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Re: Anyone here boost their ADA MP1?
« Reply #15 on: Time Format »

i prob just like high gain sounding stuff. just wondering, since i have 2 mp1's, is there a way where i can hook up my 2nd mp1 to the 1st to use as a boost?
There's a post elsewhere here about this idea, it can work and in that thread I talked about how best to do it gain wise (but depended partly on having early model MP1 with inst/line switch on top of MP1), consensus was, while it's possible, it would be very noisy. I have some ideas that may get you more what your after, check your PM, we need to have a gain structure conversation.
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Re: Anyone here boost their ADA MP1?
« Reply #16 on: Time Format »

i prob just like high gain sounding stuff. just wondering, since i have 2 mp1's, is there a way where i can hook up my 2nd mp1 to the 1st to use as a boost?
There's a post elsewhere here about this idea, it can work and in that thread I talked about how best to do it gain wise (but depended partly on having early model MP1 with inst/line switch on top of MP1), consensus was, while it's possible, it would be very noisy. I have some ideas that may get you more what your after, check your PM, we need to have a gain structure conversation.
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got your pm, thanks for taking the time to help me out

both of my mp1's are the early with the inst/line switch on top. so maybe im in luck. I was wondering whats the best way to hook these 2 units up.
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Re: Anyone here boost their ADA MP1?
« Reply #17 on: Time Format »

Hey Chamai, the inst/line level is about the gain structure.  if for e.g. you want to run an MP1 into > MP1 then you'd set the 1st MP1 to Inst level Output level (or you'll grossly overload the 2nd MP1 input (which is expecting guitar level (Instm/millivolts))). Have a search for other posts on this idea and also putting 1st MP1 in 2nd MP1 loop
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Re: Anyone here boost their ADA MP1?
« Reply #18 on: Time Format »

Boss Vintage Overdrive OD-1 set at 0 and level at 50 brings a massive chunk into the sound if it is sounding a little to "open" on your mp1.  Compressor can help too.
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Re: Anyone here boost their ADA MP1?
« Reply #19 on: Time Format »

I've found an Ibby tube screamer to be indispensable for hi-gain tones. Tightens the tone up in a much more pleasing fashion than does the Boss SD-1, at least to my ears it does.
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Re: Anyone here boost their ADA MP1?
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i still haven't really figured out how to bridge 2 mp1's together to make it sound good. so i prob just give up on that idea.

seems like quite a few here use some sort of boost in the front here. after playing around with the mp1 more, its got a lot of gain. but imo, the mp1 lacks a little bit of depth and tightness. just picked up a bad monkey od pedal, my new fav pedal. it doesn't mess with the tone of the ada and it gives the push i need.
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« Reply #21 on: Time Format »

No lack of gain on the MP-1, but it can sound a little too loose tone-wise when going into hi-gain territory. I'm using a TS9 atm, but think I'll splurge on a Maxon 808.
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« Reply #22 on: Time Format »

I am running a Boss CS3 compressor in front. I use it for a lead boost, it can be a bit noisy on certain patches so I run a Boss NS2 in front of it with the compressor in the NS2's loop. Works great! I was thinking of running my Boss GE7 either in front or in the MP-1's FX loop.
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Re: Anyone here boost their ADA MP1?
« Reply #23 on: Time Format »

a buddy of mine had a pair of old rocktron s112 cabsfrom the 90's (before they put vintage 30's in) these speakers work so well with the ada. i heard these speakers were meant for modelling so they sound quite flat. the celestions i was rocking sounded very muddy. but damn, these rocktron cabs made everything so crisp and clear. i have to say, speakers really play a huge part in the overall tone. i was messing with eq and all that stuff for months but couldn't get a good sound, now i am 100% happy.

also i took a gamble with a mxr micro amp, man, this thing really helped with the overall sound. it gave the distortion a little more hair. i set this thing at 9-10 o clock depending on guitar. most useful pedal i have right now.
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Re: Anyone here boost their ADA MP1?
« Reply #24 on: Time Format »

Hey Chamai, all the bits count, and speakers (as you say) are very important, it's really all a balance to get the tone you want. So your new speakers are cooking for you  :thumb-up: :whoohoo!:
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Hey Chamai, all the bits count, and speakers (as you say) are very important, it's really all a balance to get the tone you want. So your new speakers are cooking for you  :thumb-up: :whoohoo!:

for sure, i seriously never though these small rockron 1x12 can get the sound i was looking for. i was ready to buy a pair of marshall stacks. thank god my friend likes to buy random useless gear that ends up at my house.

i am ready to upgrade my fx processor to better. i am really looking for something that has an amazing analog chorus. i really don't care about other effects like reverb or delay, since i have a dedicated unit for that. stuff on ebay is expensive and way overpriced.

i do have a tc g major but that thing is hooked up to my jcm 900. and it sounds a little too modern. but sound quality wise, my gsp 21 is a joke compared to that thing.

p.s just bought a rivera rock crusher. it's sure tough trying to build 2 guitar rigs at the same time.
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« Reply #26 on: Time Format »

Rock crusher looks useful. I have one of the first of this idea, Tom Shultz power soak, I use it with my '72 Marshall 50w which doesn't have master vol (so I can get a decent sound and still be in the same room LOL). MP1 changed all that... :whoohoo!: .
There's a few posts re analogue chorus options, IIRC the early TCs ?? (like Edge U2 uses) got a good mention. Is the ADA chorus not enough ? or is this for you Marshall rig ?
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Re: Anyone here boost their ADA MP1?
« Reply #27 on: Time Format »

Rock crusher looks useful. I have one of the first of this idea, Tom Shultz power soak, I use it with my '72 Marshall 50w which doesn't have master vol (so I can get a decent sound and still be in the same room LOL). MP1 changed all that... :whoohoo!: .
There's a few posts re analogue chorus options, IIRC the early TCs ?? (like Edge U2 uses) got a good mention. Is the ADA chorus not enough ? or is this for you Marshall rig ?
there is something about that crank marshall tone that nothing can replicate. i really love my jcm 900, but it sound like complete crap at low volumes. i cranked it to 4 once and it was unbearable. i find that old school marshalls are not very forgiving at low volumes. i have 2 good buds who just bought themselves a DSL40 combo and it sounds half decent even bed room levels. not great, but it's usable.

the ada chorus is not enough. a S.S patch with chorus is not bad, but when i use distortion with the ada chorus, it doesn't work for me. sorry ada users! i can't fine tune the tone of the chorus and it changes the characteristics of the distortion. all my patches are somewhat similar to a hot rod marhshall tone. but once i kick in the chorus on the ada, i kinda lose that marshall tone. i only use a touch of chorus to smooth out my tone a little. just think "def leppard hysteria" type of sound,

i would love to get my hands on a TC 1210, but damn that thing is pricey.

just wondering, do have any experience running effects through a mixer? i see some pictures where people run all their effects into a rack mixer instead of running it in the loop of the pre amp (ada) i believe this gives the player even more room to fine tune their sound. if its not too much trouble, please explain how this works. lots of guys from the 80's actually have a mixer in their rack.

when i bought my first mp1 a few months back, i was pretty happy with just the mp1 running into a speaker cab, my setup keeps growing and i am constantly searching for gear.
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Re: Anyone here boost their ADA MP1?
« Reply #28 on: Time Format »

I use the Alesis multimix8 line rack mixer, it gives you 8 channels and a beautiful stereo fx loop. As far as the chorus goes I also want that Def Leppard wet chorusy sound the best chorus I have found so far is an Alesis Quadraverb. Best chorus I ever heard.
Marshall Dsl40c, I have one of those. I was never happy with it at any volume. The C19 mod did help it some but the Jmp1 runs circles around it at any volume.
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« Reply #29 on: Time Format »

Hey Chamai, quite a few rants from me about this in various posts. I've always used a mixer in much the same way I'd set up a live mix with a PA. It does give you more control and also lets you keep the ADA analogue signal all the way to the cabs. The Alesis that Soloist is using (relatively new offering) is a perfect choice though only has one stereo send return, so good for one stereo effect (or you can chain effects within the loop). But it is 1RU rack mount so nice and tidy.
I have an old Yamaha AM802, 8 inputs and 3 (mono) FX/Aux sends. It works well but where to mount it so you can leave it cabled up.  I have mine velcro'd (industrial strength velcro) to the bottom of my rack (tidyer than when I used to gaph it to the bottom (or earlier I gaphed it to the back lid and flipped it over onto the top)). Also my MP2 has stereo parallel loop (similar to Alesis MM8). Mixers are basically virtical input strips (channels) and horizontal bus lines which the channels feed. The main bus is the L/R mix bus, on AM802 the are also 3 FX/Aux buses so you can control how much of each channel is fed to any of the buses, Fader feeds the mix bus and FX/Aux send knobs feed the Aux buses. Main mix goes to poweramp, Aux buses 1 and 2 go to Quadverb L/R in, L/R out return to 2 channels, Aux 3 goes to IPS33 in, out A/B again down 2 channels (which also get sent to QV via Aux 1 and 2). Careful you don't send them back to themselves or they feedback (badly LOL) but this is mixing 101 stuff. I also have a Midiverb 4 in the MP2 loop but haven't used it much yet.
One down side of MP1 loop (apart from being mono) (same for most amp loops BTW) is it's serial so all your signal goes into the loop. This isn't so bad with analogue FXs but not the best way with digital FXs (eg the first thing a TC GMaj does is A/D the signal so there goes the analogue). There's a number of post from myself and MikeB about this and we proved it sounds much better not committing you whole signal to the TC. Mike uses an ART split mix to make a stereo loop after his MP1 (details in other posts). This is probably the cheapest solution and the ART is passive so no power required for it. The MM8 is the tidiest (I just wish it had more sends) and not sure what they cost (Soloist ?). I've been designing some thing similar (in my head) for years. I was thinking 2 RU, all tube input and 6 sends.
I you're happy with a desk style mixer, the new Carvin range looks interesting.  They have a 12 channel with 6 monitor sends and 2 FX sends IIRC. The difference between a monitor send and FX send is whether the signal fed into the send comes from before of after the channels fader/vol. In live PA situations, you don't want the channel vol affecting the monitor vol but you do want it affecting the FX vol.  For what we are discussing here, once it's set you rarely touch it so using monitor or FX sends would make little difference. So IMO the Carvin would be a good choice and allow you to "parallel loop" 4 stereo or 8 mono FXs and send any of their outputs to any of the others as required/desired.
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