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Title: Radial Tonebone Hot British
Post by: Soloist on May 21, 2018, 08:06:07 AM
Hey RG, if you want a modded marshall tone in a pedal check out the Radial Engineering "Hot British ". I love the way mine sounds running it as a pre amp right into my power amp. Used the aren't too expensive. Make sure to get an older one, the newer ones are more red colored than orange. To me the older ones sound better.
Title: Re: Radial Tonebone Hot British
Post by: rabidgerry on May 21, 2018, 08:09:14 AM
Hey RG, if you want a modded marshall tone in a pedal check out the Radial Engineering "Hot British ". I love the way mine sounds running it as a pre amp right into my power amp. Used the aren't too expensive. Make sure to get an older one, the newer ones are more red colored than orange. To me the older ones sound better.

Man I pm'd you.  Please check as soon as you can, I've taken your advice about the marshall in a box!!!
Title: Re: Radial Tonebone Hot British
Post by: Systematic Chaos on May 21, 2018, 07:24:48 PM
Congrats on the GSP1101....
You're already set on the Radial? I could get you a Koch Pedaltone for 130€ from the JPN local classifieds here...add another 20€ for shipping.
Title: Re: Radial Tonebone Hot British
Post by: rabidgerry on May 22, 2018, 01:41:04 AM
The pedaltone looks a little large for what I'm after.  Also I have sights on a Tonebone for £60-£70 so I can bag one cheaper.  They sound pretty good also.  Despite my possible Koch endorsement hanging in limbo I have heard some negative stuff about the pedaltone.  Also I think if I was to get one of those I would need the newer version which has the loop positioned in a better place.

I jumped on HotBritish suggestion largely as there is one available for a price I can handle right now.  Basically this can fit in a bag, same bag as my GT5 and then this can go on as hand luggage so it's all about size.  Sticking the Tonebone or whichever pedal I end up with in the loop of the GT5 will only be two little short cables so tone degradation should be at a minimum.  I'd probably have a pedal noise gate right after the pre pedal.
Title: Re: Radial Tonebone Hot British
Post by: Systematic Chaos on May 22, 2018, 03:52:25 AM
Gotcha!
In terms of size and price, you might wanna check the Mooer Micro Preamps...they fit in a pocket, are 90€ new (Thomann) and sound more than decent on their own, probably even better chained in a GT-5/6/8/...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pABpfXLIXlI
Title: Re: Radial Tonebone Hot British
Post by: rabidgerry on May 22, 2018, 04:25:52 AM
I have been looking at these also.  I have no clue what would be the best model for me.  Their JCM900 copy?

I am not familiar with half the amp models they list and I need to get this right to approximate what I already have as my sound.
Title: Re: Radial Tonebone Hot British
Post by: Systematic Chaos on May 22, 2018, 04:47:47 AM
From what I know of "your sound" and your prefs I would suggest the 005 (5153), 012 (Friedman BE) or 002 (JCM900) in that order.
 
Title: Re: Radial Tonebone Hot British
Post by: rabidgerry on May 28, 2018, 12:48:59 PM
Well I got the tonebone,  It was cheaper than the Mooer SC.  Hopefully I can make it work.  If not I can sell it on and make my money back easy.

 
Title: Re: Radial Tonebone Hot British
Post by: Soloist on May 28, 2018, 09:01:28 PM
Let me know once you get it up and running!
Don't forget to check the tube, it may be time for a new one. :headbanger:
Title: Re: Radial Tonebone Hot British
Post by: rabidgerry on May 29, 2018, 02:41:16 AM
Sure thing man, does the tube have match influence?
Title: Re: Radial Tonebone Hot British
Post by: Soloist on May 29, 2018, 09:40:58 AM
Not really, just use a quality tube and your good to go.
Title: Re: Radial Tonebone Hot British
Post by: rabidgerry on June 06, 2018, 12:48:47 PM
So been trying this pedal out, it totally captures the marshal sound, it's actually amazing sounding.  But as soon as I go past 2 o clock on the drive, mush!  Dynamics die and mush horrible overly compressed feel happens and that almost ducking sensation you get with too much compression.

This is a real shame as it had the sound and the tone I wanted/needed, but just not the amount of usable distortion.

I thought perhaps if I dial back into the safe territory with the drive and then use a boost this might do the job.  Not it didn't really.  Not as much mush, but it's in the back ground and it just doesn't feel right.

I really cannot emphasise enough though, this is actually a really good marshall in a pedal device, but the last few rungs on the distortion ladder are not usable in my opinion.  Put it this way, when I boost my MP1 I don't get this mush sound even full on with my OD pedal level!  The right amount is about half way but the point is I can push harder, where as with the Hotbritish, I can't push.  I even used an EQ.  No deal.

Soloist not sure how you get your boost to work, do tell?
Title: Re: Radial Tonebone Hot British
Post by: Soloist on June 06, 2018, 03:39:41 PM
Wow Gerry, I am suprised to hear of your issues with the Hot British.  Mine is set at level 50%, high 80%, low 100% contour 40% distortion 90%.top end=bright, voicing=notch, mid boost= out. I find if the level is up too much it starts to mud up a little. Mine goes into my rack mixer and I increase the level there. I eq before an after. Eq before is a mid boost and eq after pulls out the yuck. Post eq pulls -6db at 31hz,-4 db at 500hz and 1khz, -5db at 16khz. 125hz,2khz,4khz all boosted +5 db, 250hz and 8khz boosted +3 db and 62hz is flat.
Pre distortion eq is a frowny face.
Are you running the pedal directly into your power amp like the pedal is its own preamp? That's how mine is routed. Did you eq before or after?  Or in fx loop?
Play around with the 3 switches on it. They change alot of tone and dynamics. Like the fat setting adds mud.
It does not like to be boosted with an Od, doesn't like the tube screamer either. It also works great as a boost. I have used it boosting my Mp1 and my Jmp1, but I think it sounds more marshally than my jmp1. I do think it has too much distortion on tap, I just don't use all of it.
Title: Re: Radial Tonebone Hot British
Post by: rabidgerry on June 07, 2018, 07:47:38 AM
Well as with all my gear I try it direct in first.

My home setup consists of rack gear and then a speaker sim last in the chain (in my case an Impulse drivin stereo sim called the Logitech Epsi).

So I had my guitar straight into the Tonebone, then into an EQ (which was bypassed) then into a Hush IICX then into a Boss SX700.

My settings were, level up the full way, High about 80%, Low 20%, Contour 50%, Voicing set to Fat, Top End set to Flat, Mid Boost set to Out.  And like this I could not set drive past 2 o clock which is about 65%.

I'll try the level down and see what happens.
Title: Re: Radial Tonebone Hot British
Post by: rabidgerry on June 11, 2018, 11:00:17 AM
Well I think I will sell the tonebone and try this out

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Heartbreaker-Twin-Tube-valve-Overdrive-deluxe-pedal-sold-without-tubes/302749573757?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160727114228%26meid%3D17a547e1d5b34c84a4714b9855c07ffa%26pid%3D100290%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D302749573757%26itm%3D302749573757&_trksid=p2060778.c100290.m3507

Title: Re: Radial Tonebone Hot British
Post by: rnolan on June 12, 2018, 01:05:10 AM
Hey RG, looks interesting :thumb-up:
Title: Re: Radial Tonebone Hot British
Post by: Soloist on June 12, 2018, 10:47:23 AM
Ahh that sucks the HB won't work for you Gerry! I just started using mine to boost my mp1. Holy smokes! It thickens the Mp1, the closest I can compare it to would be a modded plexi.However it took alot of tweaking to get that tone out of it. I hope you find something that works for you. Sorry the Hot British didn't do it for you.
Title: Re: Radial Tonebone Hot British
Post by: rabidgerry on June 12, 2018, 11:28:46 AM
Well my other idea is blown out of the water now also!  The guy didn't want me to buy his dual tube pedal because of how I was planning to use it (in the loop of my Boss GT5 as part of my light flying rig).

So f*ck that.

My other alternate was this
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/akai-shred-o-matic-d1-valve-distortion-pedal-vgc-boxed/253675721272?hash=item3b10405238:g:t2EAAOSwBjdaIBED (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/akai-shred-o-matic-d1-valve-distortion-pedal-vgc-boxed/253675721272?hash=item3b10405238:g:t2EAAOSwBjdaIBED)

But I've read too many bad things about it now along with good that I'm wary about it.

Soloist, never worry man, the Hot British is really good, I think it's amazing actually.  But I just cannot get that level of distortion I need.  It can't take a boost either so that totally rules it out.  Had it been able to take a boost I'd be in business.  I was hoping I could get something like I get with my MP1 with OD in front, but alas it was not to be  >:(  I do however say this pedal is like a marshall in a pedal, or pretty close for what it actually is.  But once you go past 2 o clock on the drive to get the maximum gain the unit is capable off, the dynamics get squashed big time and you have that awful "pumping" sensation I experienced with the Hafler T2 preamp.

I'm sad it didn't work out and sadder I have no real clear affordable solution in mind.
Title: Re: Radial Tonebone Hot British
Post by: Soloist on June 12, 2018, 11:45:02 AM
Check into some Wampler pedals. Triple wreck, plexitorsion. I had the plexi a few years back and it was very marshally. The triple wreck is suppose to be a triple rectifier in a pedal.
Title: Re: Radial Tonebone Hot British
Post by: Systematic Chaos on June 12, 2018, 02:50:03 PM
...

I'm sad it didn't work out and sadder I have no real clear affordable solution in mind.

Mooer Micro 005 (https://pricespy.co.uk/audio-video/musical-instruments/effect-units-effect-pedals/mooer-micro-005-fifty-fifty-3--p4235854?q=Mooer%20005 (https://pricespy.co.uk/audio-video/musical-instruments/effect-units-effect-pedals/mooer-micro-005-fifty-fifty-3--p4235854?q=Mooer%20005))
Title: Re: Radial Tonebone Hot British
Post by: rabidgerry on June 17, 2018, 08:21:42 AM
SC I guess I'm paranoid about going back to a digital preamp lol  I nearly bit the bullet on the Mooer a few times!

But I got a deal on this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq-M6vjla6Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq-M6vjla6Y)

Dante if yer reading "But I have a blackstar"..............jesus  :facepalm:  I still think their amps are shit  :lol:  But this pedal sounded like I might be able to use it as my main pre for my flight rig!

Ming you it is so hard to find a video that is of any use to me in regards to what the pedal would sound like if I owned it as all these metal guys play in stupid dropped tunings and its impossible to tell what the pedal actually sounds like.  The video above and his other video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYt2FzpKeB0&t=475s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYt2FzpKeB0&t=475s) were probably the best I could find in saying that I think he's in dropped D in one of them.

So lets see what this pedal can offer me once it arrives.  I considered also Ibanez tk999ht and variants such as the Maxon 880 (based on the older TK999US).
Title: Re: Radial Tonebone Hot British
Post by: Kim on June 17, 2018, 09:13:40 AM
But I got a deal on this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq-M6vjla6Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq-M6vjla6Y)

Dante if yer reading "But I have a blackstar"..............jesus  :facepalm:  I still think their amps are shit  :lol:  But this pedal sounded like I might be able to use it as my main pre for my flight rig!

So lets see what this pedal can offer me once it arrives. 

From what I can tell from the vid, that pedal might just be what you need.    :thumb-up:  Of course a demo vid doesn't really = IRL though.  Not a fan of Blackstar either, but I am a fan of using what works.  Maybe put a piece of tape over the logo if it bothers you?  lol  I believe this could really work for you after some tweaking of the controls (then Sharpie them to mark the settings so they can be put back immediately after getting moved around during transport).
Title: Re: Radial Tonebone Hot British
Post by: rabidgerry on June 18, 2018, 10:18:33 AM
Well I'm hoping the thing has the amount of distortion I need, and stay's and feels good when it's pushed to extremes.  I don't foresee me using all the gain on this pedal (if the amounts it is supposed to have are to be believed), so in that case if the pedal can keep the integrity together then we will be winning!  I forsee bumping mids up as usual, keeping low end just enough to have weight and having enough high to allow clear detail and definition without things getting harsh.  I'll sound nothing like the guy in the vids but with the controls and capabilities it has should hopefully be able to dial in my sound.

Och I aint a fan of Blackstar, but I'm not petty enough to hide the name.  In fact the seem so popular it will probably get me some kudos with some a-hole who loves the brand  :lol:  At the end of the day if it works for me it will be the most important thing.  This would reduce my flight rig considerably, I would only have a floor FX unit with this pedal in the loop as my pre and then a power amp to travel with plus my axe!  All about the rig development these days!
Title: Re: Radial Tonebone Hot British
Post by: rnolan on June 19, 2018, 06:07:53 AM
I borrowed a little 15 w Blackstar a while ago for a jam, it was a nice little amp.  pair of EL84s output tubes, tube preamp stage, nice built in digital reverb.  Sounded good for blues/rock which is what we were doing.  Not loud enough for a real kit though but IIRC it had some cab sim outs.  I thought it was too expensive (and it was 2nd hand) or I might have bought it (it was so portable) and had a nice tone.However, no idea about their bigger whatever models (which I assume you guys are talking about ?)
Title: Re: Radial Tonebone Hot British
Post by: rabidgerry on June 19, 2018, 09:40:44 AM
No this is regarding something other than the Radial Tonebone which I bought and tried and didn't work out, so ultimately we are talking about pedal sized preamps for my flight rig and the latest being the Blackstar DistX.  So this should hopefully do the trick as it's a high voltage (300v) tube pedal.

https://www.blackstaramps.com/uk/ranges/ht-pedals (https://www.blackstaramps.com/uk/ranges/ht-pedals)
Title: Re: Radial Tonebone Hot British
Post by: rnolan on June 20, 2018, 04:40:05 AM
Hey RG, looks pretty cool. I wonder how it compares to the ADA MP1ch, a similar unit in many ways.  Trouble is, you really have to hear/try them and they're not cheap.
Title: Re: Radial Tonebone Hot British
Post by: rabidgerry on June 20, 2018, 09:06:22 AM
Oh without doubt they are more expensive.  The blaskstar new is over double the amount I paid for it.  The price of ADA MP1 channel is way more,  it's like 4 times.  That unit would have been an option but not common enough in the UK for the price to be cheap enough for me to afford it.  Lets see how I get on with the Blaskstar.  I nearly bought the dual which is a clean/crunch + distortion channel version but I wanted to make sure I had enough distortion on tap so went for the Distx model.  Although I hear these blackstars take boosts in front well go extra distortion can be found.  Hopefully I will only use about half of that the Distx provides.
Title: Re: Radial Tonebone Hot British
Post by: rabidgerry on June 21, 2018, 03:34:19 PM
Well the blackstar is great.  Very very dark sounding in my direct recording setup but I can EQ that.  Very creamey and songey feeling.  It reminds me a lot of how my rocktron velocity amp suddenly made my live rig sound and feel when I first got it.  Spongey and everything was easy to play.  I find the distortion nowhere near as aggressive as all the videos I have watched online using the pedal which is strange.  It must be how I eq things as it sounds or my setup or something because it just sounds super smooth to me and non abrasive.  I like that about 2 oclock on the drive was the spot for me, sometimes I'd drop it back, sometimes I'd dial a bit more in, but never at the full amount.  Full amount still kinda usuable but thankfully I'm smart enough to know I don't need extra noise  :thumb-up:  Good pedal, hopefully I can sort the darkness out when I integrate into my live flight rig!  I wonder what it will sound like with an OD in front?   :???: