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2018 pretty cool so far.
herbyguitar:
--- Quote from: Kim on January 07, 2018, 07:18:17 AM ---Musician: Someone who loads $5,000 worth of gear into a $500 car to drive 150 miles for $50.
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That's me :banana-guitar:
Sounds like you're back in the groove. Glad to hear it.
When I first started I wanted to be a drummer so my parents bought me a cheapo snare drum and a symbol. Not very satisfying. It was decided, without my input, that drums were 'way' too loud. Then I wanted to play bass but my dad didn't like the idea of having only 4 strings and not being able to play 'real' songs. So I got stuck playing guitar, but at 12 years old I couldn't be too picky, since I couldn't afford to buy my own gear and if I 'could' buy a drum set I'd have to move out and if I bought a bass I'd have never heard the end of it.
On another note: My dad finally came around to actually liking a lot of the stuff I played and would pop a cassette in now and then while driving... back in the 80's
Dante:
Kim,
Congrats on the new digs!! That is FANTASTIC.
I have been blessed with great drummers. I don't know why, but I've had a bunch of great drummers who play their kit like it's an instrument. So glad you found a guy with the 'feel' to get it done, regardless of what kit he's playing. I had a guy like that, made a 4-piece kit sound like Neil Peart.
Keyboard players are very rare, good ones are even more rare. They are all really busy too - being in multiple bands. My current band decided to just use two guitars instead of a keyboard player. Guitar players are a dime a dozen....my favorite saying is; shake a tree, three guitar players fall out....and two of them are GOOD.
rabidgerry:
--- Quote from: Kim on January 07, 2018, 07:18:17 AM ---No.1 It gets worse if you're doing original music.
No.2 Then a bit worse after that if you're doing original music that isn't the trend.
No.3 Now a touch worse if it's original Metal music that doesn't sound like Slayer, Slipknot, Trivium, Avenged Sevenfold or some brutal Death Metal.
The good players want to do covers only, and the trendy covers at that because apparently "there's money in it". No soul or real satisfaction but they might get some pocket money.
Musician: Someone who loads $5,000 worth of gear into a $500 car to drive 150 miles for $50.
^ The struggle is real. :facepalm: You just don't realize how much money is invested with the thought going in that "I'm not in it for the money".
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I numbered some of those points as they are exactly my reality also. Weird in the U.S you have the same issues in your huge country as I do in my tiny country!
I wouldn't say all good players are doing covers in Ireland, but I will say that the money is in doing covers and for me I could never do a cover band, never. I never covered peoples songs when I started out and I don't do it now. A guy in my work is always going on about me doing covers and I'm like "man I aint doin covers, it's not the same as creating your own music, not even close".
The bit about realizing the amount of money you put into the band, well yes I have started to realise and I have also been struggling with continuing as I need a better job and sometimes I'm thinking perhaps I need to quit all this band shit and put my efforts into getting a better job and sorting my life out for the future. Kind of a heart breaking situation as our touring committments are getting drawn up for the new year and I'm thinking "I need a better job or I will end up f*cked when I have to retire".
Thankfully I do not meet the definition of
Musician: Someone who loads $5,000 worth of gear into a $500 car to drive 150 miles for $50.
A lot of the time house gear/band gear is shared in Europe. So a band travels from say America to Ireland, well the local support will bring bass cabs and guitar cabs and drums. Each band on the bill supplying one or all of those things. The down side is, you never know what kind of stuff you are getting. I turned up to England having been told gear will be provided only to find nothing had been sorted and I had to ask bands on the bill to let me use their cabs!! This was the promotters fault since they did a piss poor job of arranging things.
Kim:
--- Quote from: rabidgerry on January 08, 2018, 01:03:01 AM ---I numbered some of those points as they are exactly my reality also. Weird in the U.S you have the same issues in your huge country as I do in my tiny country!
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Great idea on the numbering, Gerry! I'll go back and edit like that as well. While the States are a much bigger country than say Ireland, there's still the trend of people wanting Mainstream Metal. The Metal you play and the Metal I play seemed to have gone back underground. Maybe it's a Generation thing. The 20-somethings think of 5FDP and the like whenever someone says "Metal".
It's what's played on the radio and it's what draws the fans of that age. Nobody "gets" your band unless they're already familiar with and like bands such as Judas Priest and other NWOBHM. Nobody "gets" my band unless they are already familiar with and like bands such as Black Sabbath and Candlemass. You and I don't sound like 5FDP and we don't want to because you and I play by our own rules and have to work harder to get a following....from the Underground back up.
--- Quote from: rabidgerry on January 08, 2018, 01:03:01 AM ---I wouldn't say all good players are doing covers in Ireland, but I will say that the money is in doing covers and for me I could never do a cover band, never. I never covered peoples songs when I started out and I don't do it now. A guy in my work is always going on about me doing covers and I'm like "man I aint doin covers, it's not the same as creating your own music, not even close".
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Our last drummer also kept trying to push covers. (Guess where he is now....) lol
I could do one or two, but am very picky about which ones to do and I'd rather not anyway. In fact, I could come up with a pretty long list of covers that I absolutely refuse to play, mainly because everyone else already does those and I'm just not interested anyway. That other guy wanted us to do a Tool cover and some other shit ideas that had absolutely nothing to do with our style. He also wanted to tell offensive and poor taste jokes in between songs to further f*ck up our reputation to make things "fun". "People will love it!" he would say. Um, no they won't jackass and we'll never get to play in that town again after that. WTF dude.
Never give a drummer a vocal mic..... ;)
rabidgerry:
--- Quote from: Kim on January 08, 2018, 04:20:32 PM ---While the States are a much bigger country than say Ireland, there's still the trend of people wanting Mainstream Metal. The Metal you play and the Metal I play seemed to have gone back underground. Maybe it's a Generation thing. The 20-somethings think of 5FDP and the like whenever someone says "Metal".
It's what's played on the radio and it's what draws the fans of that age. Nobody "gets" your band unless they're already familiar with and like bands such as Judas Priest and other NWOBHM. Nobody "gets" my band unless they are already familiar with and like bands such as Black Sabbath and Candlemass. You and I don't sound like 5FDP and we don't want to because you and I play by our own rules and have to work harder to get a following....from the Underground back up.
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It was like that very much here, but we stuck it out, and I honestly think we heped turn the tied. Younger headbangers, younger than me (hit 35 on Sunday) from late teens to late 20's are getting into their proper metal now. Some shows we play in Ireland, we have kids wearing gear like you see the kids wearing in the Judas Priest Hot Rocking video!!! So this is cool. The mentality still exists however on familiarity. But we built that familiarity up ourselves so that's what sticking to our guns has done for us. The scene is far from perfect though. Too much shit still listened to.
I notice England seems to still be infected by that nu-metal era style crap in some areas, which is weird. Its like a time warp lol and not a good one. We do ok over there and are building a rep but some places we walk into and their is f**king limp bizkit playing. Other places will be Iron Maiden or Judas Priest. Seems to be pockets of trad and then other pockets of Nu (this is my blanket term for everything shit after grundge :lol:)
--- Quote from: Kim on January 08, 2018, 04:20:32 PM ---Our last drummer also kept trying to push covers. (Guess where he is now....) lol
I could do one or two, but am very picky about which ones to do and I'd rather not anyway.
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We would knock out the odd cover if we felt we needed to fill the set back in the day but that's it. Here are the songs my band has covered in total through ten years of playing live!!! You will notice these are generally not the typical songs to cover except for the Priest songs!!!
Motorhead - Heart of Stone
Motorhead - Poison
Motorhead - Die you Bastard (this was done at our single launch and a tribute to Lemmy who had just died at the time)
Judas Priest - Metal Gods
Judas Priest - Breaking the law
Accept - Midnight Highway (only in rehearsal room)
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