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bigjd:
So glad to be back here after a couple of years away!

Anybody else using their MP-1 in the loop of the GSP?
My issue seems to be that when using the GSP out it doesn't seem to hit the MP-1 with as good of signal as straight in with my guitar. So it seems as though the output isn't hot enough to drive the MP-1 as well as I'd like.
I like the MP-1 after the GSP. In this configuration I'm able to have effects and dirt in front of the MP-1 as well as effects behind it with my G-Major.
 Have I missed something in setting levels out of my GSP so I can get a better signal to my MP-1?

Thanx, any input is good input!

rnolan:
Hey bigjd, there are others here who run their MP1 similarly, not my preferred patching idea/gain structure (though I get why you'd want to, and why people do). Is the GSP loop stereo ? if not even more reason to not do it apart from the input drive aspect. Are you using GSP out to MP1 or loop out to MP1 ?
IMHO, and I've done some testing (posted elsewhere here with MikeBs GMaj), breaking your analogue signal path by going through digital gadgets (unless the have true analogue pass through of the dry signal (some older units do)) sucks tone/dynamics/energy.
Here's the options I spose:
Guit > GSP > MP1 > GMaj > Amp(s) > cabs (looks good on paper but wont sound as good as keeping all analogue path from guit to cabs), So don't no what the GSP does to the signal but I know the GMaj inputs turn it into digital and it sounds lots better if you mix GMaj into the signal path, not go through it (you loose GMaj CC options like master vol, noise gate) but sounds heaps better using a parallel loop (use small mixer with at least 2 FX sends, ART Split mix etc).
Personally, the "only" thing I'd consider before the MP1 is a wah pedal. The MP1 wants to get a guitar signal at guitar impedance/vol, anything else I mix in using a small desk, mine has 3 FX sends so I feed my quadverb L/R and my IPS33, they both return down 2 channels each (pan L/R) and I mix in the amount of FX I want into the analogue signal, desk L/R to stereo poweramp > 2 x cabs.
So my advice (for what it's worth) is to start with Guit > MP1 > st amp > cabs and get that sounding how you want (I suspect will blow you away with how good it sounds without the digital conversion(s)), then work out how to mix in GSP and TC, small desk with 3 sends is one way (best). but you could use the ART Splitmix solution (developed by MikeB and myself...), variation to have GSP sounds also go through TC (easier with desk option BTW) is put TC in GSP loop (or GSP in GMaj loop ? does it have one ??) and mix result into signal path.
Hope this helps, cheers R

Systematic Chaos:
The problem with mixing the GSP1101 after the MP-1 is, that you cannot use its "pre" amp effects in the desired way. Once again up to totally subjective personal preference.
I always like at least the Wah, (optional) Comp and (optional) OD/Dist before the Preamp. Also Flanger and Phaser on clean presets sound better before the Preamp (personal preference)
An nice TS dialed in "moderately" (OD 10 o'clock, Tone 10 o'clock, Lvl 2 o'clock) gives a real nice texture to high gain leads.
Also, to use the intelligent Pitch Shifter/Harmonizer within the GSP1101, the Input needs the raw/direct guitar signal cause this is where the base pitch detection sits and tracks for the Pitch Shifter/Harmonizer.
Having owned the GSP1101 myself and also in a 4-cable-method with the MP-1,

for live use (once the drummers enters the room/stage, there´s no way in hell to tell a difference between straight/AD/DA/.....) I´d recommend:
Guitar->GSP1101 IN->GSP1101 Send->MP-1 In->MP-1 Loop Send->GSP1101 Loop Return->GSP1101 Main Out->MP-1 Loop Return
If all what you have then (total flexibility within your FX-Chains including the MP-1 as desired Preamp) isn´t enough, add:
MP-1 Main Out -> GMajor In -> GMajor Out -> Poweramp

Use the Setup Wizard in the GSP1101 Setup Menu. Also Follow the GSP1101 Manual, Setup Diagram on page 11 #6

To access the Setup Wizard in the GSP1101:

1. Press and hold the Tuner button until the Setup Wizard screen appears in the display
2. The first screen prompts you to select from the seven most common setups we have
just reviewed. Use the Edit/Select knob to navigate through these setups and select
the one which matches how you’ll connect the GSP1101.
3. The next series of screens guide you through the different options available for your
selected type of setup. Respond to each question and make your selections using the
Edit/Select.knob.
4. Once all options have been configured, the message Review Your Selections appears.
Scroll through these options to ensure they have been answered correctly. Once confirmed, press the Edit/Select knob to complete the configuration process. You’ll exit the Wizard and return to the Preset screen.
The GSP1101 is now optimized for use with your setup.

rnolan:
Totally agree with SC (a good way to patch it) but you'll loose some of the lovely analogue signal and it wont sound as good (as it can).

bigjd:
Thanx for the replies.

The issue I have is that with the preamp out of the GSP it doesn't seem to hit the front of the MP-1 hard enough to get the potential out of a good hot signal going into the MP-1.
When I plug directly into the MP-1 I can see the input indicator lighting up as it should and I get a nice rich, full sound out of it. Even through the A/D/A convertors of the GSP directly to a mixer.
If I use it through the preamp loop of the GSP Guitar>GSP>GSP loop out> MP-1>G-Major>GSP loop in> GSP to mixer , The the signal indicator doesn't light up and the MP-1 isn't rocking as hard as it could.
I'm thinking I can use the comp. in the GSP before the loop and use make up gain to get a better signal out to the MP-1 since there doesn't seem to be a loop output to tweak.

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