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Author Topic: is the MP-1 chorus placed before or after the loop?  (Read 1913 times)

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El Chiguete

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This has been said before (and I've asked it myself too) but I don't remember.
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after the loop.
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So I guess that means if I run some reverb in the loop, the reverb will hit the MP-1's chorus?  :banana-rock:
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@El, hey mate, haven't heard from you in quite a while  :wave:

@Syntho, yes, IMHO the MP-1 loop is not the best place for reverb,  I would prefer to reverb my chorus not chorus my reverb.  The chorus is also where the MP-1 becomes stereo (well pseudo stereo)
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I've always placed my Reverb unit, between the preamp output and the power amp, since all of mine are stereo, and all of the preamps have stereo outputs.

   I don't use them in the loop in general.
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The problem with me putting it after the MP-1 is that it'll be on constantly. With the loop, I can make patches that have the loop on and off and can switch it with the press of my MC-1. If I had a more advanced midi patcher thing then maybe I'd run it like that.
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Your reverb unit has a bypass, doesn't it?
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Who wants to reach over and turn it on/off all the time?  :)
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The bypass on those can't be programmed into the MIDI controller? I didn't know that, but I've never had a QV.
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Yeah you can't midi control the bypass on a qv or alot of other multi fx for that matter, however I used to use a boss latching pedal to bypass it. Also had a boss momentary pedal for my tap tempo. :thumb-up:
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You know, it's been a long time since I had to deal with that, that I almost forgot about the Digitech DSP-128 I used to have. It also didn't have a MIDI controllable bypass.
    What I ended up doing was to create a blank preset with absolutely no effect at all, and saving that as my bypass patch.
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I use a basic program of light stereo delay and chamber reverb for every patch (but it could be a blank patch instead) and then specific QV patches if/when needed, also sometimes just make a copy of the MP-1/2 patch but assign it a different Fx patch (eg include flange etc).  I use the midi mapping in the QV so multiple MP-1/2 patches use the same QV patch (just have to watch out for the slight numbering difference as QV goes 000 - 127 and MP-1/2 goes 001 - 128, so QV 127 = MP-1 128).  I set up a bank of 10 MP-1/2 patches, so a couple of cleans, a few crunch/rhythms, a few lead and vary the Fx patches to suit.
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Slightly off topic, but is there some sort of midi patcher hardware system that's good? I could program a patch on it so that when I hit the 1, 2, 3 switches etc with my foot, it'll send program change messages to both the MP-1 and to the QV. That way I could have a different effect for each patch, all without having to reach for my QV at all.

Wait, now that I think of it, can't I just use the 'thru' port on the back of the MP-1 and feed that to the QV? I think that's what you were trying to explain in the first place but I didn't understand  ;D
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Yes, there are alot of midi switchers that will do just that. I use a voodo lab ground control pro, but there are all kinds with varying pricing. Berhinger, ADA, Rocktron just to name a few. You could pick up a used one fairly cheap.
Midi controller out to mp1 midi in
MP1 midi thru/out to qv midi in.
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Hey Syntho, you can do what you want/need with the MC-1 as I said just what out for the numbering difference (MP-1/MC-1 001 = QV 000 etc).  You can feed the midi patch changes to the QV via MP-1 midi through (just passes the MC-1 patch change message on), the MP-1 midi out will also work but it gets its patch number from what the MP-1 is set to. So if you press a front change button rather than the pedal to change a patch or if the MP-1 midi mapping has been modified from 1-1 mapping.  The MP-1 also has a "panel" mode I think  :dunno: , I know MP-2 does, so if you use the front buttons to change patches the patch changes are fed to the midi through as well (so your Fx change as well).

So you easily set up a different effect for each patch (or the same effect by either copying it to a new patch or use the QV midi mapping (as I do)).
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