim of the future,all marshall + boss DS-1,awesome sound.
And the old Japanese DS-1's sound a lot better then the Taiwanese ones.I still have my first one i bought in 1984.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI7j-QRJy3U
No there is no doubt about that is f**king great sound.
I literally read yesterday this
Quote from: MarshallJMP on October 22, 2015, 01:30:24 PM
old Japanese DS-1's sound a lot better then the Taiwanese ones
Just out of curiostiy. The boss GT5 and GX700 (all analogue drive section) and GL100 )all contain basically every boss distortion/OD there was at the time they were made. Given that they were made in Japan, does this mean their DS-1 would be the same as the japanese version?
Give me an idea how you would run a DS-1 into a marshall? Get the marshall clean as possible?
Don't know about those multi effects but i do know the old boss me-5 did have the ds-1 inside.
As for the setup,yes i either take the lowinput of the jcm800 and set it clean, or i take the older heads , bridge the channels and also set them clean.
But for best results set it loud.
When I had my Marshall DSL I would run a DS-1 into the crunch channel, gain on amp about 3.
On the DSL's clean the DS-1 just didn't have enough hair for me so on that channel I used the Boss power stack and later a Wampler Plexitortion.
Even though the tones were nice sounding I never could get it to match the tone in my head. :facepalm:
That why I don't own any of those pieces any more. :thumb-up:
You will never get a tube sound with a pedal,but it can give some interesting tones sometimes.
Quote from: Soloist on October 23, 2015, 10:30:56 PM
When I had my Marshall DSL I would run a DS-1 into the crunch channel, gain on amp about 3.
On the DSL's clean the DS-1 just didn't have enough hair for me so on that channel I used the Boss power stack and later a Wampler Plexitortion.
Even though the tones were nice sounding I never could get it to match the tone in my head. :facepalm:
That why I don't own any of those pieces any more. :thumb-up:
I never try to match anything myself as in use it to try replicate even though in essesnce an MFX unit is trying to replicate. When I use i anything like that I just try and get good sounds, perhaps in the same vein as other gear but I'm not trying to get the exact sound.
Well I experimented. The GT5 has all analogue drive section as I mentioned probably 3000 times on this site so it's actually saught after believe it or not because Boss have had nothing like it since. The GT3 came after and was basically the same only smaller. It too had analogue drive section and according to some this basically meant all boss ods/distortions at your disposal.
Anyways I digress. I basically took to experimenting at the weekend. I got something nice like those tones we have been talking about MJMP. I think I was afraid to try the distortions on the GT5 you know, but I'm glad I have.
What I did was, picked the Distortion 1 (basically a DS-1 style distortion), then I picked a marshall amp MS1959. This then went through the speaker sim I use independent of the GT5.
I really liked the results. More tweaking might be required but I was getting something similar to those Tokyo Blade and grave digger tones I like. Perhaps a change in the marshal pre might be worth doing. Not sure if I was using the model that has input 1 and 2 run into one another. I must go check.
The 1959 model is the 2 input amp.(100W 1987 is the 50W)
Quote from: MarshallJMP on October 26, 2015, 07:43:10 AM
The 1959 model is the 2 input amp.(100W 1987 is the 50W)
I know that but....................one option allows me to use the first input, the second option allows me to use the second input, then the 3rd options allows me to run the two inputs together. So should I use the input 1 option?
Edit!!!!! Sorry you have already answered this question by saying use the option where I have the two inputs in parallell (or is it series??)
I run them togheter,channel 1 adds more treble,input 2 more bass.
I think that would be parallel then. But anyway, yes there is an option for this preamp so I will run the DS-1 into that set up clean. It's kinda cool sounds. Has the fuzzy edge. Not my usual style. But cool none the less. Thanks MJMP.
Hey RG, it's like with my '72 Marshall 50, it has 2 separate input "channels" (lead, bass) with 2 input jacks (which are wired in parallel for/in each channel). So as this amp is very toppy, I made a small patch lead, So guitar into lead jack 1, lead jack 2 (which is in parallel to lead jack 1) to Bass jack 1 (via patch cable). Each channel has it's own input vol pot and it's own gain stage(s), 1 allegedly optimised for lead, 2 optimised for bass. The 2 gain stages combine and you can vary the amount of either with their vol knobs. So add some bottom end and sounds better is why I did it, seems similar to what you are talking about ?
Yeah you're right richard, I never knew anything about those earlier marshalls though and their odd channel system so I never really knew what it was my FX unit was saying to me when it offered these three options. Now I know.
And what I noticed is the DS-1 works good with the two channels in parallel or else channel 2 the more bassy channel.
MJMP I find it hard to get the ds-1 uniform. It seems to fuzz up the bass strings a lot and not so much the trebel strings. and then I am left with unbalanced sound as the un fuzzed strings cut through and are a lot louder. I really am enjoying the combos of the marshall pre and the ods and distortions. It seems to work will with my fav the od-1. Get a lot of Gerry style distortion with an OD-1 infront of the marshall PRE.
I must post some clips after I get those pickup clips sorted.
Hey RG, well back then it wasn't an odd channel system. This is from the days where every one plugged into the same amp (so guitar into lead channel, bass into bass channel), when I bought the Marshall, it was being used as a fold back amp. Sounds like crap BTW compared with MP1/2 (not that it sounds bad), maybe I should sell it.. Though I have ideas to mod it.. The early Marshall's also don't have a master vol, so to make mine sound reasonable, I have to use a power soak (bunch of resistors between power amp and speaker) so I can be in the same room as it when I turn it up to sound decent...
Well Gerry,don't forget you're not using the real thing here so it will sound different,but it works great for me.I even use a SD-1 sometimes in front of the Ds-1 to have more gain and a more defined sound.Another pedal i use a lot is the Boss metal zone.
Quote from: MarshallJMP on October 28, 2015, 07:55:38 AM
Well Gerry,don't forget you're not using the real thing here so it will sound different,but it works great for me.I even use a SD-1 sometimes in front of the Ds-1 to have more gain and a more defined sound.Another pedal i use a lot is the Boss metal zone.
I know it's not the real thing but we're talking about rough ball park area :)
I find the Metal distortion modules on the GT5 may be sound a little more like the DS-1. i DUNNO. On that unit there is some degree of going through the same circuit I guess other wise how could they fit all those analogue boss od/distortion tones into one unit eh? Well I find the metal Distortions and Roland JC pre selected on the GT5 pretty good but with an EQ tailored as well. The response of those distortions is great. I should record some findings. I have a lot to demo for people! Trying to find the time though :facepalm:
Here is a pic of Adrian's rig, featured in Guitarist magazine, june 1999 edition :)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/Pheutos/IMG_1502.jpg)
Awesome find! Now I have to look around to see if I can get that hole issue to download :)