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ADA Preamps => Original MP-1 => Topic started by: DannyjoeCarter on January 11, 2017, 04:29:01 PM
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Well Folks I thought I would share this since everyone has helped me so much in coming back on board with the ADA rack setup.
So here's the complete rig, which is beyond simple - stock MP-1 into the Mesa Boogie 2:50 power amp ( 6L6s ) and into Peavey 5150 cabinet with the stock Sheffield 1200 speakers ( rewired to 8 ohms ).
Now here's what I'm curious about what you guys think ;D
Believe it or not... I preferred the fx send into my noisegate and delay then straight into the power amp over using the stereo outs of the MP-1! ( see my pic of the rear shot ) Has anyone tried this?
Why did I do this? The tone was a lot fuller and lively I felt than going into the stereo outs.
Just thought I would share :)
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Looks very clean. Nice separation between the devices.
Fun with your usage of Fx as Outs; someone might want to test you claims and check out the schematics for difference to explain..
No external effects at all, except what's in the MP-1; not often we see a real bare bone rig like this.
If it's found out why the Fx allegedly sounds better than the normal Outs, you could fix this and opt for simply plugging a basic reverb pedal into the loop - this is what I currently do on my MP-2.
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Downside of using the fx send is that you can't use the build in analog chorus of the MP-1.
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Hey DjC, it's a valid patching idea as (in the MP-1) the Fx send output comes just after the tube section & eq and is still in mono. It will be affected by the send return level knob (which is a ~unity gain knob ie as you turn up the send it decreases the return (and visa versa), this is designed so adding things in the loop doesn't stuff your gain structure (what goes in is what comes out level/volts wise (albeit modified/added to by Fxs). As MJMP says you then loose the rest of the MP-1 circuit, after the Fx return it feeds the "stereo" chorus, from this point on (after the chorus) the MP-1 is in "pseudo" stereo. At the end of the day, it's whatever sound you want. You can also take the headphone out direct to poweramp (or better sound card/PC input). The headphone has very rudimentary cab simulation (reduces the top end a bit with a couple of capacitors) and this is in stereo and after the chorus.
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Downside of using the fx send is that you can't use the build in analog chorus of the MP-1.
Well.. then here's a crazy idea:
The 2:50 amp is stereo, so rewire the cab as a split-stack, run the MP-1 loop Send to one amp channel, and the MP-1 Out to the other amp channel. Do beware of wiring the cab for proper Ohm's!
Might produce a cool sound, you never know..
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Nice little rig you got there, DJC! :whoohoo!:
You need a multi fx in that spare rack space (buy moar!! lol )
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Hey guys!
Been real busy buying more MP-1s for back up :banana:
Yeah I know it's crazy the way I run my rig, I did the same thing 20 years ago. Here's the trick for me - running out of the send it's a real hot signal and a single cable that goes into my noisegate/delay pedal then a Y plug into the 2:50. When I engage the chorus it adds a fatness and dimension WITHOUT the washing of the chorus effect itself. You can hear and feel the depth, kind of like an imager.
If any of you would like to try this give it a shot - the send straight into your power amp! It may surprise you how amp like it is and responds like a head. Not everyone will like that because of losing your stereo options but I love the "amp" feel and just want loud mean power and tone with a little delay for my sound.
But it may be a fun experiment for some of you - just shaing guys :D
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Yep still at it - adding more cabinets now! :headbanger:
Decided to keep the other great working/sounding MP-1 aside to build a second rack this spring - or sooner!
Thanks guys always for your help, this wouldn't be possible without all of your input :D
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This means WALL OF SOUND, Dan!
Very good job bro! :whoohoo!:
For the 2nd rack, consider a GMaj and a B200s.... :banana-guitar:
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Lookin' Good!! :thumb-up:
I hope you're not married, because if you are, you're gonna be buying drapes or towels or bedroom sets to counter what you're spending on yourself :lol:
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Lookin' Good!! :thumb-up:
I hope you're not married, because if you are, you're gonna be buying drapes or towels or bedroom sets to counter what you're spending on yourself :lol:
Useless.
THEY know what you're going to do in the same second you think about it for the very first time.
And you will pay for that.
Wives are cruel beings from the outer space.
Dangerous ones. :green-banana-smiley-emoticon:
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Well I will confess, I married an angel - married 23 years and she really supports what I love to do and hopes I get to see my dreams come true one day :homer:
I have always put my family first and saved for my gear however this time my best friend came into some serious money and has sponsored my new rig! :banana-guitar: It's amazing to have some great friends and family :)
Now this, getting a few more pieces and the rack is still growing :whoohoo!:
Got the Rane ME30 31 band EQ - AMAZING!!! And cut the mids that I wanted down slightly and now I'm golden!
Except for the TC fx or Quad or....................................Still trying to decide ;D
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I see your point Danny and I share it.
My wife as well does the same...I've to be honest. :thumb-up:
We married 17 years ago and she always supported my main hobby...also she suggested me to have a training with a serious and well known italian guitar maker to start my small activity with guitars and basses repair and setup (and I did it...).
I just miss a friend into serious money who would sponsor my gear, but I do not want to recriminate about this... :lol:
Now...about growing racks full of crack gear, this is a dangerous place full of very dangerous people. :banana:
And I love it!!! :banana-rock:
I did not complete my first new rack yet (but missing stuff is coming fast!) and I'm building a second one. :facepalm:
I already have the Zoom 9150...all alone now...with his dedicated 8050 MIDI controller and FP-01 expression pedal...should I sell it? Why?
It's easier to buy a Marshall Valvestate 8008 power amp, a 2U rack case and a Behringer FCB1010 MIDI controller for some nuts. :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
Damage done. :whoohoo!:
Go look for a TC GMaj, bro. :banana-upsidedown:
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I see your point Danny and I share it.
My wife as well does the same...I've to be honest. :thumb-up:
We married 17 years ago and she always supported my main hobby...also she suggested me to have a training with a serious and well known italian guitar maker to start my small activity with guitars and basses repair and setup (and I did it...).
I just miss a friend into serious money who would sponsor my gear, but I do not want to recriminate about this... :lol:
Now...about growing racks full of crack gear, this is a dangerous place full of very dangerous people. :banana:
And I love it!!! :banana-rock:
yeah I'm very lucky to have the amazing wife I have - I have several friends that wound up divorced over there musical gear and pursuits! :lol:
And yes I'm keeping this rack really simple and now that I'm getting ready to try the Mid Mod I may not even need the EQ in there - but still FX ;D
So I'm gathering intel on that still ;D
I did not complete my first new rack yet (but missing stuff is coming fast!) and I'm building a second one. :facepalm:
I already have the Zoom 9150...all alone now...with his dedicated 8050 MIDI controller and FP-01 expression pedal...should I sell it? Why?
It's easier to buy a Marshall Valvestate 8008 power amp, a 2U rack case and a Behringer FCB1010 MIDI controller for some nuts. :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
Damage done. :whoohoo!:
Go look for a TC GMaj, bro. :banana-upsidedown:
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:whoohoo!: wow you guys are on a serious roll, now on your journey, keep in mind your gain structure :thumb-up: .
Now switching is coming up, I use an ADA MXC midi pedal (7 pin midi lead, power comes from wall wart plugged into ADA preamp) and an ADA expression pedal (for real time CC control of stuff and an ADA quad switch for on/off CC control of stuff). And yes there are many other midi control pedals available (the Behringer FCB1010 being (a very versatile) one of them).
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:whoohoo!: wow you guys are on a serious roll, now on your journey, keep in mind your gain structure :thumb-up: .
It's YOUR fault!!! :banana-skipping-rope-smiley-e :banana-skipping-rope-smiley-e :banana-skipping-rope-smiley-e
Dangerous people... :banana-dance:
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:whoohoo!: >:D :metal: :headbanger:
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:whoohoo!: wow you guys are on a serious roll, now on your journey, keep in mind your gain structure :thumb-up: .
Now switching is coming up, I use an ADA MXC midi pedal (7 pin midi lead, power comes from wall wart plugged into ADA preamp) and an ADA expression pedal (for real time CC control of stuff and an ADA quad switch for on/off CC control of stuff). And yes there are many other midi control pedals available (the Behringer FCB1010 being (a very versatile) one of them).
Yeah I keep mine at 6.0/6.0/6.5 for master and never touch it. And believe it or not......I never switch channels :o I roll back the volume and do everything else from the guitar.
The biggest reason is because I never do covers, ever - and only do my original music and I pretty have two sounds, heavy dirty for lead and rhythm and then roll back for cleans. But with so many of you doing a wide setlist of material you'll need the switching.
But thank you for the info Richard!
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Yep I'm still at it :lol: But now I'm just about there folks :headbanger:
I bought the Rane 31 band EQ a couple days ago and a bigger rack box ( more than likely to house the new FX unit, still not sure which - TC, Quadraverb, ect........ ) and I did this to drop the mids slightly. You can see a close up in my pic.
This has been a fun journey and a stressful one but I have what I want and need ;D
I just like sharing with you guys :banana:
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Hey DjC and "we like to watch" LoL so thanks for sharing :thumb-up: So is that just a Messa face plate under you MP-1 ?
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Hey DjC and "we like to watch" LoL so thanks for sharing :thumb-up: So is that just a Messa face plate under you MP-1 ?
A 6U rack case, Rich... :facepalm:
There's room for another 2 rack units...
Danny, you're in serious DANGER!!! :headbanger: :headbanger: :headbanger:
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RACK p*rn!!!! YAY!!!
We love this stuff man, keep it comin!
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RACK p*rn!!!! YAY!!!
We love this stuff man, keep it comin!
:postpics:
+1 :whoohoo!:
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Yeah two extra spaces for..............................an fx processor or a wireless or another MP-1 one :whoohoo!:
Haven't decided yet but when I do four screws out and the Mesa plate removed and I'm ready to rock - some more :headbanger:
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get a power conditioner. who cares if it helps or not. it makes any rack setup look complete. you need the one with the lights.
looking good btw. would be nice if you can get an ADA logo on your cabs.
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get a power conditioner. who cares if it helps or not. it makes any rack setup look complete. you need the one with the lights.
looking good btw. would be nice if you can get an ADA logo on your cabs.
Yeah I agree about the lights too with the Furman - looks killer! :thumb-up:
And yes I would love to rock the ADA logos, anyone have any idea where I might snag a pair of those? I never had their cabinets because I just never could get into the 2X12 thing but I would use the logos just the same :-D
The biggest thing with this system is it SOUNDS amazing! I hate being under powered and that is not a problem with this set up :headbanger:
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Mmmm, so there "are" 2 RUs to fill >:D , excellent Smithers excellent... Best advice, IMO, one decent multi FX (preferably an older school one) and a 1 RU (eg Alesis) line mixer (so you can run your rig in stereo >:D :headbanger: (and you WILL like it allot :thumb-up: ) and mix in stereo Fx in parallel, this is how MP-1/2 are supposed to sound BTW. Now I understand the power supply in the US isn't great (hey you guys are still discovering earth it seems) but you shouldn't need a furman. Sure they look cool, but at $550+ AUD with a 4" x 2" PCB... :dunno: If you need power conditioning, a $180 AUD UPS (from any computer shop) will do a better job (my take on it).
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Mmmm, so there "are" 2 RUs to fill >:D , excellent Smithers excellent... Best advice, IMO, one decent multi FX (preferably an older school one) and a 1 RU (eg Alesis) line mixer (so you can run your rig in stereo >:D :headbanger: (and you WILL like it allot :thumb-up: ) and mix in stereo Fx in parallel, this is how MP-1/2 are supposed to sound BTW. Now I understand the power supply in the US isn't great (hey you guys are still discovering earth it seems) but you shouldn't need a furman. Sure they look cool, but at $550+ AUD with a 4" x 2" PCB... :dunno: If you need power conditioning, a $180 AUD UPS (from any computer shop) will do a better job (my take on it).
Man in the 8 hours since I last posted I pulled the trigger on a mint condition Alesis Quadraverb!!!!! :headbanger: Pics coming unless you don't want ;D
Thanks for all the advice and suggestions Folks - here's how I came to that conclusion;
I remember how much I loved the 11 band graphic EQ because of how precise yet subtle it could be.
Also the noisegate in the Quad GT was and is still one of the best there is!
And I loved how transparent it is and how much I loved the delays in it!
And also the Quad GT will now illuminate the Rane EQ "AND" my two pedals ( digital delay and noisegate ) I have mounted in the back of the rack!! :banana-jazz-smiley-emoticon:
So I will still have even more space for MORE gear ;D
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Do you mean eliminate (get rid of) or illuminate (shine a light on) (seems the pesky "e" is the problem for the spell checker LoL).
Here's a couple of suggestions for the (is it 3 now ?) spare RUs. A MP-2 (with Mullard LPs :thumb-up: ), apart from the wonderful tones you'll get you can also use the cab sims for your MP-1 (just plug MP-1 in to the MP-2 Fx returns) for recording/Direct to PA etc. This way you also pick up the MP-2 room eq (quite handy) and stereo master vol via a midi expression pedal (I use the ADA MXC pedal pack).
I'd go a 1 or 2 RU rack line mixer (needs at least 1 stereo Fx send, use for QV GT paralleled mix in).
If you wanted to go with a rack tuner, my pick (and the only one I'd consider) is the Peterson (1 RU, but they are expensive), however, strobe tuning is sooo much better than the digital tuners (which all have dead zones). I've stopped using digital tuners, I use a Peterson Strobo clip, best $75 I've ever spent.
If you wanted a very light poweramp which will probably sound better than the boogie :dunno: the Carvin DCM200L sounds great, 1 RU, quiet, new and can also be used to run passive studio monitors...
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I was missing you, Danny! :thumb-up: :bow:
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Do you mean eliminate (get rid of) or illuminate (shine a light on) (seems the pesky "e" is the problem for the spell checker LoL).
Here's a couple of suggestions for the (is it 3 now ?) spare RUs. A MP-2 (with Mullard LPs :thumb-up: ), apart from the wonderful tones you'll get you can also use the cab sims for your MP-1 (just plug MP-1 in to the MP-2 Fx returns) for recording/Direct to PA etc. This way you also pick up the MP-2 room eq (quite handy) and stereo master vol via a midi expression pedal (I use the ADA MXC pedal pack).
I'd go a 1 or 2 RU rack line mixer (needs at least 1 stereo Fx send, use for QV GT paralleled mix in).
If you wanted to go with a rack tuner, my pick (and the only one I'd consider) is the Peterson (1 RU, but they are expensive), however, strobe tuning is sooo much better than the digital tuners (which all have dead zones). I've stopped using digital tuners, I use a Peterson Strobo clip, best $75 I've ever spent.
If you wanted a very light poweramp which will probably sound better than the boogie :dunno: the Carvin DCM200L sounds great, 1 RU, quiet, new and can also be used to run passive studio monitors...
You're killing a dead man, do you know this Rich? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Man in the 8 hours since I last posted I pulled the trigger on a mint condition Alesis Quadraverb!!!!! :headbanger: Pics coming unless you don't want ;D
Hey Dan, are you going to connect MP-1 straight to Quadraverb in stereo config or will you use a Line Mixer?
It is not so easy to find a line mixer with stereo inputs and full stereo FX loops, it seems.... :facepalm:
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Man in the 8 hours since I last posted I pulled the trigger on a mint condition Alesis Quadraverb!!!!! :headbanger: Pics coming unless you don't want ;D
Hey Dan, are you going to connect MP-1 straight to Quadraverb in stereo config or will you use a Line Mixer?
It is not so easy to find a line mixer with stereo inputs and full stereo FX loops, it seems.... :facepalm:
Well I think I'm going to run it straight in line after the MP-1 then into the Mesa 2:50. I really don't think I want to add anything else to my rack and just keep it simple. So yeah Iperfungus I'll run my MP-1 stereo out into the Boogie! :banana:
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Man in the 8 hours since I last posted I pulled the trigger on a mint condition Alesis Quadraverb!!!!! :headbanger: Pics coming unless you don't want ;D
Hey Dan, are you going to connect MP-1 straight to Quadraverb in stereo config or will you use a Line Mixer?
It is not so easy to find a line mixer with stereo inputs and full stereo FX loops, it seems.... :facepalm:
Well I think I'm going to run it straight in line after the MP-1 then into the Mesa 2:50. I really don't think I want to add anything else to my rack and just keep it simple. So yeah Iperfungus I'll run my MP-1 stereo out into the Boogie! :banana:
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Same way I will run my MP-1: stereo into GMaj and then stereo in the B200s! :metal:
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OK All Done Guys - RACK IS FINISHED!!!!! :banana:
I haven't been on much in the last week because I have been finishing my rack! I want to thank all of you for the great suggestions for FX units and as you can see I chose the Alesis Quadraverb GT! :headbanger:
This unit is as I remember it 25 years ago; VERY transparent, incredible noisegate and great 11 band EQ!!!
And the best part is I got it in MINT condition for $88.00 through Guitar Center!!!!!!! ( Side note, yes I have bought two - the other one will be here tomorrow ;D )
Now I didn't want to dedicate an entire rack space for a Furman but went with a custom power strip a friend made for me. Looks like a regular strip but it has some extra bells and whistles and the main thing it's over rated powerwise to handle a lightning bolt from Mount Olympus :banana-trip:
In other news - MJMP and I have been in contact and just today I shipped him my first of a few MP-1s for servicing! :bow:
Not having anything custom done but rather turning these poor condition units into reliable work horses. :thumb-up:
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I'd say you did very well - that is a killer rig. I had a QV GT for a while, and a regular QV for a VEEEERRRY long time. Man, that unit took some abuse and kept on working.
Your amp has got to sound fantastic with the MP-1
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I'd say you did very well - that is a killer rig. I had a QV GT for a while, and a regular QV for a VEEEERRRY long time. Man, that unit took some abuse and kept on working.
Your amp has got to sound fantastic with the MP-1
Yeah it's a huge sound Dante yet very quiet. I tuned my rig at 110 dB yesterday at 12 feet - I know crazy loud but I love it that way :headbanger:
And it is very crunchy and articulate so I couldn't be happier ;D :banana-upsidedown:
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...now that we got all the sights...time for some sounds!!! ;-)))
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Veeeeeeeeeeery good job Dan! :thumb-up:
Too bad you're not using the MP-1 in stereo config, but I want to try the Send solution as well... :bow: :metal:
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...now that we got all the sights...time for some sounds!!! ;-)))
+1 :banana:
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Veeeeeeeeeeery good job Dan! :thumb-up:
Too bad you're not using the MP-1 in stereo config, but I want to try the Send solution as well... :bow: :metal:
Yep I tried it that way for a short time and went back to the send. You would have to hear and feel it - LOUD!! :o
Through the send it seems to respond like a head and the signal is thicker and more direct for some reason. So now I leave it that way - but my rig is still stereo because of the Quadraverb and I have the delays set at 550 on the left and 625 on the right and it sounds HUGE!
And yes video clips will come in awhile; all the money went into guitar gear and no camera equipment :lol: My little Flip camera broke and my cell phone camera doesn't look right but sounds just ok. So I will have to figure out making as video but I will! ;D
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What about QV GT Noise Gate? Is a smooth working gate?
Do you feel any improvement compared to the pedal noise gate in MP-1's loop?
Can you post your MP-1's settings and QV gate settings?
I would compare with my setup.
Currently I'm testing with a TC Sentry noise gate pedal between guitar and MP-1 and then the GMaj's noise gate after the MP-1.
Results are interesting...I can fine tune the gate action...complete SILENCE even with very high gain settings while not playing and 100% dynamics.
The Sentry is to be put in the pedalboard, but I've another small XVive noise gate that works pretty good...and I could keep it for this application...
I just have to try the noise gate in MP-1's loop and compare the two solutions.
About MP-1's send, there's the extra level control of the loop you can use to fine tune or boost output signal...maybe that's the plus! ;)
I will try that this evening! :thumb-up:
And there's also the stereo phones out...with its own eq and output level pot...with a Y signal splitter...
Definitely the MP-1 is a complete tricky unit, where you can easily find standard or no-standard solutions to match your taste or needings.
Its plenty of 100% usable features and if you find a 100% working unit you can have fun for a whole life.
I tested MIDI on mine and now I know it's 100% working fine...yes, I've been lucky! :canadian-flag-banana-smiley-e
Good idea to send some of your MP-1s to MJMP for service! :thumb-up:
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Go DjC :whoohoo!: . up and working, now the fun begins :thumb-up: . I have some patching suggestions I'd like you to try and let me know your thoughts.
With your current rig - use both main outs (not Fx send) into QV, turn on MP-1 chorus, set rate = 0 and depth 100, and toggle chorus on/off to compare, let me know how that compares to your current setup.
Then repeat above but with your other best MP-1 (I'm trying to sus out if there is something not quite as good as it should be in the chorus > main out circuits).
Also with your cabs (maybe do this first ?) move them apart at least the width of one of the quad boxes (stops infinite baffle coupling across the 2 of them) and will (should) greatly enhance the stereo definition (and all round wow >:D factor).
The last may be a bit harder, use a small mixer with 2 Aux/Fx sends, plug MP-1 Fx send > ch1, MP-1 out A/B > ch 2/3, use Fx send 1/2 to QV, return Ch4/5 (or a stereo return ?), mixer main outs > Amp... and again play with the chorus trick above (just adds a nice short doubling (analogue) delay). To me this last one is the ultimate setup, you can adjust the mixer input channels to get the best blend of MP-1 (Fx out/main out) and Fx.
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Go DjC :whoohoo!: . up and working, now the fun begins :thumb-up: . I have some patching suggestions I'd like you to try and let me know your thoughts.
With your current rig - use both main outs (not Fx send) into QV, turn on MP-1 chorus, set rate = 0 and depth 100, and toggle chorus on/off to compare, let me know how that compares to your current setup.
Very interesting test...I will do it! :lol:
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Awesome. You've done a very neat and tidy job. :whoohoo!:
My only issue is with the title of the thread. Is a rack ever truly "complete"? Even with my limited experience, I have noticed that racks are never complete, they just go through periods of stability. :facepalm:
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My only issue is with the title of the thread. Is a rack ever truly "complete"? Even with my limited experience, I have noticed that racks are never complete, they just go through periods of stability. :facepalm:
+1
I was thinking the same... :facepalm:
And, sad but true, it applies to pedalboards as well...
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What about QV GT Noise Gate? Is a smooth working gate?
Do you feel any improvement compared to the pedal noise gate in MP-1's loop?
Can you post your MP-1's settings and QV gate settings?
I would compare with my setup.
Currently I'm testing with a TC Sentry noise gate pedal between guitar and MP-1 and then the GMaj's noise gate after the MP-1.
Results are interesting...I can fine tune the gate action...complete SILENCE even with very high gain settings while not playing and 100% dynamics.
The Sentry is to be put in the pedalboard, but I've another small XVive noise gate that works pretty good...and I could keep it for this application...
I just have to try the noise gate in MP-1's loop and compare the two solutions.
About MP-1's send, there's the extra level control of the loop you can use to fine tune or boost output signal...maybe that's the plus! ;)
I will try that this evening! :thumb-up:
And there's also the stereo phones out...with its own eq and output level pot...with a Y signal splitter...
Definitely the MP-1 is a complete tricky unit, where you can easily find standard or no-standard solutions to match your taste or needings.
Its plenty of 100% usable features and if you find a 100% working unit you can have fun for a whole life.
I tested MIDI on mine and now I know it's 100% working fine...yes, I've been lucky! :canadian-flag-banana-smiley-e
Good idea to send some of your MP-1s to MJMP for service! :thumb-up:
No problem here are my settings Bro -
MP-1
OD1 6 | OD2 6 | MASTER 6.5 | BASS 4 | MID -12 | TREBLE -6 | PRESENSE -6 | DEPTH 30 | RATE 1.0 ( I set the internal chorus trim pot all the off, counter clockwise )
QV Graphic EQ and Delay setting with Delay at left 625 mill - 10 % repeat and 650 and 15% on the right.
In the preamp section I have the gate dimed at 16. Now the trick is to use the input control of the Quadraverb at about 10 o'clock so that the gate does not sputter and is smooth and DEAD quiet! The little Mooer Noise Killer pedal is extremely cool but having the gate, delay AND graphic EQ in one unit is INCREDIBLE!! But at a later time I will use the little Mooer Repeater Delay and Noise Killer in a little pedal board I'll put together.
Now a little more on the QuadraVerbs gate - It never cuts off the notes and now I never have to even turn my guitar down between songs, just stop playing!! :banana: No sputter or loss of notes either - and if I decide to lower the guitar volume for a particular part of the song, still NO drop off/out! :o
This is incredible for a unit I paid $88.00 in mint condition!!! The other one came today and it was $100 with shipping - my Mooer pedals cost more than that :lol:
My only issue is with the title of the thread. Is a rack ever truly "complete"? Even with my limited experience, I have noticed that racks are never complete, they just go through periods of stability. :facepalm:
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I was thinking the same... :facepalm:
And, sad but true, it applies to pedalboards as well...
Yeah there is truth to that - but for me truthfully Mike what you see in this pic is it for me; even back in the 80's this is the identical rack I had with the exception of the Mesa Boogie 50/50 instead of the 2:50. :D
Go DjC :whoohoo!: . up and working, now the fun begins :thumb-up: . I have some patching suggestions I'd like you to try and let me know your thoughts.
With your current rig - use both main outs (not Fx send) into QV, turn on MP-1 chorus, set rate = 0 and depth 100, and toggle chorus on/off to compare, let me know how that compares to your current setup.
Then repeat above but with your other best MP-1 (I'm trying to sus out if there is something not quite as good as it should be in the chorus > main out circuits).
Also with your cabs (maybe do this first ?) move them apart at least the width of one of the quad boxes (stops infinite baffle coupling across the 2 of them) and will (should) greatly enhance the stereo definition (and all round wow >:D factor).
The last may be a bit harder, use a small mixer with 2 Aux/Fx sends, plug MP-1 Fx send > ch1, MP-1 out A/B > ch 2/3, use Fx send 1/2 to QV, return Ch4/5 (or a stereo return ?), mixer main outs > Amp... and again play with the chorus trick above (just adds a nice short doubling (analogue) delay). To me this last one is the ultimate setup, you can adjust the mixer input channels to get the best blend of MP-1 (Fx out/main out) and Fx.
OK actually my Buddy Jason did this one with the chorus set rate = 0 and depth 100 and while cool, just a little washy for me. Also with the cabs separated in creates a slight dead spot and breaks up my "Wall of Sound" so to speak. But I will give that a shot again and see for myself what I think Richard :D
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No problem here are my settings Bro -
MP-1
OD1 6 | OD2 6 | MASTER 6.5 | BASS 4 | MID -12 | TREBLE -6 | PRESENSE -6 | DEPTH 30 | RATE 1.0 ( I set the internal chorus trim pot all the off, counter clockwise )
QV Graphic EQ and Delay setting with Delay at left 625 mill - 10 % repeat and 650 and 15% on the right.
In the preamp section I have the gate dimed at 16. Now the trick is to use the input control of the Quadraverb at about 10 o'clock so that the gate does not sputter and is smooth and DEAD quiet! The little Mooer Noise Killer pedal is extremely cool but having the gate, delay AND graphic EQ in one unit is INCREDIBLE!! But at a later time I will use the little Mooer Repeater Delay and Noise Killer in a little pedal board I'll put together.
Now a little more on the QuadraVerbs gate - It never cuts off the notes and now I never have to even turn my guitar down between songs, just stop playing!! :banana: No sputter or loss of notes either - and if I decide to lower the guitar volume for a particular part of the song, still NO drop off/out! :o
This is incredible for a unit I paid $88.00 in mint condition!!! The other one came today and it was $100 with shipping - my Mooer pedals cost more than that :lol:
Nice tips mate! :thumb-up:
I will cross information from you and rnolan to run some more testing with my stuff.
I find that to use 2 noise gates (a pedal in front of MP-1 and the internal noise gate of the FX unit) allows smoother response and a more natural sound, since you can let a more clean signal from guitar enter MP-1 and then you've not to crank the FX unit noise gate to max, so that dynamics stay good and decay more natural.
I've to say that I use both a TC Electronic pedal (Sentry) and FX unit (GMaj): both gates have a DAMP parameter that, combined with threshold, allows a very good gate fine tuning.
You could attempt with your pedal noise gate, anyway.
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The whole time I used a MP-1 I never used (or needed to) a gate :dunno: . Now MP-2 is a different beast, lots more gain >:D and its high gain voices need a gate... Also I get why you need a gate (or 2 as MJMP does) for 3TM (but you've added another 2 gain stages with the additional tube (more gain = more (louder) noise :facepalm: )). But f your MP-1s "need" a gate, maybe they just need the old caps replaced ? or also the MDRT as it also helps reduce noise and really opens up the MP-1 dynamics.
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Well...one thing I would love to do in the future is to send my MP-1 to MJMP for service, recapping (noise mod) and new transformer.
I would not do any other mods to it, since I love the original tone and its gain amount is more than enough for me.
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Some interesting tests tonight. :thumb-up:
Danny, you're a tricky guy...signal from SEND is strong and powerful, even if I do prefer (as Richard) the stereo signal coming from MP-1's outputs.
But...but...did you try to run a stereo config where one regular output and SEND are both used???
In that way you've separate outputs with separate output level controls: the front output level pot and the level pot of effects loop... :headbanger:
Try that...results can be interesting...
Then I created a patch with your settings and tone is awesome.
I also like chorus setting suggested by Richard: I tested with my settings and your settings and final sound is cool a lot.
I love the MP-1: a tricky preamp for tricky people! :banana-guitar: :banana-guitar: :banana-guitar:
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Some interesting tests tonight. :thumb-up:
Danny, you're a tricky guy...signal from SEND is strong and powerful, even if I do prefer (as Richard) the stereo signal coming from MP-1's outputs.
But...but...did you try to run a stereo config where one regular output and SEND are both used???
In that way you've separate outputs with separate output level controls: the front output level pot and the level pot of effects loop... :headbanger:
Try that...results can be interesting...
Then I created a patch with your settings and tone is awesome.
I also like chorus setting suggested by Richard: I tested with my settings and your settings and final sound is cool a lot.
I love the MP-1: a tricky preamp for tricky people! :banana-guitar: :banana-guitar: :banana-guitar:
Yeah the whole hotter signal thing for me is the key more so than being stereo. To my ears and hands, from the send "feels" like an amp head.
Stereo is always a problem for me because unless I'm in one spot all the time I lose the "Sweet Spot" and it gets washed out! The rest of the band doesn't really get to hear the stereo effect and it has always bothered me when I'm hearing the longer delay cabinet as opposed to the dry one.
So my rack is set up like a complexed head and I need it that way.
As for a gate, I agree with you Richard the stock MP-1 is very quiet on it's own but back in the 80's I got very spoiled with having a dead silent rig like it's on standby and then hit a chord and it blows the room away :headbanger:
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As for a gate, I agree with you Richard the stock MP-1 is very quiet on it's own but back in the 80's I got very spoiled with having a dead silent rig like it's on standby and then hit a chord and it blows the room away :headbanger:
I agree.
The MP-1 gets "noisy" on high gain settings, but that's normal...there's nothing dead silent at high gain and high volume levels.
But if you want SILENCE...a noise gate helps a lot!
The main "problem" is to find a good one and learn how to use it in a proper way to avoid killing signal and dynamics.
PS. by the way, I LOVE MP-1 stereo outputs over all! I've to agree with Richard about this point!
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OK All Done Guys - RACK IS FINISHED!!!!! :banana:
I haven't been on much in the last week because I have been finishing my rack! I want to thank all of you for the great suggestions for FX units and as you can see I chose the Alesis Quadraverb GT! :headbanger:
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As for a gate, I agree with you Richard the stock MP-1 is very quiet on it's own but back in the 80's I got very spoiled with having a dead silent rig like it's on standby and then hit a chord and it blows the room away :headbanger:
I agree.
The MP-1 gets "noisy" on high gain settings, but that's normal...there's nothing dead silent at high gain and high volume levels.
But if you want SILENCE...a noise gate helps a lot!
The main "problem" is to find a good one and learn how to use it in a proper way to avoid killing signal and dynamics.
Yeah the Quad GT has one of the best gates I have ever heard because it doesn't respirate or sputter. Once you get your input signal matched with the input control you're golden!! :thumb-up:
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OK All Done Guys - RACK IS FINISHED!!!!! :banana:
I haven't been on much in the last week because I have been finishing my rack! I want to thank all of you for the great suggestions for FX units and as you can see I chose the Alesis Quadraverb GT! :headbanger:
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And I'm guessing this is a praise then Kim so thank you!
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The patch really worth trying IMO is combine Send out + Main A/B outs into a desk (or whatever) >:D
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The patch really worth trying IMO is combine Send out + Main A/B outs into a desk (or whatever) >:D
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The patch really worth trying IMO is combine Send out + Main A/B outs into a desk (or whatever) >:D
This is a great suggestion Richard because this would allow me to run the send to the house PA or where ever, recording desk ect. and still have my main cabs as my monitors!!!!!!
Awesome suggestion - will try out soon!! :thumb-up:
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Hey DjC, as I said now the fun begins >:D :thumb-up: .
When you start considering sending direct to full range systems (PA, recording, foldback wedges, headphones etc) you have to reduce the top end in the signal sent to them as your MP-1 patches are setup for 12" guitar cabs (which obviously don't have a tweeter and are not full range (and roll off around 5khz). Cabinet simulators do the job (and ADA have just released their new version, GCS5), probably the most fundamental thing all cab sims do is filter the top end. The MP-1 headphone out has a couple of caps in the circuit to filter the top end (so it sounds ok in the full range headphones) and can be used as a basic cab sim for sending the stereo signal to full range systems.
Mike has the ADA GCS3 cab sim in his MP-1 loop, he makes 2 identical patches, one with loop in ie cab simmed to use for recording, headphone amp or plugging directly into my studio setup, and the other with the loop out for normal amp > cab use (which he uses mostly).
With my hybrid rig (MB=1 for bass and MP-2 for guitar (and bass >:D ) I use Mesa P112 bass cabs which have a tweeter but are not "flat" full range cabs. So I take the MP-2 main outs and 2 cab sim outs (MP-2 has cab sim option built in) into my mixer (AM802) and blend them together. The MB-1 is full range so I take its full range out into another channel (and mix in stereo Fxs using Aux sends and returns). I can then split the bass PUs neck into MB-1 and bridge into MP-2 and mix it all together.
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Hey DjC, as I said now the fun begins >:D :thumb-up: .
When you start considering sending direct to full range systems (PA, recording, foldback wedges, headphones etc) you have to reduce the top end in the signal sent to them as your MP-1 patches are setup for 12" guitar cabs (which obviously don't have a tweeter and are not full range (and roll off around 5khz). Cabinet simulators do the job (and ADA have just released their new version, GCS5), probably the most fundamental thing all cab sims do is filter the top end. The MP-1 headphone out has a couple of caps in the circuit to filter the top end (so it sounds ok in the full range headphones) and can be used as a basic cab sim for sending the stereo signal to full range systems.
Mike has the ADA GCS3 cab sim in his MP-1 loop, he makes 2 identical patches, one with loop in ie cab simmed to use for recording, headphone amp or plugging directly into my studio setup, and the other with the loop out for normal amp > cab use (which he uses mostly).
With my hybrid rig (MB=1 for bass and MP-2 for guitar (and bass >:D ) I use Mesa P112 bass cabs which have a tweeter but are not "flat" full range cabs. So I take the MP-2 main outs and 2 cab sim outs (MP-2 has cab sim option built in) into my mixer (AM802) and blend them together. The MB-1 is full range so I take its full range out into another channel (and mix in stereo Fxs using Aux sends and returns). I can then split the bass PUs neck into MB-1 and bridge into MP-2 and mix it all together.
Man awesome info here Richard - gonna have to check this out and try all these suggestions!!! :banana:
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Guys here's both me and Jason's rigs - yes we have 4 current MP-1s and the 5th one is one it's way to MJMP :banana:
And we have yet another being shipped this week - sound clips will come in a couple weeks ;D
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Looking good DjC :thumb-up: :whoohoo!:
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You guys are TOTALLY CRAZY!!! :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:
:headbanger: :banana-rock: :banana-guitar: :metal: :waving-banana-smiley-emoticon
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You guys are TOTALLY CRAZY!!! :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:
:headbanger: :banana-rock: :banana-guitar: :metal: :waving-banana-smiley-emoticon
+1 ;D
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You guys are TOTALLY CRAZY!!! :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:
:headbanger: :banana-rock: :banana-guitar: :metal: :waving-banana-smiley-emoticon
+1 ;D
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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You guys are TOTALLY CRAZY!!! :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:
:headbanger: :banana-rock: :banana-guitar: :metal: :waving-banana-smiley-emoticon
Hey thanks ;D This is just so much fun we can't help it.
Two more MP-1s ordered - just to be sure :thumb-up:
The others may keep MJMP busy for awhile so we didn't want to go without :headbanger:
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You guys are TOTALLY CRAZY!!! :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:
:headbanger: :banana-rock: :banana-guitar: :metal: :waving-banana-smiley-emoticon
Hey thanks ;D This is just so much fun we can't help it.
Two more MP-1s ordered - just to be sure :thumb-up:
The others may keep MJMP busy for awhile so we didn't want to go without :headbanger:
8? :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :whoohoo!: :whoohoo!: :whoohoo!: :bow: :bow: :bow:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Hey, I've to send my MP-1 to MJMP to do the PIMP MY ADA dance... :banana-dance:
Don't you send too many units!!! :lol:
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You guys are TOTALLY CRAZY!!! :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:
:headbanger: :banana-rock: :banana-guitar: :metal: :waving-banana-smiley-emoticon
Hey thanks ;D This is just so much fun we can't help it.
Two more MP-1s ordered - just to be sure :thumb-up:
The others may keep MJMP busy for awhile so we didn't want to go without :headbanger:
8? :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :whoohoo!: :whoohoo!: :whoohoo!: :bow: :bow: :bow:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Hey, I've to send my MP-1 to MJMP to do the PIMP MY ADA dance... :banana-dance:
Don't you send too many units!!! :lol:
Yeah I think we will keep him busy for awhile for sure!
On a serious note though, yes 8 ADA MP-1s now - and none of them are reliable at this moment! :(
Even the one I call my Holy Grail is having issues now so until I have one that's functional all the time we will keep searching.
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Yeah I think we will keep him busy for awhile for sure!
On a serious note though, yes 8 ADA MP-1s now - and none of them are reliable at this moment! :(
Even the one I call my Holy Grail is having issues now so until I have one that's functional all the time we will keep searching.
NO!!! :nono: :facepalm: :dunno:
What's happening to Holy Grail???
And to the others???
Which issues? Did they start after a while?
That's a long, hard quest Bro.
I'm sorry for all this bad luck.
The one you sent to MJMP will be your next Holy Grail for sure.
My MP-1, at the moment, seems to have no issues...but I'm planning to send it to MJMP for some service and mods:
1) SS Mod (no extra gain)
2) MDRT mod
3) noise mod for MDRT
4) battery mod
5) pots change
6) trimpots check
Once it will be there, we'll see what's needed.
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Hey Max, while it's with MJMP, maybe get him to change out all the jacks as well as the pots (he has all but original input jack IIRC), and maybe tube sockets :dunno: , or go like Mike did, MJMP has new (stock circuit but with better components) tube boards. Then, along with your list, you've upgraded pretty much everything that can be. Mike bought all the jacks but hasn't put them all in yet.
So Mike's MP-1 is a V1 (with top switch (DjC!!)) which I bought new (and it's done a gazillion gigs >:D , never missed a beat, ever..), always lived in its rack.
Mike has installed:
New (improved component) stock tube board
MDRT
Noise Mod
Battery Mod
Rear Jack Mod (which replaces the front input jack also)
And he has all the other jacks ready for swap out (fortuitously they don't get much ware).
I.e how do you bring a MP-1 up to the best it can be so it will last another 25ish years
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1) SS Mod (no extra gain)
2) MDRT mod
3) noise mod for MDRT
4) battery mod
5) pots change
6) trimpots check
That's pretty much what I have done to mine. You are going to love it. :headbanger:
Just had a look at your rig pics. We have very similar setups, except that my tc is a g-major 2.
I hope yours ends up sounding as good as mine has.
DJC: it has been a rough ride for you. You have the foundation prepared. Once you have something that mjmp has taken a wire brush to, it should sound like new. You are nearly there. :banana-dance:
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Yeah I think we will keep him busy for awhile for sure!
On a serious note though, yes 8 ADA MP-1s now - and none of them are reliable at this moment! :(
Even the one I call my Holy Grail is having issues now so until I have one that's functional all the time we will keep searching.
NO!!! :nono: :facepalm: :dunno:
What's happening to Holy Grail???
And to the others???
Which issues? Did they start after a while?
That's a long, hard quest Bro.
I'm sorry for all this bad luck.
The one you sent to MJMP will be your next Holy Grail for sure.
My MP-1, at the moment, seems to have no issues...but I'm planning to send it to MJMP for some service and mods:
1) SS Mod (no extra gain)
2) MDRT mod
3) noise mod for MDRT
4) battery mod
5) pots change
6) trimpots check
Once it will be there, we'll see what's needed.
Yes I promise all of you this is no exaggeration - issues with all 8 units! However the last one looks, plays and sounds great however the chorus had died, which blows because I love the magic of the chorus but it's gone on this last one :(
But the others are all having issues. My Holy Grail unit a couple days ago out of nowhere started losing gain while playing and goes from a Bogner Uberschal type of gain and tone to a stock JCM 800 and it is really pissing me off!!!!! This was "THE" one and now it's funky and out of my rack.
I have one we got that the power switch and fuse holder were replaced but front and rear pots don't function and yet can cancel each other out if I move them around too much. Also the membrane switch is badly worn and it takes a lot of work to get the settings where I need them but once I do I like the tone! I will eventually need to send it MJMP though because like I said if I bump that front or rear pot it takes awhile to get things functioning properly again.
And the others all have issues ranging from dead channels ( sent to MJMP already ) to inputs that don't work and volumes that don't function along with dead choruses. Another one we call Rusty and the entire unit appears to have been submersed at some point due to the extreme rust however this unit sounds good! But I fear the amount of rust may cause an issue down the road.
So as I have mentioned in the past - not trying to be greedy and buy up all the MP-1s but I just need two that function properly and are reliable. :(
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1) SS Mod (no extra gain)
2) MDRT mod
3) noise mod for MDRT
4) battery mod
5) pots change
6) trimpots check
That's pretty much what I have done to mine. You are going to love it. :headbanger:
Just had a look at your rig pics. We have very similar setups, except that my tc is a g-major 2.
I hope yours ends up sounding as good as mine has.
DJC: it has been a rough ride for you. You have the foundation prepared. Once you have something that mjmp has taken a wire brush to, it should sound like new. You are nearly there. :banana-dance:
Are we creating a standard, Mike? :lol:
MP-1
GMaj
B200s
This evening I'm planning to discover how THE THING sounds...
:metal:
BTW, I think I'll follow rnolan suggestion and ask MJMP to swap jack connectors as well.
Then I'll be ok for the next 30 years. :lol:
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Yes I promise all of you this is no exaggeration - issues with all 8 units! However the last one looks, plays and sounds great however the chorus had died, which blows because I love the magic of the chorus but it's gone on this last one :(
But the others are all having issues. My Holy Grail unit a couple days ago out of nowhere started losing gain while playing and goes from a Bogner Uberschal type of gain and tone to a stock JCM 800 and it is really pissing me off!!!!! This was "THE" one and now it's funky and out of my rack.
Did you already attempted to swap tubes on the HG, mate?
So as I have mentioned in the past - not trying to be greedy and buy up all the MP-1s but I just need two that function properly and are reliable. :(
We know bro...
Sorry for all that bad luck...but do not loose faith and hope!
Ans let MJMP do the SS mod to the MP-1 you already sent him! :thumb-up:
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Hey Max, the standard is MP-1, Quadverb, B200s, Slant split stacks LoL (I suspect others may disagree), but, time for you young-ans to take over. The GMaj(2) is great but all digital, no analogue pass through :facepalm: but hey, I'm an analogue die hard (digital is fine just mixed in or, why not go down the profiler/clone route (dsp sucks your soul... sorry a bit harsh but has some truth to it)). Which is why you may need a line mixer with a stereo Fx send.. It (GMaj) does sound better mixed in in parallel BTW, Mike and I proved that to ourselves, but it's marginal and you loose the GMaj2 CC advantages (like stereo master vol control, mmm MP-2 has that built in, and they are newer mmm).
@DjC, man you are definitely trail blazing my friend. Some of your issues sound like they could be solved with a good contact cleaner (ie spray/clean the pots) but the chorus issue has come up a bit lately, first Richie_B here (in Melbourne IIRC) and now both Jasons unit and another you've sourced.
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Hey Max, the standard is MP-1, Quadverb, B200s, Slant split stacks LoL (I suspect others may disagree), but, time for you young-ans to take over. The GMaj(2) is great but all digital, no analogue pass through :facepalm: but hey, I'm an analogue die hard (digital is fine just mixed in or, why not go down the profiler/clone route (dsp sucks your soul... sorry a bit harsh but has some truth to it)). Which is why you may need a line mixer with a stereo Fx send.. It (GMaj) does sound better mixed in in parallel BTW, Mike and I proved that to ourselves, but it's marginal and you loose the GMaj2 CC advantages (like stereo master vol control, mmm MP-2 has that built in, and they are newer mmm).
@DjC, man you are definitely trail blazing my friend. Some of your issues sound like they could be solved with a good contact cleaner (ie spray/clean the pots) but the chorus issue has come up a bit lately, first Richie_B here (in Melbourne IIRC) and now both Jasons unit and another you've sourced.
Yeah luckily my issue with my number one MP-1 was only bad preamp tubes :banana: However since I had my Grail unit open I hit everything inside with contact cleaner. :D
But with these chorus issues I'm watching these threads carefully Richard. It seems that one day the chorus works then the next time you power on the unit it has stopped! Not like it works intermittently - just stops!! :amaze:
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Yeah luckily my issue with my number one MP-1 was only bad preamp tubes :banana:
:whoohoo!: :bow: :banana: :thumb-up:
AWESOME, BRO!
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Hey Max, the standard is MP-1, Quadverb, B200s, Slant split stacks LoL (I suspect others may disagree), but, time for you young-ans to take over.
I'm 45 y.o. :banana-rock:
I saw a Quadraverb GT on sale for 90 euros this evening in the shop where I bought cables for my rack...but I left it there...I've no more space... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Yeah luckily my issue with my number one MP-1 was only bad preamp tubes :banana:
:whoohoo!: :bow: :banana: :thumb-up:
AWESOME, BRO!
Yes Sir - I'm so relieved!!! :green-banana-smiley-emoticon:
Man I know this unit inside and out now thanks to MJMP and Richard and so many of you coaching me along!!!
This forum ROCKS!!!! :headbanger:
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Hey DjC, I'm so glad (and also relieved) that your HG unit turned out to be just tubes (IIRC that was MJMPs call as most likely at the time :thumb-up: :bow: ).
Don't forget to try some Mullard LPs on your journey, I (strongly) suspect you'll like them allot, they are the most articulate tubes I've come across.
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But with these chorus issues I'm watching these threads carefully Richard. It seems that one day the chorus works then the next time you power on the unit it has stopped! Not like it works intermittently - just stops!! :amaze:
When I was doing all of my mods, I noticed that the chorus had stopped working. I asked mjmp about it at the time and his advice was to mark the position of the chorus trimpot and then twist it back and forth a few times before returning to the original position. It is a contact issue and this worked for me. Can't remember which is the chorus trimpot. Maybe someone can help with that.
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Hey DjC, I'm so glad (and also relieved) that your HG unit turned out to be just tubes (IIRC that was MJMPs call as most likely at the time :thumb-up: :bow: ).
Don't forget to try some Mullard LPs on your journey, I (strongly) suspect you'll like them allot, they are the most articulate tubes I've come across.
Yes for sure Richard you've really got me thinking about those my friend! I have asked for a description from you on those in another thread :D
But with these chorus issues I'm watching these threads carefully Richard. It seems that one day the chorus works then the next time you power on the unit it has stopped! Not like it works intermittently - just stops!! :amaze:
When I was doing all of my mods, I noticed that the chorus had stopped working. I asked mjmp about it at the time and his advice was to mark the position of the chorus trimpot and then twist it back and forth a few times before returning to the original position. It is a contact issue and this worked for me. Can't remember which is the chorus trimpot. Maybe someone can help with that.
Hey thanks for that tip Mike - I have two units I'm going to try that out on!!! :thumb-up:
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Can't remember which is the chorus trimpot. Maybe someone can help with that.
Don't remember where I got this, but here's a pic for that.
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Hey just a side note, not to get too far off on this topic - but today I hit the chorus trim pot heavily with contact cleaner and turn it full counter and clock wise for about one full minute then let everything dry then fired it up........................nothing :(
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Did you set it back to the 11' o clock mark?
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Did you set it back to the 11' o clock mark?
No actually I set it at full counter clockwise to see if I could anything out of it - should I go ahead and set it at 11 MJMP?
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Yes else it won't work, usually most mp-1's are set around 11 'o clock. Turning it fully CW or CCW will turn the chorus off because it's not biased like it should and the chorus signal will disappear. You can see this very well on a scope.
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Yes else it won't work, usually most mp-1's are set around 11 'o clock. Turning it fully CW or CCW will turn the chorus off because it's not biased like it should and the chorus signal will disappear. You can see this very well on a scope.
OK awesome info MJMP!!!!!!!!! I'm going to try this tonight on Jason's original 1.38 and hopefully get some action out of it!! :D
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Hey DjC! Your rack is awesome. Also following your YouTube channel :thumb-up: .
(BTW I couldn't reply any topics 'cause of my exams.)
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Hey DjC! Your rack is awesome. Also following your YouTube channel :thumb-up: .
(BTW I couldn't reply any topics 'cause of my exams.)
Thank you so much for the kind words Orkun and the support my friend :banana:
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Wow, I'm gone for just a little while and new monster rigs just start growing out of the wood work!
Nice rig DJC, I hope you get the issues sorted out without too much hassle :thumb-up:
Harley 8)
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Wow, I'm gone for just a little while and new monster rigs just start growing out of the wood work!
Nice rig DJC, I hope you get the issues sorted out without too much hassle :thumb-up:
Harley 8)
Hey Harley - thanks Buddy!
Yeah we are still having several issues with all the MP-1s, but thank God for MJMP!!! :banana:
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Yeah we are still having several issues with all the MP-1s, but thank God for MJMP!!! :banana:
Agreed. We're really lucky that way, and I believe MJMP is largely responsible for holding this Forum together, Thank you MJMP :thumb-up:
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Yeah we are still having several issues with all the MP-1s, but thank God for MJMP!!! :banana:
Agreed. We're really lucky that way, and I believe MJMP is largely responsible for holding this Forum together, Thank you MJMP :thumb-up:
From what I seen on here - yes! MJMP is a huge asset for all of us. :banana:
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Yeah we are still having several issues with all the MP-1s, but thank God for MJMP!!! :banana:
Agreed. We're really lucky that way, and I believe MJMP is largely responsible for holding this Forum together, Thank you MJMP :thumb-up:
From what I seen on here - yes! MJMP is a huge asset for all of us. :banana:
Everyone here is! :thumb-up:
MJMP...rnolan...Dante...good guys!
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All the members here are holding the forum together and everybody does it's part ;)
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All the members here are holding the forum together and everybody does it's part ;)
+1 :thumb-up:
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All the members here are holding the forum together and everybody does it's part ;)
+1 :thumb-up:
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You're great people! :thumb-up:
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Well it certainly is a great forum and I consider myself extremely lucky to have gotten to know all of you :D
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Well it certainly is a great forum and I consider myself extremely lucky to have gotten to know all of you :D
+1 :thumb-up:
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Well it certainly is a great forum and I consider myself extremely lucky to have gotten to know all of you :D
Me too, Bro! Me too.
We started this MP-1 journey here together, more or less... :thumb-up:
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And next you guys need to try a MP-2 >:D , a very different beast... LoL
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We're glad you guys decided to join us here. It makes this great online community that much better :thumb-up:
Harley 8)
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And next you guys need to try a MP-2 >:D , a very different beast... LoL
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
You're the Devil... :lol:
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And next you guys need to try a MP-2 >:D , a very different beast... LoL
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
You're the Devil... :lol:
Well Richard I just may have to give the MP2 a shot - all of my other MP-1s are giving issues and I'm not having much fun. So maybe with a different design I'll have better luck :)
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And next you guys need to try a MP-2 >:D , a very different beast... LoL
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
You're the Devil... :lol:
Oh.....did we forget to warn you about him?!? I hate when that happens :lol:
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Harley, you say the nicest things :metal: LoL ;) >:D .
Hey DjC, here's one that SC sent the link to (https://spacecoast.craigslist.org/msg/6006447168.html) IMHO, a MP-2 in decent working order with the MXC pedal pack at $450 USD is a decent deal. Now with MP-2s there is no replacement transformer (like MDRT for MP-1/MB-1 which works with either 110v, 117v or 240v). So you need to be cognoscente of the units voltage. I'd be tempted to buy this one except it's US voltage (Florida), and I already have a couple of MP-2s :facepalm: .
Now you have 2 RUs spare, an MP-2 and a 1RU line mixer (with stereo Fx send/return), do a Y split of the guitar signal say after your tuner, or A/B A+B switch (so both MP-1/2 inputs fed), outs to line mixer, FX works on both, use patches to control each of them (on/off/both/clean/dirty etc), line mixer to poweramp :whoohoo!: .
Or you could go the MP-1 Classic which is a bit like a MP-1 :dunno: but with some of the added extras that came with MP-2, and are (if I understand correctly) the last/latest ADA midi preamps made.
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I'm already talking to that guy about the Classic >:D
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Hey Harley, cool :thumb-up: and it comes with a MXC pedal pack :whoohoo!: (which I quite like).
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Hey Harley, cool :thumb-up: and it comes with a MXC pedal pack :whoohoo!: (which I quite like).
Yeah, but that's overkill for the Classic Richard, a MPC would do nicely for that, but since I have two MP-2's the MXC won't go to waste :lol:
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And I didn't know that :dunno: LoL... (Add another quad switch to the fire, cook me up some bacon and some beans....) woops we are getting off topic (as seems our way :facepalm: ). Hey glad you got back online my friend :thumb-up: , missed you here....
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Harley, you say the nicest things :metal: LoL ;) >:D .
Hey DjC, here's one that SC sent the link to (https://spacecoast.craigslist.org/msg/6006447168.html) IMHO, a MP-2 in decent working order with the MXC pedal pack at $450 USD is a decent deal. Now with MP-2s there is no replacement transformer (like MDRT for MP-1/MB-1 which works with either 110v, 117v or 240v). So you need to be cognoscente of the units voltage. I'd be tempted to buy this one except it's US voltage (Florida), and I already have a couple of MP-2s :facepalm: .
Now you have 2 RUs spare, an MP-2 and a 1RU line mixer (with stereo Fx send/return), do a Y split of the guitar signal say after your tuner, or A/B A+B switch (so both MP-1/2 inputs fed), outs to line mixer, FX works on both, use patches to control each of them (on/off/both/clean/dirty etc), line mixer to poweramp :whoohoo!: .
Or you could go the MP-1 Classic which is a bit like a MP-1 :dunno: but with some of the added extras that came with MP-2, and are (if I understand correctly) the last/latest ADA midi preamps made.
OK good info Richard; I love the MP-1 ones but I need something reliable out of nine MP-1s Jason and I now have I wouldn't trust one of them to play live let alone take on the road. My last hope is that MJMP was able to do some magic and get the one we sent back in working order :-\
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OK good info Richard; I love the MP-1 ones but I need something reliable out of nine MP-1s Jason and I now have I wouldn't trust one of them to play live let alone take on the road. My last hope is that MJMP was able to do some magic and get the one we sent back in working order :-\
Damn the bad luck. I don't recall ever having problems with any of my MP-1s that kept me from gigging them. It was always dodgy patch cables, bum guitar cords, or bogus electrical outlets, etc. that caused me the most grief. But then again...these units weren't quite as old back then as they are now.
I have all the faith that MJMP will get all that sorted for you. :thumb-up:
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Hey Dan,
I agree with Kim, MJMP knows his stuff, and he has been around on the Forum forever, so he has been involved with everything that has gone on here, from simple repairs to the hottest mods.
Although I don't believe the age of these machines plays more than a small role with the issues you are experiencing. I believe it has more to do with the amount of abuse some people do to these preamps. As with any electronic gear, you have to use a reasonable amount of good sense when handling and hooking up these things.
Harley 8)
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Caps wear out, resistors go outta specs, pots get scratchy (and also wear out).
The new noise mod as well as some (expertly) addressed TLC goes a long way!
By using higher quality/better spec'd components (Caps, resistors) you can easily extend the lifespan of these units beyond...
Been there-done that....
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Hey Dan,
I agree with Kim, MJMP knows his stuff, and he has been around on the Forum forever, so he has been involved with everything that has gone on here, from simple repairs to the hottest mods.
Although I don't believe the age of these machines plays more than a small role with the issues you are experiencing. I believe it has more to do with the amount of abuse some people do to these preamps. As with any electronic gear, you have to use a reasonable amount of good sense when handling and hooking up these things.
Harley 8)
Well I used to build racks for people back in the late 80's so I know my way around with these things. These issues come right down to the age of these units for sure. Several of these have not been power up or used for over a decade and as mentioned earlier about caps and various issues is what seems to causing many of the problems. Add to that the dishonesty of the majority of the sellers claiming "they have had the unit since it was new" and me finding out after the sale that bought it last year and wasn't aware of the history.
Many of you as have mentioned have had and use your ADAs since you got them so there has not been a lot of down time and that's not the case with these units. I have faith in MJMP, he has one of units right now but I would have never thought I would has this many issues returning to my ADAs.
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Hey Dan,
I started building racks at the same time you did, and of course there will be component failure to some degree, I agree with that. A lot of my gear, I've owned since the late 80's, early 90's, and there hasn't been a lot to mention there. Now the stuff we buy from Evil-bay is a different issue altogether. If you basically take the view point that all sellers of used gear over the internet are liars, and you'll find out the truth when you get it in your hands, then there is no shock. You already know what to expect.
I'm talking about people who do stupid things to equipment like this. I'll give you an example. About 12-13 years ago, I was talking with a guy in Alabama who was selling a Quad, just like the one Kim has, it all sounded good until he told me he was running the output of another amp head into the front panel input! I walked away from it right there. I knew he overloaded the input circuit, and was having problems with it now, and that was why he was selling it. People don't sell things that are working for them. Just like a used car.
Harley 8)
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Hey Dan,
I started building racks at the same time you did, and of course there will be component failure to some degree, I agree with that. A lot of my gear, I've owned since the late 80's, early 90's, and there hasn't been a lot to mention there. Now the stuff we buy from Evil-bay is a different issue altogether. If you basically take the view point that all sellers of used gear over the internet are liars, and you'll find out the truth when you get it in your hands, then there is no shock. You already know what to expect.
I'm talking about people who do stupid things to equipment like this. I'll give you an example. About 12-13 years ago, I was talking with a guy in Alabama who was selling a Quad, just like the one Kim has, it all sounded good until he told me he was running the output of another amp head into the front panel input! I walked away from it right there. I knew he overloaded the input circuit, and was having problems with it now, and that was why he was selling it. People don't sell things that are working for them. Just like a used car.
Harley 8)
Wow that would cook that unit for sure :lol:
But I see your point Harley.
Yeah this has not been too much fun and I am now jealous of all of you that have proper working ADAs. My buddy Jason and I have officially stopped buying any more ADAs. My main unit I have called the Holy Grail is a complete mess ( see pic ) and is not useable. The gain even on 10 sounds like a Marshall JMP, kind of a mild overdrive and now in goes into this mod after a few minutes.
Anyway, I just realized that I have hijacked my own thread with all this repair related issues. Amazing how excited I was with my rack just a couple weeks back and now the only unit left without issues is the one I sent to Philippe. :-[
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This could be a power supply issue.
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And next you guys need to try a MP-2 >:D , a very different beast... LoL
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
You're the Devil... :lol:
Oh.....did we forget to warn you about him?!? I hate when that happens :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Yeah this has not been too much fun and I am now jealous of all of you that have proper working ADAs. My buddy Jason and I have officially stopped buying any more ADAs. My main unit I have called the Holy Grail is a complete mess ( see pic ) and is not useable. The gain even on 10 sounds like a Marshall JMP, kind of a mild overdrive and now in goes into this mod after a few minutes.
Anyway, I just realized that I have hijacked my own thread with all this repair related issues. Amazing how excited I was with my rack just a couple weeks back and now the only unit left without issues is the one I sent to Philippe. :-[
Hey Bro...I'm very sad for all this f**king bad luck you had so far...it looks like you're taking part to a "Bad Luck with ADA stuff Championship" :facepalm:
I was sure you fixed the Holy Grail gain issue with new tubes... :dunno:
But never loose faith!
You sent a MP-1 to Phil and it will return to you as new for sure.
Look...I share Harley's view point about many, many sellers...they're liars and/or complete assholes in many cases.
And there's a lot of messed up stuff sold at crazy prices around.
I've been lucky with my MP-1, ok...but, aside from sellers, old stuff wears out in any case...and I'm going to send my MP-1 to MJMP as well for some service, change of old parts and some mods (a new tube board, noise mod and a MDRT tranny).
If you find a good unit, it worth: Philippe 100% knows what's to be done and how to do it.
You sent him a MP-1 and you've a MP-1++ back! :metal:
Just wait for the MP-1 to come back to you...then you could plan to send your Holy Grail as well, if you cannot fix it.
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Yeah this has not been too much fun and I am now jealous of all of you that have proper working ADAs. My buddy Jason and I have officially stopped buying any more ADAs. My main unit I have called the Holy Grail is a complete mess ( see pic ) and is not useable. The gain even on 10 sounds like a Marshall JMP, kind of a mild overdrive and now in goes into this mod after a few minutes.
Anyway, I just realized that I have hijacked my own thread with all this repair related issues. Amazing how excited I was with my rack just a couple weeks back and now the only unit left without issues is the one I sent to Philippe. :-[
Hey Bro...I'm very sad for all this f**king bad luck you had so far...it looks like you're taking part to a "Bad Luck with ADA stuff Championship" :facepalm:
I was sure you fixed the Holy Grail gain issue with new tubes... :dunno:
But never loose faith!
You sent a MP-1 to Phil and it will return to you as new for sure.
Look...I share Harley's view point about many, many sellers...they're liars and/or complete assholes in many cases.
And there's a lot of messed up stuff sold at crazy prices around.
I've been lucky with my MP-1, ok...but, aside from sellers, old stuff wears out in any case...and I'm going to send my MP-1 to MJMP as well for some service, change of old parts and some mods (a new tube board, noise mod and a MDRT tranny).
If you find a good unit, it worth: Philippe 100% knows what's to be done and how to do it.
You sent him a MP-1 and you've a MP-1++ back! :metal:
Just wait for the MP-1 to come back to you...then you could plan to send your Holy Grail as well, if you cannot fix it.
Yeah I will send my Holy Grail as soon as MJMP tells me he is ready Iperfungus. The Holy Grail one started with arriving after Christmas Dead On Arrival and I did the battery mod on it. Then after a month it started losing gain and I went down the tube rabbit hole and thought it was fixed. Then a few days ago the gain dropped completely off and then it went into the full error mod so it will need MJMPs love and mojo to bring it back to life.
Of all the other units including the one MJMP has right now my Holy Grail unit is the ONLY one I really care about because I have NEVER heard an MP-1 like this one!!! :o All the other ones we have I just don't like their tone stacks plus dead choruses or knobs not functioning as well as bad jacks. But who knows, MJMP may be able to bring back some magic in each of those too! ;D
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But who knows, MJMP may be able to bring back some magic in each of those too! ;D
He will, I bet... :thumb-up:
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But who knows, MJMP may be able to bring back some magic in each of those too! ;D
He will, I bet... :thumb-up:
I'll do my best ;D
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As SC posted before, if you get a reasonably decent unit, if you change out and modernise all the bits you can (tubes, caps, pots, transformer (go MDRT >:D , opp amps), there's no reason why they wont work rock solid for another 15 years. This is the path Mike has taken with his MP1 and (while he has a few bits left to do (e.g. all the rear jacks), it's working fine and sounding good :whoohoo!: . On the up side DjC, when you get the unit back from MJMP, it will be good to go, and that should give you some relief from your frustration while you get the HG fixed.
Re HG unit, I agree with MJMP, could be power supply issue (which I may be having myself with my recently purchased 240 MP1, now he (the seller) told me it didn't work properly so no surprises there, the US MP1 he also sold me seems fine (as he said it was)). Try swapping in a transformer (known good one) from another unit, may do the trick :dunno: .
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I will ship an other transformer back with the mp-1 so Danny can try that out.
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As SC posted before, if you get a reasonably decent unit, if you change out and modernise all the bits you can (tubes, caps, pots, transformer (go MDRT >:D , opp amps), there's no reason why they wont work rock solid for another 15 years. This is the path Mike has taken with his MP1 and (while he has a few bits left to do (e.g. all the rear jacks), it's working fine and sounding good :whoohoo!: . On the up side DjC, when you get the unit back from MJMP, it will be good to go, and that should give you some relief from your frustration while you get the HG fixed.
Re HG unit, I agree with MJMP, could be power supply issue (which I may be having myself with my recently purchased 240 MP1, now he (the seller) told me it didn't work properly so no surprises there, the US MP1 he also sold me seems fine (as he said it was)). Try swapping in a transformer (known good one) from another unit, may do the trick :dunno: .
Yes I already feel a lot of relief just having MJMP here to help out with these issues - and Richard that is even more reassuring that like you said, I can get another 15 years out of it :banana:
And during this process I have become somewhat skilled at servicing these units, ie. did the battery mod, chorus repair on one ( the other one not ) and swapped out the trans so when MJMP send the new unit back with the working transformer I will be able to hopefully get another one working ;D
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Hey DjC, and don't forget you can put in a new improved MDRT transformer (well it's 2 transformers really). Now when Mike did this to his MP-1 I was a bit gobsmaked how much more open it sounded. Takes away the "boxyness" of the MP-1, but then that's not what everyone wants. IIRC MJMP also has some original MP-1 transformers :dunno: . I say this with the view to refresh everything you can, Mike bought a new "MJMP" stock tube board, new board, tube sockets and the best modern components (as he wanted it to sound the same (ie didn't want 3 TM) but get refreshed). Now MJMP can do a bunch of this for you while it/they are with him, but you need to ask for it. He does his best to keep the costs down. IMHO, if you can afford it (and lets face it, it's not sheep stations or boogie prices), then get everything done while it's opened up on his bench... and thus have a "refurbished" unit.
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Hey DjC, and don't forget you can put in a new improved MDRT transformer (well it's 2 transformers really). Now when Mike did this to his MP-1 I was a bit gobsmaked how much more open it sounded. Takes away the "boxyness" of the MP-1, but then that's not what everyone wants. IIRC MJMP also has some original MP-1 transformers :dunno: . I say this with the view to refresh everything you can, Mike bought a new "MJMP" stock tube board, new board, tube sockets and the best modern components (as he wanted it to sound the same (ie didn't want 3 TM) but get refreshed). Now MJMP can do a bunch of this for you while it/they are with him, but you need to ask for it. He does his best to keep the costs down. IMHO, if you can afford it (and lets face it, it's not sheep stations or boogie prices), then get everything done while it's opened up on his bench... and thus have a "refurbished" unit.
Is it possible that me and MikeB are relatives??? :lol: :lol: :lol:
I'm going to let MJMP do the same things he did to his one to my MP-1.
I'm in the same mood: no 3TM, original tube board layout, better/newer components and the MDRT.
I'm very curious about MDRT tranny...when you give the right voltage to tubes you can hear them ALIVE.
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Hey DjC, and don't forget you can put in a new improved MDRT transformer (well it's 2 transformers really). Now when Mike did this to his MP-1 I was a bit gobsmaked how much more open it sounded. Takes away the "boxyness" of the MP-1, but then that's not what everyone wants. IIRC MJMP also has some original MP-1 transformers :dunno: . I say this with the view to refresh everything you can, Mike bought a new "MJMP" stock tube board, new board, tube sockets and the best modern components (as he wanted it to sound the same (ie didn't want 3 TM) but get refreshed). Now MJMP can do a bunch of this for you while it/they are with him, but you need to ask for it. He does his best to keep the costs down. IMHO, if you can afford it (and lets face it, it's not sheep stations or boogie prices), then get everything done while it's opened up on his bench... and thus have a "refurbished" unit.
Well I certainly like the way you think Richard ;D such great ideas really :thumb-up:
Hmmmm - OK you just threw another log onto the fire Richard.........especially with the MJMP stock tube board!!
You should be MJMPs manager :banana:
But you are on to something here for sure - thank you Richard! :D
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Hey DjC, some say I think (and talk) too much :facepalm: LoL. But like many here I have a passion for ADA gear and, as it get older, we are faced with the "well what else is there :dunno: " question. This came home to me a while ago when I thought about it, if my MP-2 dies WTF can I get that even gets close to it :facepalm: . So I started acquiring MP-2s >:D , much like what you are doing with MP1s but apart from one screwed up purchase attempted with "Joe Perry" where I didn't get the goods :facepalm: , all the units I bought work (and all sound different even with the same tubes etc).
I don't think MJMP needs me to manage him LoL (or would want me to (he has a wife for that LoL)), but I have no problem highly recommending him and pointing people in his direction, I don't know of anyone else with his knowledge of ADA gear and also with a good range of modernised bits you can use to refurbish your unit. And all power to him (along with immeasurable thanks) for getting the MDRTs made at a price we can afford and a range of sub board PCBs etc.
The tube board came up when Mike was refurbishing his MP1, so you could remove and install new gold plated tube sockets (highly recommended by SC IIRC and makes sense, they do corrode/gather dust whatever). Or you can (as Mike discovered) get a brand new (stock circuit) tube board populated with the best (modern construction) components and not burn your fingers LoL from MJMP. I have a bunch of gold plated tube sockets sitting in the drawer to replace the ones in my MP2s. Not a trivial job in MP2 though (hence still in the drawer, but I'll get to it one day). Wait till you see inside a MP2, there's not an inch/mm of space left...
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Hey R, I'm touched ;D
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Hey DjC, some say I think (and talk) too much :facepalm: LoL. But like many here I have a passion for ADA gear and, as it get older, we are faced with the "well what else is there :dunno: " question. This came home to me a while ago when I thought about it, if my MP-2 dies WTF can I get that even gets close to it :facepalm: . So I started acquiring MP-2s >:D , much like what you are doing with MP1s but apart from one screwed up purchase attempted with "Joe Perry" where I didn't get the goods :facepalm: , all the units I bought work (and all sound different even with the same tubes etc).
I don't think MJMP needs me to manage him LoL (or would want me to (he has a wife for that LoL)), but I have no problem highly recommending him and pointing people in his direction, I don't know of anyone else with his knowledge of ADA gear and also with a good range of modernised bits you can use to refurbish your unit. And all power to him (along with immeasurable thanks) for getting the MDRTs made at a price we can afford and a range of sub board PCBs etc.
The tube board came up when Mike was refurbishing his MP1, so you could remove and install new gold plated tube sockets (highly recommended by SC IIRC and makes sense, they do corrode/gather dust whatever). Or you can (as Mike discovered) get a brand new (stock circuit) tube board populated with the best (modern construction) components and not burn your fingers LoL from MJMP. I have a bunch of gold plated tube sockets sitting in the drawer to replace the ones in my MP2s. Not a trivial job in MP2 though (hence still in the drawer, but I'll get to it one day). Wait till you see inside a MP2, there's not an inch/mm of space left...
Very interesting about the gold plated sockets - just curious how much a tube board with those already on it would cost??
And a key point you mentioned Richard - " (and all sound different even with the same tubes etc) " this is the thing that surprised me the most! Jason and I bought 9 MP-1s total ( one damaged in shipping so I never got to hear ) so 8 and they might as well have been different companies as far as the how radically different the tone stacks are in these units :o.
My wife and I were at breakfast the other day and she seems to recollect that I had between 20 and 25 MP-1s back in the early to mid 90s and I know for certain of all those only two ever sounded the same and I built my A and B racks around those two. So I'm still hoping to find a close sounding pair to do the same now. :D
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Hey DjC, the new tube board (IIRC) isn't particularly expensive ( I reiterate, get it done while MJMP has it :thumb-up: and at least try the MDRT in one of the units (preferably the one you put the new tube board in (IIRC there's also a resistor change required on the tube board for the MDRT install :dunno: )), The MDRT is a much better transformer (well really it's 2 transformers combined into the footprint). Actually, they way to go IMHO is to get MJMP to do all the MP1 Ultra+ mods without the 3TM (unless of course you want a serious 3TM gain monster >:D LoL).
I was also very surprised by the sound difference in the various units (MP2s). Of them all the US model I bought is the "sweetest", go figure :dunno: .
Hey MJMP, I know you are a humble soul but you deserve the kudos :wave:
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Hey DjC, the new tube board (IIRC) isn't particularly expensive ( I reiterate, get it done while MJMP has it :thumb-up: and at least try the MDRT in one of the units (preferably the one you put the new tube board in (IIRC there's also a resistor change required on the tube board for the MDRT install :dunno: )), The MDRT is a much better transformer (well really it's 2 transformers combined into the footprint). Actually, they way to go IMHO is to get MJMP to do all the MP1 Ultra+ mods without the 3TM (unless of course you want a serious 3TM gain monster >:D LoL).
I was also very surprised by the sound difference in the various units (MP2s). Of them all the US model I bought is the "sweetest", go figure :dunno: .
Hey MJMP, I know you are a humble soul but you deserve the kudos :wave:
Yeah I'm pretty excited about this actually Richard - the new boards seem to be the way go!!! :banana:
Now you mentioned Richard - "I was also very surprised by the sound difference in the various units (MP2s)" and I'm grateful you said this because just yesterday a friend of mine tried to tell me it was just "my ears" and they all sound alike ( he doesn't own one but just hears the distortion and thinks thats what makes them all sound the same because of the way I set my gains ) but I trust your opinion on this and I'm glad to hear you have found this to be true as well! :whoohoo!: So I bet you have your "Magic Holy Grail" MP2 that is your "go to" unit right?
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Is it possible that me and MikeB are relatives??? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Well, my grandfather was in Italy during the war. As he died there, any news of extra children died with him. So I guess it's possible. Are you tall and bald? :waving-banana-smiley-emoticon
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Hey DjC, my favourite is my original live MP-2, of the 3 others I bought over time, I like the US model (which was the last one I bought), just sounds so sweet (comparatively).
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Hey DjC, my favourite is my original live MP-2, of the 3 others I bought over time, I like the US model (which was the last one I bought), just sounds so sweet (comparatively).
Yeah this really is like the old Marshalls or any piece of gear really. When it speaks to you it become your own sound and it becomes the basis for comparison for every other unit. :D
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Well all the tubes came in and I gave them the run through;
I tried a set of the Electro-Harmonix 12AX7, brand new ( they were sent free because of bad tubes purchased previously ) not bad, something missing not quite sure what but I felt they were a little buzzy.
Then Mullard 12AX7 Re-issue.... cool tube but the bottom end got real big and seemed to round out the top end slightly, maybe because of how much fuller the bottom end was but going into the Mesa that thing does NOT need more bottom end!!!
Then I test drove the TAD 12AX7-C RT001 - MY FAVORITE!!! They sounded just like the original set my Holy Grail came with so I will say to all those that mentioned these TADs for a exact replica of the original tubes for the MP-1s are spot on! :banana:
And now the sad part - my HG dropped gain and got a muddy bottom end - again, after about 20 minutes playing. :crazy:
This thing has to go to Belgium and maybe get dropped into the ocean on the way. >:(
MJMP I will need your magic on this - I can do no more with it my friend. :(
So I'm still using my "other" preamp :-[
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See, exactly what I told you about the TAD 12AX7A-C :thumb-up:
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See, exactly what I told you about the TAD 12AX7A-C :thumb-up:
OK that was you who talked about those - they are great!
Now only if I had an MP-1 that worked so that I could enjoy the sound of those tubes :facepalm:
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Is it possible that me and MikeB are relatives??? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Well, my grandfather was in Italy during the war. As he died there, any news of extra children died with him. So I guess it's possible. Are you tall and bald? :waving-banana-smiley-emoticon
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Just tall....and bearded... :banana-skipping-rope-smiley-e
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See, exactly what I told you about the TAD 12AX7A-C :thumb-up:
...and that tube will come here as well! :lol:
with some others... :facepalm:
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Well all the tubes came in and I gave them the run through;
I tried a set of the Electro-Harmonix 12AX7, brand new ( they were sent free because of bad tubes purchased previously ) not bad, something missing not quite sure what but I felt they were a little buzzy.
Probably the one in V2 is making your tone "buzzy"...maybe these are tubes ok for V1 only.
Is like having a good tone with too much bass freqs, isn't it?
Then Mullard 12AX7 Re-issue.... cool tube but the bottom end got real big and seemed to round out the top end slightly, maybe because of how much fuller the bottom end was but going into the Mesa that thing does NOT need more bottom end!!!
Were they Long Plates or Short Plates, bro?
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And now the sad part - my HG dropped gain and got a muddy bottom end - again, after about 20 minutes playing. :crazy:
This thing has to go to Belgium and maybe get dropped into the ocean on the way. >:(
MJMP I will need your magic on this - I can do no more with it my friend. :(
So I'm still using my "other" preamp :-[
after 20mins = after really warming up....could be a cap or resistor going out of value after getting heat.
Might be a long shot but maybe try giving the front panel pot some DeOxit.... MJMP will surely chime in on this
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And now the sad part - my HG dropped gain and got a muddy bottom end - again, after about 20 minutes playing. :crazy:
This thing has to go to Belgium and maybe get dropped into the ocean on the way. >:(
MJMP I will need your magic on this - I can do no more with it my friend. :(
So I'm still using my "other" preamp :-[
after 20mins = after really warming up....could be a cap or resistor going out of value after getting heat.
Might be a long shot but maybe try giving the front panel pot some DeOxit.... MJMP will surely chime in on this
Yeah I'm done with it and just want to send it to MJMP because it will be easier for him to diagnose and fix what's wrong rather than me spending more time and money fixing things aren't the problem. In this instance my original red letter tubes and all the other ones from other MP-1s we bought I guess now were not the problem.
Now as for the tubes, The Mullards I got were long plate as Richard suggested and I will say this - I am definitely keeping the Mullards because in a solid state amp like the B200 or any other these tubes would add warmth and depth to the amp. It's just with the Mesa it's adding too much in the wrong areas.
So when I build my second rack - if I get not only one proper running unit let alone two :???: I can build my second rack and get to hear what the Mullards can do! :thumb-up:
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Deoxit won't help here.But you could be on the correct path when saying it's a cap.
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Deoxit won't help here.But you could be on the correct path when saying it's a cap.
Well I have faith in you MJMP; I'm very busy right now but I have it already boxed up already and in a few days I'm going to ship it to you. :)
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OK now for an update on the first unit back from MJMP.......................................... :(
He worked his magic and put his love and expertise into our MP-1 only to have the morons through USPS trash the unit!! >:D
I haven't gotten to see it yet but my Buddy Jason says the unit sounds like a stock Fender amp. I will have to take it apart myself and have MJMP guide through it but guys, this has gotten very old with the horrible luck we are having with ADAs. :facepalm:
I told MJMP earlier today I'm not even mad or sad anymore and have grown quite numb to all this and I am thoroughly enjoying my other preamp.
Seriously Folks - can any of you on this forum say you have bought or had 9 ADA MP-1s and not a one of them works??? :???:
We are now into to these units a few thousand dollars and I feel I'm probably moving into another direction. None of this is anyone's fault - just crazy unexplainable bad luck :crazy:
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OK now for an update on the first unit back from MJMP.......................................... :(
He worked his magic and put his love and expertise into our MP-1 only to have the morons through USPS trash the unit!! >:D
I haven't gotten to see it yet but my Buddy Jason says the unit sounds like a stock Fender amp. I will have to take it apart myself and have MJMP guide through it but guys, this has gotten very old with the horrible luck we are having with ADAs. :facepalm:
I told MJMP earlier today I'm not even mad or sad anymore and have grown quite numb to all this and I am thoroughly enjoying my other preamp.
Seriously Folks - can any of you on this forum say you have bought or had 9 ADA MP-1s and not a one of them works??? :???:
We are now into to these units a few thousand dollars and I feel I'm probably moving into another direction. None of this is anyone's fault - just crazy unexplainable bad luck :crazy:
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WTF??? :facepalm:
What do you mean when you say "He worked his magic and put his love and expertise into our MP-1 only to have the morons through USPS trash the unit!!"???
Damaged during shipment??? :???:
That's unbelievable.
I never bought 8-9 MP-1s, but the only one I currently own had no all this bad luck. :dunno:
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Man this is so insane.Maybe one of the tubes got damaged, have you tried other tubes?
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I hope it was insured.
That really bites the big one :crazy: