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Title: MP-1s for spare parts and crazy people around
Post by: Iperfungus on January 21, 2017, 04:20:17 PM
In these days we discussed a topic here and there with DJC, rnolan, MJMP and some other guys here: once you found a good MP-1, you could consider buying another one for spare parts.
A non working unit at a low price would be a good candidate, like this one:

http://www.ebay.it/itm/ADA-MP1-preamplificatore-audio-valvolare-tube-preamp-/222379976425?hash=item33c6e126e9:g:QgwAAOSwopRYfQUG

It doesn't work, but you can buy it for a few bucks and keep it for parts.
This would be a good deal, at the end...23 euros is currently the best offer...and I bet it will go for less than 40 euros.

I'm lucky enough to be relatively close (meaning that we're both located in Europe) to MJMP and I already bought from him some spare parts for my MP-1 (pots, battery holder + battery, a 2.01 EPROM).
If I would buy a 2nd MP-1 with issues at a reasonable price, I would rather sent it to MJPM for service and repair, to have it working right as a spare unit.  :headbanger:

Other people is not lucky as I am and would prefer to buy another unit for spare parts.
But there's a problem: crazy prices and crazy people (and crazy shops).

As I wrote, I bought a MP-1 in very good conditions for 190 euro, shipment included.
It's a very good price, I know...and the unit perfectly works.

By the way, I had a look around...and found these:

https://reverb.com/item/1595612-ada-mp-1-midi-programmable-tube-guitar-preamp-overdrive-chorus-vintage-rack

http://www.ebay.it/itm/ADA-MP-1-CLASSIC-MIDI-VALVE-PRE-AMP-UK-VOLTAGE-JUST-SERVICED-original-MANUAL-/122286113346?hash=item1c78d20242:g:wncAAOSwcLxYC1YY

http://www.ebay.it/itm/ADA-MP-1-3TM-3-TUBE-MOD-ULTRA-PLUS-TRANSFORMER-BASS-NOISE-MOD-FREE-USA-SHIPPING-/172477897511?hash=item28287bdb27:g:w5AAAOSw4GVYKMPB

http://www.ebay.it/itm/1980s-ADA-MP-1-Mutli-Effects-Unit-with-MC-1-Midi-Controller-all-Original-/281746781164?hash=item41996ab3ec:g:Er4AAOSwHnFVoSmL

http://www.mercatinomusicale.com/mm/a_ada-mp-1-pre-distorsore-multieffetto-valvolare-midi-da-rack-ultimo-ribasso_id4804263.html

Seriously???

 :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

I've read "it's in perfect conditions but clipping leds stays on until you flick them" or "it's like new but Output knob has some noise in it"...then it's not LIKE NEW....and those prices are crazy.

Then look at this one:

http://www.mercatinomusicale.com/mm/a_ada-mp-1-preamp_id2795270.html

The seller is a shop here in Italy.
They wrote: in perfect condition, fully functional in all its parts.
200 euros.
Then you've a look at pictures and you'll see that:

1) the power cord has been cut and modified
2) the send/return loop is missing a jack
3) the Output Level pot is missing its knob
4) it's a 1.38 unit, so probably battery is dead...and maybe tubes are dead as well...these shops do not test stuff they sell!

 :crazy:

One month ago I tried another in a shop near here.
Same price, same story: sold as brand new and noisy, with scratchy pots, missing screws, probably dead battery and so on.
It's still there in the shop, unsold.

Maybe I've been lucky a lot, having found my Mighty One at first try and at a good price, I don't know.
But why should I spend more than 200 euros for units with issues when I payed less for a perfectly working one?

I'm just wondering, generally speaking, what would be a reasonable price for a second unit one would keep for spare parts.

What do you think about, guys?

Are we the fools or there's plenty of crazy people around?

Title: Re: MP-1s for spare parts and crazy people around
Post by: DannyjoeCarter on January 22, 2017, 12:40:57 AM
In these days we discussed a topic here and there with DJC, rnolan, MJMP and some other guys here: once you found a good MP-1, you could consider buying another one for spare parts.
A non working unit at a low price would be a good candidate, like this one:

http://www.ebay.it/itm/ADA-MP1-preamplificatore-audio-valvolare-tube-preamp-/222379976425?hash=item33c6e126e9:g:QgwAAOSwopRYfQUG

It doesn't work, but you can buy it for a few bucks and keep it for parts.
This would be a good deal, at the end...23 euros is currently the best offer...and I bet it will go for less than 40 euros.

I'm lucky enough to be relatively close (meaning that we're both located in Europe) to MJMP and I already bought from him some spare parts for my MP-1 (pots, battery holder + battery, a 2.01 EPROM).
If I would buy a 2nd MP-1 with issues at a reasonable price, I would rather sent it to MJPM for service and repair, to have it working right as a spare unit.  :headbanger:

Other people is not lucky as I am and would prefer to buy another unit for spare parts.
But there's a problem: crazy prices and crazy people (and crazy shops).

As I wrote, I bought a MP-1 in very good conditions for 190 euro, shipment included.
It's a very good price, I know...and the unit perfectly works.

By the way, I had a look around...and found these:

https://reverb.com/item/1595612-ada-mp-1-midi-programmable-tube-guitar-preamp-overdrive-chorus-vintage-rack

http://www.ebay.it/itm/ADA-MP-1-CLASSIC-MIDI-VALVE-PRE-AMP-UK-VOLTAGE-JUST-SERVICED-original-MANUAL-/122286113346?hash=item1c78d20242:g:wncAAOSwcLxYC1YY

http://www.ebay.it/itm/ADA-MP-1-3TM-3-TUBE-MOD-ULTRA-PLUS-TRANSFORMER-BASS-NOISE-MOD-FREE-USA-SHIPPING-/172477897511?hash=item28287bdb27:g:w5AAAOSw4GVYKMPB

http://www.ebay.it/itm/1980s-ADA-MP-1-Mutli-Effects-Unit-with-MC-1-Midi-Controller-all-Original-/281746781164?hash=item41996ab3ec:g:Er4AAOSwHnFVoSmL

http://www.mercatinomusicale.com/mm/a_ada-mp-1-pre-distorsore-multieffetto-valvolare-midi-da-rack-ultimo-ribasso_id4804263.html

Seriously???

 :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

I've read "it's in perfect conditions but clipping leds stays on until you flick them" or "it's like new but Output knob has some noise in it"...then it's not LIKE NEW....and those prices are crazy.

Then look at this one:

http://www.mercatinomusicale.com/mm/a_ada-mp-1-preamp_id2795270.html

The seller is a shop here in Italy.
They wrote: in perfect condition, fully functional in all its parts.
200 euros.
Then you've a look at pictures and you'll see that:

1) the power cord has been cut and modified
2) the send/return loop is missing a jack
3) the Output Level pot is missing its knob
4) it's a 1.38 unit, so probably battery is dead...and maybe tubes are dead as well...these shops do not test stuff they sell!

 :crazy:

One month ago I tried another in a shop near here.
Same price, same story: sold as brand new and noisy, with scratchy pots, missing screws, probably dead battery and so on.
It's still there in the shop, unsold.

Maybe I've been lucky a lot, having found my Mighty One at first try and at a good price, I don't know.
But why should I spend more than 200 euros for units with issues when I payed less for a perfectly working one?

I'm just wondering, generally speaking, what would be a reasonable price for a second unit one would keep for spare parts.

What do you think about, guys?

Are we the fools or there's plenty of crazy people around?

OK Brother now you see what I have been going through for the last month  >:(  people selling these things in "MINT CONDITION" and "Excellent for it's Age" and this is why the seventh MP-1 is coming to us Tuesday!
 And you are correct Sir, having a second or even third unit is a must I say because we know you can't get parts. And if you are handy with a soldering iron and take your time you can do your own repairs with all the invaluable information right here on this forum.

 I would say $100.00 at the most for a none working MP-1, not sure what that comes out to in euros.

But here's a promise I will give each and every member of this forum; any of the MP-1s I decide to sell on EBAY, not Reverb, I will let you all know on here first and give a FULL and accurate description of the unit and why I'm selling it. My handle on everything including Ebay is my name, "Dannyjoe Carter" and you can look up my perfect feedback history of 20 years on there with not one negative feedback ever!!!!!!

 We need this forum and can try and help others on here look out for each other not have to go through what I and others have gone through in purchasing these tone monsters!  :thumb-up:
Title: Re: MP-1s for spare parts and crazy people around
Post by: rnolan on January 22, 2017, 05:52:11 AM
I had a quick look the other night because Richie_B could use a decent unit while he sorts out his chorus issues.  The couple I saw were going to cost over $1200 AUD to land them here WTF, and sending them back from Australia if there's an issue  :facepalm: .  We have a buy/sell section, only members can post, and generally people are honest here and offer fair prices, hey the unit owes you what it owes you and postage is just what it is (f&cking expensive to Australia  :facepalm: ).

In all my time involved with the depot and ADA gear, I've never come across so many reports of dud units before.  Sure tubes are old(er), battery may need doing, caps are getting a bit noisy.. but how do people let their gear get that bad and then try to palm it off as good..
Title: Re: MP-1s for spare parts and crazy people around
Post by: Iperfungus on January 22, 2017, 01:27:02 PM
You see guys...the main reason I started this thread is sharing opinions and information.

I trust everyone of you, so I would not need any other feedback if I wanted to buy something from you.
I'm sure you would be more than clear about what you'd like to sell.

But I wouldn't trust some other people that easily.
And I trust many shops also less, specially when they are online selling used items and it's clear that they did not test them, they don't know them or both.

At the end, I've done the right choice when I left that MP-1 in the shop or when I decided to buy not modified MP-1s.
As I already wrote, I refuse modified units mainly because sellers write "mods done by the most qualified techs" but they do not tell WHO these people are.
I would spend 400 euros for that MP-1 Ultra+ because MJPM did the work there and I perfectly know I can trust him and his name is the best warranty.
But I woulnd't spend 250 euros for a unit modified by who knows who and how.

As Richard stated and Danny discovered himself, it looks that in these times is very easy to buy damaged or non working units and this is a shame, because the MP-1 is one of the best MIDI tube preamps ever made and its fame doesn't deserve this.
Furthermore, people is not honest in many cases.

" but how do people let their gear get that bad and then try to palm it off as good.."

Well, they try...and if they find the right buyer...

What made me decide to buy my MP-1?
A couple of phone calls with the seller.  :lol:
He has always been fair in his emails, sending pictures where I've seen that the unit was in good conditions.
Then we spoke and it has been clear to me I could trust him.


 
Title: Re: MP-1s for spare parts and crazy people around
Post by: MarshallJMP on January 22, 2017, 03:38:03 PM
Well some people know what they are doing when they do the mods them self but there are also a lot of people that don't and they can mess up their mp-1's pretty good.I've seen it all  ::)
Title: Re: MP-1s for spare parts and crazy people around
Post by: Chamai on January 22, 2017, 08:45:30 PM
bought my first MP1 v1.38 all stock 2 years ago for $250 CAD. really good condition, a few scratches on top. found another in rougher condition a month later and picked it up for $150. this one had the v2.01 chip and i plan on using it as a spare. the battery on the spared died first heh. always have an extra one. these things are getting rarer and you don't know when you will come across one.
Title: Re: MP-1s for spare parts and crazy people around
Post by: DannyjoeCarter on January 23, 2017, 12:04:38 AM
Well some people know what they are doing when they do the mods them self but there are also a lot of people that don't and they can mess up their mp-1's pretty good.I've seen it all  ::)

 Amen! I found that out the hard way  >:(  I can only imagine the stories you could share MJMP  :o
Title: Re: MP-1s for spare parts and crazy people around
Post by: Iperfungus on January 23, 2017, 12:45:56 AM
Look at this:

http://www.mercatinomusicale.com/mm/a_ada-mp-1-preamp_id2795270.html (http://www.mercatinomusicale.com/mm/a_ada-mp-1-preamp_id2795270.html)

Until yesterday it was on sale for 199 euros....today 209...
Same shop, same MP-1, same everything.  :dunno:
Why they raised the price up? Can we trust shops???

 :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

And this one:

http://www.mercatinomusicale.com/mm/a_ada-mp1_id4432213.html (http://www.mercatinomusicale.com/mm/a_ada-mp1_id4432213.html)

Pictures where you cannot see the power supply cord...probably because it has been shortened?

How can you trust this people???
Title: Re: MP-1s for spare parts and crazy people around
Post by: Iperfungus on January 23, 2017, 12:49:19 AM
Well some people know what they are doing when they do the mods them self but there are also a lot of people that don't and they can mess up their mp-1's pretty good.I've seen it all  ::)

 Amen! I found that out the hard way  >:(  I can only imagine the stories you could share MJMP  :o

+1

And since you cannot know if mods have been done by skilled people or complete idiots, I would prefer stock units.
Unless I do not read MJMP name...  :thumb-up:
Title: Re: MP-1s for spare parts and crazy people around
Post by: Iperfungus on January 23, 2017, 01:08:32 AM
bought my first MP1 v1.38 all stock 2 years ago for $250 CAD. really good condition, a few scratches on top. found another in rougher condition a month later and picked it up for $150. this one had the v2.01 chip and i plan on using it as a spare. the battery on the spared died first heh. always have an extra one. these things are getting rarer and you don't know when you will come across one.

Yep, that would be a good idea to have one more as a spare unit.
But you've to be sure you're not getting a completely crappy item...  :lol:
And this is what is becoming harder and harder, it seems.

I'm monitoring some MP-1s here in Italy... I will see...
As soon as I will find a good one for a reasonable price, I'll get it!  :banana-rock:
Luckily my MP-1 works fine and I've got some spare parts from MJMP already, so I can take my time.
Title: Re: MP-1s for spare parts and crazy people around
Post by: Iperfungus on January 23, 2017, 01:10:19 AM
Well some people know what they are doing when they do the mods them self but there are also a lot of people that don't and they can mess up their mp-1's pretty good.I've seen it all  ::)

You're to only one I would send my MP-1 to in case it would need service or repair I cannot do by myself.
Title: Re: MP-1s for spare parts and crazy people around
Post by: rnolan on January 23, 2017, 05:56:23 AM
(it looks that in these times is very easy to buy damaged or non working units and this is a shame, because the MP-1 is one of the best MIDI tube preamps ever made and its fame doesn't deserve this) Absolutely  :facepalm: , +1  :thumb-up:
Title: Re: MP-1s for spare parts and crazy people around
Post by: DannyjoeCarter on January 25, 2017, 02:13:38 PM
OK guys I have posted this pic in another thread and this goes right along with what we have been talking about in reference to buying MP-1s or ADA gear in general. I have mentioned that my buddy and I as of yesterday have purchase seven MP-1s in the last month.
 This unit was supposedly in excellent condition other than a slight crackle in the front output knob and supposed to be a 2.01. Well it arrived and found it was a 1.38 with a 2.01 eprom as well as the output NOT functioning at all, along with the front input jack barely working and having to prop it up to make it work. Also the left channel has no output. First off we would have never bought a 1.38 because of the jack issues and NOT having a rear jack.
 Also the unit had almost NO output because of two very bad tubes!  >:( 

 So I replaced the tubes with two new JJs and fired it up and is sounds AMAZING! However I'm very unhappy with the seller for the way it was listed and being dishonest. This unit at best will have to be babied and will be very temperamental but we are going to keep it anyway.  :-\
Title: Re: MP-1s for spare parts and crazy people around
Post by: Iperfungus on January 25, 2017, 03:29:39 PM
Good that the last MP-1 sounds amazing after tubes rolling.
Do you like JJs there?  :banana-jazz-smiley-emoticon:

Now both channels/outputs work fine?
Will be this your spare one?
Issues can be fixed...  :thumb-up:

Anyway, seller has been...mmmmmh.....let me think....  :poop: :poop: :poop:

This is what keeps me away from buying another one now: too high prices and dishonest sellers.
If that shop near me would lower the price of that MP-1 I've tried, maybe I could buy it...but I bet they will not.
Title: Re: MP-1s for spare parts and crazy people around
Post by: DannyjoeCarter on January 25, 2017, 07:51:30 PM
Good that the last MP-1 sounds amazing after tubes rolling.
Do you like JJs there?  :banana-jazz-smiley-emoticon:

Now both channels/outputs work fine?
Will be this your spare one?
Issues can be fixed...  :thumb-up:

Anyway, seller has been...mmmmmh.....let me think....  :poop: :poop: :poop:

This is what keeps me away from buying another one now: too high prices and dishonest sellers.
If that shop near me would lower the price of that MP-1 I've tried, maybe I could buy it...but I bet they will not.


Well guys this little celebration of the seventh MP-1 is short lived  :facepalm:
 Even with the new JJs, which I like Iperfungus, the issues with this unit are too much and the whole "Excellent Condition" is really under my skin to the point where were are returning this unit!!!!  >:(  Dead channels, volume drops along with very fizzy gain that cleans up for awhile then when the unit gets hot it sounds better then gets bad again along with no ability to adjust the volume from ANY outside knobs, only the internal Master Volume out digital control.  :poop:

 I'm really sick of this stuff with sellers claiming the great working condition of the ADA MP-1 ones when they really are in poor shape, sorry but I'm venting and I'm pissed! The clown that sold me my "Holy Grail" MP-1 and I asked all of your opinions on how to rate him as a seller, at the end of the day sold me and shipped a Dead On Arrival unit and knowing this full well made his money and didn't think twice about it. It was only because of how incredible it sounded and that because of knowledge this forum shared with me and my electronic skills I was able to make it work.
 Someone like my dear friend Jason, or many others that are not familiar with this forum or do not have the electronic knowledge to repair these units would have been burned! This is a non functioning unit a non functioning unit and this is the seventh one we have bought!!

 Sorry guys this is just incredibly frustrating; and yes I know I have a "Holy Grail" unit that I'm very happy with but I still need a second unit for my backup rig. The other two units my Brother Jason is going to use in his racks so I'm still in need of a second "proper working " unit.

Again sorry for the rant - over and out for now.
Title: Re: MP-1s for spare parts and crazy people around
Post by: rnolan on January 26, 2017, 01:41:57 AM
Hey DjC, I/we feel for you  :facepalm: :wave: .
With regard to unit versions (which I and MJMP posted before). V1.38 refers to the EPROM NOT the hardware build (although it is indicative to a degree as the early units were that version EPROM).
The v1 hardware build is discernible by it having the top inst/line level output switch and the line level rear jack input.  They are still good units (if they've been looked after) and it's an easy change to put in the later (last) v2.01 EPROM.
While the later hardware revision units came with later EPROM revisions (eg EPROM v2.00), the hardware changed a bit ie no top switch and rear jack input inst level (there were other minor differences as well  :dunno: IIRC from what MJMP and others have told us).
So don't necessarily discount/rule out the V1 hardware out of hand.  eg the unit I sold MikeB, it's v1 with top switch.  I bought it new in the day then did a gazillion gigs with it.  Along the way I put in a v2.00 EPROM and a pair of SPAX7 tubes (around 21 years ago).  Mike decided to give it a modernisation as they are getting quite old, so he got a bunch of bits from MJMP: So it got a new (stock) tube board (albeit with upgraded state of the art components), some new caps (noise mod, unfortunately electrolytic caps do die/degrade over time  :facepalm: ), MDRT (this wasn't essential but really opens up the units dynamics), rear jack mod (worth doing as it also replaces the front jack which gets 99% of the ware and tare), battery mod (no brainer, the original batteries are so old now, that they lasted so long is just amazing).  Mike also bough a complete set of jacks for the back panel (as MJMP still has them), he hasn't swapped them in yet. He also put a Mullard short plate re-issue in V1 and I gave him a SPAX7 for V2 that I had spare after my first MP-2 tube swap(s).

I get your frustration though, if only the seller(s) was/are honest about the unit and it should be priced accordingly.  I wouldn't expect to buy a MP-1 with nothing to do to it (unless it's already been done, and then I'd prefer to do any upgrades it needs).
Title: Re: MP-1s for spare parts and crazy people around
Post by: Iperfungus on January 26, 2017, 02:19:24 AM
Hey DjC, I/we feel for you  :facepalm: :wave: .
With regard to unit versions (which I and MJMP posted before). V1.38 refers to the EPROM NOT the hardware build (although it is indicative to a degree as the early units were that version EPROM).
The v1 hardware build is discernible by it having the top inst/line level output switch and the line level rear jack input.  They are still good units (if they've been looked after) and it's an easy change to put in the later (last) v2.01 EPROM.
While the later hardware revision units came with later EPROM revisions (eg EPROM v2.00), the hardware changed a bit ie no top switch and rear jack input inst level (there were other minor differences as well  :dunno: IIRC from what MJMP and others have told us).
So don't necessarily discount/rule out the V1 hardware out of hand.  eg the unit I sold MikeB, it's v1 with top switch.  I bought it new in the day then did a gazillion gigs with it.  Along the way I put in a v2.00 EPROM and a pair of SPAX7 tubes (around 21 years ago).  Mike decided to give it a modernisation as they are getting quite old, so he got a bunch of bits from MJMP: So it got a new (stock) tube board (albeit with upgraded state of the art components), some new caps (noise mod, unfortunately electrolytic caps do die/degrade over time  :facepalm: ), MDRT (this wasn't essential but really opens up the units dynamics), rear jack mod (worth doing as it also replaces the front jack which gets 99% of the ware and tare), battery mod (no brainer, the original batteries are so old now, that they lasted so long is just amazing).  Mike also bough a complete set of jacks for the back panel (as MJMP still has them), he hasn't swapped them in yet. He also put a Mullard short plate re-issue in V1 and I gave him a SPAX7 for V2 that I had spare after my first MP-2 tube swap(s).


That MP-1 should be an awesone unit...  :bow:
Title: Re: MP-1s for spare parts and crazy people around
Post by: MarshallJMP on January 26, 2017, 05:26:29 AM
You can always rebuild a V1 mp-1 to V2 specs.
Title: Re: MP-1s for spare parts and crazy people around
Post by: MikeB on January 26, 2017, 11:59:42 AM
Hey DjC, I/we feel for you  :facepalm: :wave: .
With regard to unit versions (which I and MJMP posted before). V1.38 refers to the EPROM NOT the hardware build (although it is indicative to a degree as the early units were that version EPROM).
The v1 hardware build is discernible by it having the top inst/line level output switch and the line level rear jack input.  They are still good units (if they've been looked after) and it's an easy change to put in the later (last) v2.01 EPROM.
While the later hardware revision units came with later EPROM revisions (eg EPROM v2.00), the hardware changed a bit ie no top switch and rear jack input inst level (there were other minor differences as well  :dunno: IIRC from what MJMP and others have told us).
So don't necessarily discount/rule out the V1 hardware out of hand.  eg the unit I sold MikeB, it's v1 with top switch.  I bought it new in the day then did a gazillion gigs with it.  Along the way I put in a v2.00 EPROM and a pair of SPAX7 tubes (around 21 years ago).  Mike decided to give it a modernisation as they are getting quite old, so he got a bunch of bits from MJMP: So it got a new (stock) tube board (albeit with upgraded state of the art components), some new caps (noise mod, unfortunately electrolytic caps do die/degrade over time  :facepalm: ), MDRT (this wasn't essential but really opens up the units dynamics), rear jack mod (worth doing as it also replaces the front jack which gets 99% of the ware and tare), battery mod (no brainer, the original batteries are so old now, that they lasted so long is just amazing).  Mike also bough a complete set of jacks for the back panel (as MJMP still has them), he hasn't swapped them in yet. He also put a Mullard short plate re-issue in V1 and I gave him a SPAX7 for V2 that I had spare after my first MP-2 tube swap(s).


That MP-1 should be an awesone unit...  :bow:

Yeah. It is.   :banana-rock:
Title: Re: MP-1s for spare parts and crazy people around
Post by: Iperfungus on January 26, 2017, 12:34:49 PM
Hey DjC, I/we feel for you  :facepalm: :wave: .
With regard to unit versions (which I and MJMP posted before). V1.38 refers to the EPROM NOT the hardware build (although it is indicative to a degree as the early units were that version EPROM).
The v1 hardware build is discernible by it having the top inst/line level output switch and the line level rear jack input.  They are still good units (if they've been looked after) and it's an easy change to put in the later (last) v2.01 EPROM.
While the later hardware revision units came with later EPROM revisions (eg EPROM v2.00), the hardware changed a bit ie no top switch and rear jack input inst level (there were other minor differences as well  :dunno: IIRC from what MJMP and others have told us).
So don't necessarily discount/rule out the V1 hardware out of hand.  eg the unit I sold MikeB, it's v1 with top switch.  I bought it new in the day then did a gazillion gigs with it.  Along the way I put in a v2.00 EPROM and a pair of SPAX7 tubes (around 21 years ago).  Mike decided to give it a modernisation as they are getting quite old, so he got a bunch of bits from MJMP: So it got a new (stock) tube board (albeit with upgraded state of the art components), some new caps (noise mod, unfortunately electrolytic caps do die/degrade over time  :facepalm: ), MDRT (this wasn't essential but really opens up the units dynamics), rear jack mod (worth doing as it also replaces the front jack which gets 99% of the ware and tare), battery mod (no brainer, the original batteries are so old now, that they lasted so long is just amazing).  Mike also bough a complete set of jacks for the back panel (as MJMP still has them), he hasn't swapped them in yet. He also put a Mullard short plate re-issue in V1 and I gave him a SPAX7 for V2 that I had spare after my first MP-2 tube swap(s).


That MP-1 should be an awesone unit...  :bow:

Yeah. It is.   :banana-rock:

 :banana: :banana: :banana:
Title: Re: MP-1s for spare parts and crazy people around
Post by: DannyjoeCarter on January 26, 2017, 01:35:52 PM
Hey DjC, I/we feel for you  :facepalm: :wave: .
With regard to unit versions (which I and MJMP posted before). V1.38 refers to the EPROM NOT the hardware build (although it is indicative to a degree as the early units were that version EPROM).
The v1 hardware build is discernible by it having the top inst/line level output switch and the line level rear jack input.  They are still good units (if they've been looked after) and it's an easy change to put in the later (last) v2.01 EPROM.
While the later hardware revision units came with later EPROM revisions (eg EPROM v2.00), the hardware changed a bit ie no top switch and rear jack input inst level (there were other minor differences as well  :dunno: IIRC from what MJMP and others have told us).
So don't necessarily discount/rule out the V1 hardware out of hand.  eg the unit I sold MikeB, it's v1 with top switch.  I bought it new in the day then did a gazillion gigs with it.  Along the way I put in a v2.00 EPROM and a pair of SPAX7 tubes (around 21 years ago).  Mike decided to give it a modernisation as they are getting quite old, so he got a bunch of bits from MJMP: So it got a new (stock) tube board (albeit with upgraded state of the art components), some new caps (noise mod, unfortunately electrolytic caps do die/degrade over time  :facepalm: ), MDRT (this wasn't essential but really opens up the units dynamics), rear jack mod (worth doing as it also replaces the front jack which gets 99% of the ware and tare), battery mod (no brainer, the original batteries are so old now, that they lasted so long is just amazing).  Mike also bough a complete set of jacks for the back panel (as MJMP still has them), he hasn't swapped them in yet. He also put a Mullard short plate re-issue in V1 and I gave him a SPAX7 for V2 that I had spare after my first MP-2 tube swap(s).

I get your frustration though, if only the seller(s) was/are honest about the unit and it should be priced accordingly.  I wouldn't expect to buy a MP-1 with nothing to do to it (unless it's already been done, and then I'd prefer to do any upgrades it needs).

 Yeah for me I would "prefer" the later models over the 1.38s because I really need to have the ability to use the rear jack in my racks. But my biggest issue is the units we have bought that are non functioning or poorly operating and the seller NOT stating that! Claiming "Excellent Condition" and "Great Working Order" when they have issues is what I'm the most furious about.

 I really would care at this point if the unit was a v1 hardward as long as the unit worked properly or was sold as simply as "May need work" or left channel dead, or volume pots do not function, basically any honest description of the actual condition of the unit.
Title: Re: MP-1s for spare parts and crazy people around
Post by: Iperfungus on January 26, 2017, 02:46:08 PM
But my biggest issue is the units we have bought that are non functioning or poorly operating and the seller NOT stating that! Claiming "Excellent Condition" and "Great Working Order" when they have issues is what I'm the most furious about.

 I really would care at this point if the unit was a v1 hardward as long as the unit worked properly or was sold as simply as "May need work" or left channel dead, or volume pots do not function, basically any honest description of the actual condition of the unit.

That's the point and the main reason of this thread.

I've to be honest: in these days, buying rack stuff again, I found only very good guys...none of them attempted to fool me and/or to sell their items at unfair prices.

Today I received the Behringer FCB1010: the guy I bought it from sent me a complete set of pictures and a 5 minutes video to let me see the REAL conditions of the item and that it's working fine.
It has scratches all around, having been used a lot...but it works...and it has che UNO chip 1.03 for the GMaj already installed and its original EPROM, original manuals (also for the UNO) and power cord.
He has been always honest about this points.
Paid 65 euros shipping included for it.

We exchanged some emails and a couple of phone calls: a good guy.
And I've to say the same about all the other ones I bought items from (the B200s is on its way like the 8008).

Does this mean that there are idiots no more around?
Of course no.
We've to be smart and pay attention to every detail when we buy used items online, unless we don't buy from people we know or from other Depot guys!  :green-banana-smiley-emoticon:
Title: Re: MP-1s for spare parts and crazy people around
Post by: DannyjoeCarter on January 27, 2017, 12:15:03 AM
Yeah I'm feeling a lot better today after correspondence with MJMP about repair for some of these units for sure. I'm lucky I have a benefactor and he and I have purchased seven MP-1s in a month so we are seeing things in a different perspective because we have just had really bad luck with these MP-1 units.

  I'm not just being greedy and being overly picking trying to buy up all these units - but I have one I call my Holy Grail and it is flawless and sounds incredible! I need a second rack for what I want to do and these other units I would not trust on the road or out of my house due to issues that need to be addressed. Several sound really good but all have had something weird about them other than my main one. But I'm feeling very grateful to have this forum which has knowledgeable people to help with them such as MJMP to hopefully make them more stable.

 I will admit I would have never imagined this journey with all the MP-1s but I really do see it now that these things are obsolete. I'm a little envious of so many of you having your original units and not abandoning them like I did my original units back in the mid to late 90s.  :-[
 
Title: Re: MP-1s for spare parts and crazy people around
Post by: Iperfungus on January 27, 2017, 01:58:15 AM

 I'm a little envious of so many of you having your original units and not abandoning them like I did my original units back in the mid to late 90s.  :-[

Well...I sold my previous 1.38 many years ago, as I wrote somewhere.
I let a lot of time pass before I bought another MP-1 and I've been lucky with it and with the seller who is a honest guy.

What I would love to do in the future, if I will find one at a reasonable price, is to buy a MP-1 with issues and send it to MJMP for service, repair and some mods, keeping my 2.01 fully original as it is...but we'll see.  :banana-guitar:
Title: Re: MP-1s for spare parts and crazy people around
Post by: DannyjoeCarter on January 27, 2017, 12:41:13 PM

 I'm a little envious of so many of you having your original units and not abandoning them like I did my original units back in the mid to late 90s.  :-[

Well...I sold my previous 1.38 many years ago, as I wrote somewhere.
I let a lot of time pass before I bought another MP-1 and I've been lucky with it and with the seller who is a honest guy.

What I would love to do in the future, if I will find one at a reasonable price, is to buy a MP-1 with issues and send it to MJMP for service, repair and some mods, keeping my 2.01 fully original as it is...but we'll see.  :banana-guitar:

 Man that's a great idea! And sorry to hear you sold your original MP-1, but yeah I did the same thing  :facepalm:
 And I could have never imagined it being so hard to find these units in proper working order  :o I just figured, "Hey I'm gonna just jump back into my old rack glory days with a couple MP-1s" - BOY Has this been a journey!!!!  :o
Title: Re: MP-1s for spare parts and crazy people around
Post by: Iperfungus on January 28, 2017, 02:09:21 PM
I've seen those shops here sold their MP-1s...and I bet someone will start finding issues real soon...
Title: Re: MP-1s for spare parts and crazy people around
Post by: DannyjoeCarter on January 28, 2017, 02:44:25 PM
I've seen those shops here sold their MP-1s...and I bet someone will start finding issues real soon...

 Yeah I would to hear other stories of people here and recently purchased ADA issues!   :(
But we are lucky we have MJMP!!!   
    :banana:
Title: Re: MP-1s for spare parts and crazy people around
Post by: Iperfungus on January 28, 2017, 02:54:18 PM
I've seen those shops here sold their MP-1s...and I bet someone will start finding issues real soon...

 Yeah I would to hear other stories of people here and recently purchased ADA issues!   :(
But we are lucky we have MJMP!!!   
    :banana:

Well....I'm not sure those guys will subscribe to the Depot as we did, but you never know...
If they do, they'll find the right help here.  :thumb-up:
Title: Re: MP-1s for spare parts and crazy people around
Post by: DannyjoeCarter on January 29, 2017, 02:36:46 PM
I've seen those shops here sold their MP-1s...and I bet someone will start finding issues real soon...

 Yeah I would to hear other stories of people here and recently purchased ADA issues!   :(
But we are lucky we have MJMP!!!   
    :banana:

 Amen Brother!!  :thumb-up:

Well....I'm not sure those guys will subscribe to the Depot as we did, but you never know...
If they do, they'll find the right help here.  :thumb-up:
Title: Re: MP-1s for spare parts and crazy people around
Post by: rnolan on January 30, 2017, 03:18:37 AM
We have many guests who don't join, hopefully they have found some answers if they have issues  :thumb-up: :wave: . Sometimes the fix is easy (and normal maintenance eg new battery or tubes).  It's good that the posts are here so others can benefit.
Title: Re: MP-1s for spare parts and crazy people around
Post by: Iperfungus on January 30, 2017, 03:41:00 AM
We have many guests who don't join, hopefully they have found some answers if they have issues  :thumb-up: :wave: . Sometimes the fix is easy (and normal maintenance eg new battery or tubes).  It's good that the posts are here so others can benefit.

SHIT YES!!!
This is how worked for us...and what made us decide to subscribe as well!  :wave: :wave: :wave:

The Depot must go on.