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Title: That's It, I'm Done.
Post by: Kim on August 19, 2016, 03:52:17 PM
I'm having a bonfire in my back yard tonight, and all my guitars will be going in it. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6rBK0BqL2w
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Post by: Harley Hexxe on August 19, 2016, 04:12:18 PM
Yep! She's ripping it up. I've seen a few of her videos on the tube.

   It's nice to see that the newer generation still has a few kids interested in playing actual music instead of just making the guitar sound like an angry hornets nest.

    Harley 8)
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Post by: PrimalScream91 on August 19, 2016, 07:57:42 PM
Yep! She's ripping it up. I've seen a few of her videos on the tube.

   It's nice to see that the newer generation still has a few kids interested in playing actual music instead of just making the guitar sound like an angry hornets nest.

    Harley 8)

Agreed, when I was in High School and I'd talk to people about my favorite guitarists, at least half of them would turn their nose up because "if they're not on the list of 50 fastest guitar players, they're not worth listening to."

Sorry mate, but I'll take Lindsey Buckingham over Synyster Gates any day.
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Post by: vansinn on August 19, 2016, 11:56:47 PM
Indeed, she's very very good. Didn't know of her, but 5 secs into the video, I said she's been trained from 5-6-7 years old in classic guitar, and quite so, I just discovered.

Now, no need for the bonfire ;)  I've seen several amazing young talents, and while they can play insanely fast with insane precision, most of them lack the intimacy and feelings repertoire - which is not meant in any negative way, as this is simply is a matter of the life experience they cannot possess at this age.

I'm not a specific fan of Zakk Wylde, but I do agree with what he said in an interview: "Whatever you do, man, you gotta have the blues with you, man" - which arguably may not be the emotion set most suitable for translating Ludvig van to electric guitar ;)  just sayin'..
And of course, to really learn guitar, learn to play slow. Listen to Jeff Beck.

What I mean with this is that while I do find such playing absolutely amazing, it easily starts getting boring, just like speed metal with endless cascades of sweeps and arpeggios.

This specific lovely young girl does express some of the above mentioned qualities. It's a fast-paced piece, and as such allows only brief moments for such, but I see her abilities on the finger/wrist vibratos. Very neat playing, indeed.

Another of my favorite girls is Sarah Longfield (AKA SaraShreds). Might be worth looking up her videos and dig "Building the Church" ;)
And Sarah compose quite a lot herself. I believe she decided to go the music academy way (she asked for advice on this over at sevenstring.org a couple years ago).
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Post by: Dante on August 20, 2016, 08:17:51 AM
My nephew is going to be a much better guitarist than me very soon. He's my sister's son and I couldn't be happier or more proud.

He began formal training on violin at age 5, cello by 7, guitar by 9. He's 17 now, and is always pulling out something fantastic for me to learn when I see him at my parents' house (his grandparents). I always bring a guitar when I know he'll be there. Last time, we each brought our acoustics and he taught me "Wonderwall" by Oasis and I taught him "Never Tear Us Apart" by INXS. Any song is fair game, any genre, the kid's good. Country, Jazz, and yes, METAL. (you gotta hear the kid playing Satch Boogie - whoa  :o)

For high school graduation, he played "Take 5" (Dave Brubeck) in his Jazz ensemble and did an acoustic accompaniment for Green Day's "Best Time Of Your Life" with some girl from his school. During Take 5, he played a Schecter C-1 E/A that I gave him for Christmas a few years back. He likes using that guitar for Jazz, once again, I couldn't be more proud.

Now, I'm wondering which guitar to give him next ;)
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Post by: MarshallJMP on August 20, 2016, 09:34:04 AM
Here's another version from a guy that did this a few years ago, his version is slightly better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZuSaudKc68
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Post by: rabidgerry on September 05, 2016, 02:38:37 AM
I agree with Vansin on this to some extent.

Who cares about these videos?  The internet is full of lots and lots of these insanely good Proficient  players doing things like this.  And you know I admire the skill and the talent it took to learn the music and play it so well.

But ultimately for me (now this is just my opinion) these videos are the most boring things I have ever had the misfortune of having to sit through.  The novelty wears off after about 1.30seconds.

The one with the girl must be doing the rounds as my friend and fellow band member sent it to me and said "wow check this out".

I replied saying "I've seen people doing similar things and this is just another one of those videos and for me it's boring now".  She probably was trained from day one by who ever it was in her family who could afford to send her to lessons and good for her.  Not everyone gets those opportunities though and has all the time in the world to dedicate themselves to that one thing.  So I'm not really impressed.

Do not burn your f**king guitars, because in YOUR own right.................you are as good as her.

Also I bet she has never written a meaningful piece of music and or lyric in her life.  Bet she has never carried a 4 x 12" up two flights of stairs either and then had to play a show right after and had no sound check  :thumb-up:

Sorry if I am coming across negative guys, all power to her.

Would be good if she cracked a smile once in a while eh  :lol:
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Post by: vansinn on September 05, 2016, 05:33:40 AM
I shall clarify my thoughts..

I most certainly care about those too-fast videos; mastering such speed with precision is highly desirable, and I most certainly hope to get time to rehearse such stuff later.
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It's when it's being used through a whole play - and maybe becoming a trademark of that player - it starts getting tiresome.
Same with sweeps and arpeggios; lovely and elegant at times, but I get tired of watching Malmsteen diong it like endless orgasms (which otherwise I do not mind, hehe)
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Post by: rabidgerry on September 05, 2016, 06:12:37 AM
I got tired of these kind of videos about 5 years ago.

I never get tired of some of Yngwies Malmsteens finest albums.  The 1st four of Rising Force's records are f**king immense.  And if he never wrote another good tune ever again, at least he's made those 4 albums..........which gets a little more kudos from me compared to an accurate and perfectly transcribed guitar version of some other composers music.

Thankfully Malmsteen has wrote other good albums since  :)
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Post by: Kim on September 05, 2016, 07:55:40 AM
Agreed; most of these vids ARE somewhat boring.  But, I am very happy that boys and girls at an early age are taking the time to learn and practice a musical instrument even if it isn't quite to that kind of degree. 

Nobody just wakes up one morning with this virtuoso-like ability to play this kind of music on a guitar.  This takes a serious amount of time, patience, dedication, and therefore some sacrifice....not much time to spend Ducklipping, Snapchatting, Instagramming, Facebooking, Pokemoning, Xboxing, and otherwise sitting around and walking around with their eyes glued to a handheld screen.


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Post by: rabidgerry on September 05, 2016, 01:07:48 PM
yeah totally man that was a good comment.

However you're a great guitar player yourself so you definitely hold your head up high man if you ever walk into the same room as that chick.

Also sometimes I like a player who has learnt all by themselves, and by ear.  Like George Lynch, Jeff Beck, Clapton and many more including ME :lol:  Doing things by the book all the time can lead to limitations, well this is my view anyways.
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Post by: MikeB on September 05, 2016, 01:47:12 PM
Hey Gerry, I think you nailed when you said you wouldn't mind seeing her smile once in a while. That's what kind of spoiled it for me. Amazing playing but totally joyless. I think I'd rather watch EVH going ballistic with a huge grin on his face. I'd like to think that if I could play like that that I could get some pleasure out of it.
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Post by: Harley Hexxe on September 05, 2016, 04:44:37 PM
    All good comments here, but I think Kim comes closest to the heart of the matter with his last post about the girl taking the time to learn the instrument instead of becoming another intellectual casualty of todays technology.
    It's good to see that there are still some kids who do take the time to learn how to play an instrument instead of becoming absorbed with the psudo-synthesized syncopated rhythm loops, and electronica enhanced tracks, all of which are over-dubbed with tasteless rap lyrics. This kind of music industry sewage seems to be what is passing for music these days. Maybe one day, these technically-proficient players will actually ask themselves the question: What can I do with my skills on the guitar besides ripping through scales and modes as fast as I can?
    At that point, it's possible that one of them may actually write a new and fresh composition that incorporates some fantastic playing in a catchy melody that will stand the test of time.
   One can only hope :thumb-up:

     Harley 8)
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Post by: rabidgerry on September 06, 2016, 02:32:16 AM
Have to respectfully disagree with ya Harley  :thumb-up:

I tip my hat to here outstanding effort and skill and all that, and I have already given credit for that throughout my posts but I'm not giving her credit for being that dedicated to something in this day and age because it's perhaps more difficult what with all the distractions of the modern world, that's a bullshit accolade.   

There are so many kids putting the time in doing this kind of thing.

But that's why it's boring now, it's just another youtube internet whizz on guitar.

It's very hard to stand out these days with anything, we are over exposed to everything because of the internet.  That's just the way it is.  We'll probably never have the heroes or ground breaking players that we used to have as everything has become diluted thanks to the internet.
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Post by: MarshallJMP on September 06, 2016, 03:29:26 AM
+1 Harley,Kim and RG.
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Post by: Harley Hexxe on September 06, 2016, 04:58:04 AM
That's OK Gerry,

    You make a good point about it being boring because of Youtube, and how it's widely available. I agree it IS boring to watch a young guitar player go through Beethoven, Bach and Mozart, and who ever else they are copying in a solo situation like the videos above. Bear in mind though, we might soon see a few bands on Youtube, doing these compositions with a modern twist to it, just because doing it solo IS boring!(Why do you think that girl never cracked a smile?) If that happens, then those kids doing that, are one step closer to coming up with something of their own in that genre. I'm not saying it will happen, but it seems like a logical step.
   The bottom line is that I like it that there are still kids out there who are actually interested in learning to play instead if cutting and pasting loops together and calling it music. ;)
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Post by: MikeB on September 06, 2016, 01:52:07 PM
Just watching a short video clip can't tell you what is going on behind the scenes. One thought I had was the scenario of a kid being forced to take guitar lessons in the same way as kids are forced to take piano lessons (just more modern parents). Some of them get really good while still wishing they could go out and play pokemon go with their friends down at the mall. The kid reaches the rebellious age and gives it up never to play again. Fast forward 20 years... At a dinner party, the host has an electric guitar and amp in the corner. People start to talk about it and our grown up kid says "my parents made me take electric guitar for 15 your years". A bit of prodding and encouragement... I don't know.... I haven't played in years..... I'm a bit rusty.... Gets up and plays eruption.
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Post by: vansinn on September 06, 2016, 10:17:13 PM
I really don't think any of these whizz kids in those videos got forced into electric guitar lessons.
If anything, maybe piano and/or classic guitar - then, after a long period of this, they picked up the electric in rebellion!
Mozart, the [über talented] play-child, would've picked up any fancy electronics too, had he lived today..  ;)
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Post by: rabidgerry on September 07, 2016, 07:10:00 AM
That's OK Gerry,

    You make a good point about it being boring because of Youtube, and how it's widely available. I agree it IS boring to watch a young guitar player go through Beethoven, Bach and Mozart, and who ever else they are copying in a solo situation like the videos above. Bear in mind though, we might soon see a few bands on Youtube, doing these compositions with a modern twist to it, just because doing it solo IS boring!(Why do you think that girl never cracked a smile?) If that happens, then those kids doing that, are one step closer to coming up with something of their own in that genre. I'm not saying it will happen, but it seems like a logical step.
   The bottom line is that I like it that there are still kids out there who are actually interested in learning to play instead if cutting and pasting loops together and calling it music. ;)

Well yes it would be great for the next piece of great music was written by one of these whizz kids.

I suppose it is good kids are still doing that man.

Just watching a short video clip can't tell you what is going on behind the scenes. One thought I had was the scenario of a kid being forced to take guitar lessons in the same way as kids are forced to take piano lessons (just more modern parents). Some of them get really good while still wishing they could go out and play pokemon go with their friends down at the mall. The kid reaches the rebellious age and gives it up never to play again. Fast forward 20 years... At a dinner party, the host has an electric guitar and amp in the corner. People start to talk about it and our grown up kid says "my parents made me take electric guitar for 15 your years". A bit of prodding and encouragement... I don't know.... I haven't played in years..... I'm a bit rusty.... Gets up and plays eruption.

I know for a fact this happens.  You have the younger generations of parents who grew up in the 80's probably my own generation in fact, or 90's and it's cool to still wear their jack dainelks tshirt and show all the other mum and dads they're still "rock" and they are the kind who will send their kids to guitar lessons to learn Nirvana (that's a dirty word to me) and who nows what other garbage.  Well we haven't got to the point yet as these kids are still too young but I dare say when they're in the early 20's they'll be saying:

"yeah my mum and dad were rockers........................god I hate that music...................they forced me to take guitar lessons..........................I hated it, I just went as they promised me a playstation"


100%  that is happening

Which is why any of these rock parents who take their little toddler kids 2-4 years old to festivals to suffer ear damage at the hands of rock bands are better off letting their kids decide when they are old enough to do so, what they like themselves.


When I played the Bloodstock open air a few weeks back there were a tonne of crying babies, kept up to late hours, and having to deal with loud music and sound from all angles for long periods of time.  Now I'm no parent but I sure as hell would not force my kid into that situation just because I wanted to go say bands at a festival.  Sometimes having a kid means sacrifices.


Hopefully don't get back lashing for my comments here  :D
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Post by: Harley Hexxe on September 07, 2016, 04:28:10 PM
Hey Gerry,

    I agree with you, that probably does happen. and kids do hate being forced to take lessons for something they didn't think of themselves. I also agree that it isn't a good idea to take toddlers to rock festivals, because usually, it's not very well thought out when parents do this. History repeats itself. Case in point; Woodstock 1969. There were a lot of babies there too. After which, came the Disco era of music, and shortly after that started, came the Punk Generation. So you had the Disco crowd on one side, and the Punks on the other, and while that was going on, the underground movement that was cultivating from both of those was what would become known as New Wave. While those two genres of music were popular in the 70's, the Hard Rockers were still in the background, grinding out mediocre melodies, while the babies who were at Woodstock were finishing school, and becoming what we called "Yuppies." Many of these were attending Bereklee School of Music, and The Los Angeles City College of Music, which would become the Guitar Institute of Technology, (G.I.T.), and later Musician's Institute of Technology, (M.I.T.), now located in Hollyweird.
    I don't have to tell you what came out of that group of graduates, because everyone knows what went on in the 80's.  I do believe things progress in cycles, as history has shown us, and if you compare that period with what's going on today, I can't help but notice a strong similarity with the popularity of guitar-based music. It's not in the main stream now, but who knows what will happen in a few years?

    Harley 8)
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Post by: rabidgerry on September 08, 2016, 01:10:49 AM
Spot on Harley

I'm sure I'm sounding like a ranting son of a bitch but honestly kids at rock festivals, as much as I see the cool novel side of making your own little mini rocker, I say no to the idea.  I saw first hand kids being wheeled about really late for their ages, tired, upset, wearing god dam huge ear protectors that their trying to pull of their head as they don't like them on, surrounded by cigerette smoke and beer and dope.  It didn't look like a good idea to me.  May be I'm being old fashioned or something but if I had kids I wouldn't drag mythem to a festival of something they don't undertsand or into an enviroment not really suited to their needs.

Anyways back to the video, yeah so she can play, :lol: perhaps needs lesson on smiling  ;D if she manages that she could become the complete person
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Post by: Harley Hexxe on September 08, 2016, 05:01:11 AM
   I completely agree with you on all points stated above! Let the kids migrate towards music at their own pace, because it's something they want to do!

   As for the girl in the video, I guess we'll see if she ever does anything with her gift in the future :dunno:

      Harley 8)
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Post by: MikeB on September 17, 2016, 01:29:58 AM
Now compare with this:
https://youtu.be/ijNLCphRUEk (https://youtu.be/ijNLCphRUEk)
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Post by: Harley Hexxe on September 17, 2016, 05:02:15 AM
That was funny as hell :lol:
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Post by: MarshallJMP on September 17, 2016, 11:14:25 AM
Actually, that was GREAT!!  :thumb-up:
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Post by: rabidgerry on September 30, 2016, 11:36:54 AM
That was outstanding actually.  Poor guy though I bet he doesn't really make that much cash.  Yet so creative.  I'd really love to try out his tennis racket.  It looked as though the frets were actually just cable ties pulled very tightly around the handle.  Excellent!
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Post by: rnolan on September 30, 2016, 10:59:55 PM
Actually, that was GREAT!!  :thumb-up:
+1  :thumb-up: