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ADA Preamps => Original MP-1 => Topic started by: El Chiguete on May 19, 2014, 01:08:05 PM
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This has been said before (and I've asked it myself too) but I don't remember.
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after the loop.
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So I guess that means if I run some reverb in the loop, the reverb will hit the MP-1's chorus? :banana-rock:
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@El, hey mate, haven't heard from you in quite a while :wave:
@Syntho, yes, IMHO the MP-1 loop is not the best place for reverb, I would prefer to reverb my chorus not chorus my reverb. The chorus is also where the MP-1 becomes stereo (well pseudo stereo)
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I've always placed my Reverb unit, between the preamp output and the power amp, since all of mine are stereo, and all of the preamps have stereo outputs.
I don't use them in the loop in general.
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The problem with me putting it after the MP-1 is that it'll be on constantly. With the loop, I can make patches that have the loop on and off and can switch it with the press of my MC-1. If I had a more advanced midi patcher thing then maybe I'd run it like that.
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Your reverb unit has a bypass, doesn't it?
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Who wants to reach over and turn it on/off all the time? :)
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The bypass on those can't be programmed into the MIDI controller? I didn't know that, but I've never had a QV.
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Yeah you can't midi control the bypass on a qv or alot of other multi fx for that matter, however I used to use a boss latching pedal to bypass it. Also had a boss momentary pedal for my tap tempo. :thumb-up:
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You know, it's been a long time since I had to deal with that, that I almost forgot about the Digitech DSP-128 I used to have. It also didn't have a MIDI controllable bypass.
What I ended up doing was to create a blank preset with absolutely no effect at all, and saving that as my bypass patch.
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I use a basic program of light stereo delay and chamber reverb for every patch (but it could be a blank patch instead) and then specific QV patches if/when needed, also sometimes just make a copy of the MP-1/2 patch but assign it a different Fx patch (eg include flange etc). I use the midi mapping in the QV so multiple MP-1/2 patches use the same QV patch (just have to watch out for the slight numbering difference as QV goes 000 - 127 and MP-1/2 goes 001 - 128, so QV 127 = MP-1 128). I set up a bank of 10 MP-1/2 patches, so a couple of cleans, a few crunch/rhythms, a few lead and vary the Fx patches to suit.
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Slightly off topic, but is there some sort of midi patcher hardware system that's good? I could program a patch on it so that when I hit the 1, 2, 3 switches etc with my foot, it'll send program change messages to both the MP-1 and to the QV. That way I could have a different effect for each patch, all without having to reach for my QV at all.
Wait, now that I think of it, can't I just use the 'thru' port on the back of the MP-1 and feed that to the QV? I think that's what you were trying to explain in the first place but I didn't understand ;D
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Yes, there are alot of midi switchers that will do just that. I use a voodo lab ground control pro, but there are all kinds with varying pricing. Berhinger, ADA, Rocktron just to name a few. You could pick up a used one fairly cheap.
Midi controller out to mp1 midi in
MP1 midi thru/out to qv midi in.
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Hey Syntho, you can do what you want/need with the MC-1 as I said just what out for the numbering difference (MP-1/MC-1 001 = QV 000 etc). You can feed the midi patch changes to the QV via MP-1 midi through (just passes the MC-1 patch change message on), the MP-1 midi out will also work but it gets its patch number from what the MP-1 is set to. So if you press a front change button rather than the pedal to change a patch or if the MP-1 midi mapping has been modified from 1-1 mapping. The MP-1 also has a "panel" mode I think :dunno: , I know MP-2 does, so if you use the front buttons to change patches the patch changes are fed to the midi through as well (so your Fx change as well).
So you easily set up a different effect for each patch (or the same effect by either copying it to a new patch or use the QV midi mapping (as I do)).
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Hey Syntho,
The Ground Control is probably the best one for that, and it's very easy to set up for it. I've been using mine for over 20 years for controlling various brands of equipment, and it also has a setting to compensate for the offset program change numbers like your QV. It may cost a bit more, but it's worth the investment IMHO.
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Hey Syntho,
The Ground Control is probably the best one for that, and it's very easy to set up for it. It may cost a bit more, but it's worth the investment IMHO.
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I agree 100% :thumb-up:
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I'm sure the ground control would be a good gadget to add but you don't need to, your MC-1 will be fine for what you are putting together, just chain through the QV in stereo and set the patches up :thumb-up: using the MP-1 midi thru. I ran my MP-1 rig this way and now my MP-2 rig, the main difference is I use a small 8ch desk and run the QV off the Fx sends and rtns on the desk (stereo parallel loop in effect), which just makes it all so much easier. Without the GCntl off set (nice feature BTW), you just have to adjust the QV midi mapping table 1 less, eg select MP-1 patch 112 (my main rhythm patch), in the QV I want to map that to QV patch 000 (my basic del/rev patch), so the QV "hears" the MC-1 change as 111, so in the QV midi mapping I make 111 = 000, so when MC-1 sends 112, the MP-1 goes to 112 and the QV goes to 000, too easy... I map most of my MP-2 patches to use QV 000 (eg MP-2 110 (QV mapping is 109 = 000, MP-2 111 is 110 = 000 etc) so just one less in the mapping on the QV midi mapping table.
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The Ground Control has the offset to compensate for the differences in MIDI program change commands, but that isn't all it does. The Ground Control also sends commands on individual MIDI channels for up to 8 devices,(at least on my older model, newer ones may accommodate up to 16 devices). This way when you set up your patch changes, you assign the program presets to each device as you are programming the patch, then save it in a location on the Ground Control.
It's much simpler than MIDI mapping, and much faster.
Plus, the Ground Control also allows you to plug in two passive volume pedals into it, and assign these as MIDI Continuous Control to any device that can accept it. It's a much more powerful tool than just a simple program change pedal.
Used in conjunction with the GCX Switcher, allows the Ground Control to bring non-MIDI devices in and out of the signal chain, up to 8 devices again.
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Slightly off-topic; I have a Ground Control 7, a more primitive version of the Ground Control and wouldn't mind a power source with a longer, y'know, cable? Will any power supply work as long as the voltage lines up or is it like the Midiverb and you have to order one special?
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There was another floorboard system that I can't remember the name of. It had audio inputs and outputs, so it was a patchbay and switching amps and FX could be done with the press of a single switch. I remember it being nearly $1000 used back in the day. Anyone know the name?
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You're talking about the GCX Loop Switcher.
You can also use the GCX, connected via MIDI cable to the Ground Control to supply power to the Ground Control. A regular 5-pin MIDI cable is all that's needed.
I never heard of a Ground Control 7, but mine is the original version with two rows of black buttons. I bought it when only V.1 was out, then ordered the IC upgrade when V-2 came out.
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While the GC would no doubt be good, and yes may to some extent make the mapping easier :dunno: , it's not required so no need to spend any money (unless you want to), neither the MP1 or QV have midi continuous control (CC) so the passive CC pedals will be of no use with your current units. hey CC is great if your unit(s) support it (eg MP2 and later Fx units like GMaj2). The mapping is easy and just has to be done in the QV as I described it.