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ADA Preamps => Original MP-1 => Topic started by: Iperfungus on January 16, 2017, 03:53:06 PM
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Ok guys...I don't want to leave the Mighty DannyJoe alone or leave him all the funny stuff! :whoohoo!:
I would summarize some stuff I already wrote here and there in the Depot and show you what's going on.
The ADA MP-1 unit I've got has a very good tone with a couple of TAD 7025 tubes I've put in it.
I've tested some combinations with a TungSol 12AX7, but I found the TADs work very well together...very similar to the original non branded 12AX7A tubes from China with a little more punch and bass definition.
I will test a couple of 5751 JAN Spec Philips tubes and I'm going to buy a couple of JJ ECC83s, as MJMP suggested.
There's a lot of fun in this.
Now, going back to the new rack system, I've used the MP-1 with a Zoom 9150 (disabled preamp section) and found some interesting tones and sounds...but I was not 100% happy with the overall tone, since the 9150 has not a good AD/DA conversion and it adds too much color to MP-1 tone.
I was looking for something like a Quadraverb or first version Rocktron Intellifex to build a stereo setup, but I found a TC Electronic G Major at a ridiculous price and I bought it: it has everything I need, a very good Noise Gate included, and a lot of useful features.
Tonight I programmed in my MP-1 a couple of Nuno Bettencourt's settings, since I wanted to test a very nice Klon Centaur clone (that a friend o' mine built) in the ADA input and I had a lot of fun.
Currently signal from guitar enters the klone pedal and then the MP-1, it comes out stereo from MP-1, enters in GMaj stereo inputs and goes to the Rivera Pubster 25 from one out and to the Blackstar FLY3 amp from the other.
I'm waiting for an ADA B200s power amp and a 2x12 stereo Blackstar HTV cab to complete the stereo rig and be, as rnolan says, "in stereo Heaven". :headbanger: :headbanger: :headbanger:
Here we go with some pictures of current rig's state to share with you, crazy people. :metal:
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Absolutely, why should DjC have all the fun LoL. Very cute rig my friend :thumb-up: You are going to Looove the B200s and a decent stereo cab >:D , promise me you'll turn it up to drummer in the room volume :thumb-up: .
You did well with the TC GMaj (IMO), I like the Fxs Mike gets from his and, as you say, it has heaps of options. I've kind of given up on chasing Fx but listening to the sounds Mike is getting from his GMaj has got me a bit interested again....
While your tube rolling, maybe try a pair of Mullard RI long plates or even the Mullard RI short plates :dunno: , the long plates are very articulate 3D tubes (comparatively), but careful, they show up your mistakes as well LoL
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Absolutely, why should DjC have all the fun LoL. Very cute rig my friend :thumb-up: You are going to Looove the B200s and a decent stereo cab >:D , promise me you'll turn it up to drummer in the room volume :thumb-up: .
You did well with the TC GMaj (IMO), I like the Fxs Mike gets from his and, as you say, it has heaps of options. I've kind of given up on chasing Fx but listening to the sounds Mike is getting from his GMaj has got me a bit interested again....
While your tube rolling, maybe try a pair of Mullard RI long plates or even the Mullard RI short plates :dunno: , the long plates are very articulate 3D tubes (comparatively), but careful, they show up your mistakes as well LoL
I'm having a lot of fun collecting all this stuff back after 20 years.
When I had my first rack more than 20 years ago, I was a young student and I could not afford to buy all this "crack gear".
Today, instead, the funny side is that prices decreased so much that I can put together a good and complete rack system (including a flight case and cables, MIDI controller and expression pedal) and a good cabinet for less money than I paid for a used MP-1 at that time.
By the way, I didn't want to complicate my life too much...so I decided for a FX unit that I can use with my MP-1 without a line mixer...and the GMaj does an excellent job.
B200s, Blackstar cab, rack case and cables are on the way.
About tubes, I can buy a couple of JJs for 20 euros...while Mullard tubes cost 3 times more (60 euros for 2 tubes).
I would just be sure it really worth spending that money...
Are you talking about these tubes, Richard?
http://www.boxguitar.com/valvole/mullard/mullard-12ax7-cv4004/
http://www.boxguitar.com/valvole/mullard/mullard-12ax7/
These are the JJs:
http://www.boxguitar.com/valvole/jj-electronics/jj-ecc83s/12ax7/
There really is so much difference between these tubes to justify the price difference?
Furthermore, the TAD 7025s Highgrade tube should be another Mullard-like tube...probably the short plates model.
I like a lot the TADs in the MP-1...but I would be sure I don't buy too similar tubes. ^-^
Currently, I'm using these ones: 7025s for V1 and 7025 for V2.
http://www.tubeampdoctor.com/en/shop_TAD_Premium_Tubes_TAD_Pre_Amp_Tubes_SELECTED/7025_S_HIGHGRADE_Selected_Mullard_style_TAD_Tubes_1923
http://www.tubeampdoctor.com/en/shop_TAD_Premium_Tubes_TAD_Pre_Amp_Tubes_SELECTED/7025_HIGHGRADE_TAD_Premium_Selected_390
Then, you're using Mullards in MP-2, isn't it?
But MP-1 has a different character...will they still work fine there? Did you ever tested these Mullards within a MP-1?
Tube rolling is a long and dark tunnel. :facepalm:
PS. I did not pay all that money for my 7025 and 7025s TAD tubes...I've these tubes at home since some years and I remember that I paid 'em a much lower price...Bought them for my Rivera, but I preferred TungSol 12AX7 tubes there (and TungSol 6V6 tubes for power).
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(Tube rolling is a long and dark tunnel. (http://adadepot.com/Smileys/default/facepalm.gif)) Indeed. Yes they are the tubes, New Sensor Mullard re-issues, made in Russia.
The prices vary quite a bit. I was paying $22 AUD for the long plates in Australia, they are now up to $30 AUD (http://tubeaudio.com.au/mullard-12ax7). Dougs prices are pretty competitive and they are a good place to source tubes.
http://www.dougstubes.com/mullard-12ax7.html ($19.95 USD)
http://www.dougstubes.com/jj-ecc83.html ($21.95 USD)
Interesting that the short plates are often more expensive than the long plates, although same price here :dunno: (http://tubeaudio.com.au/mullard-12ax7-cv4004/ also $30 AUD).
Not sure why, but tube prices in Europe seem (when I have looked) to be significantly higher than elsewhere.
A pair of long plates (JJ (and I suspect others) also make some long plates) is a good idea to try as they do sound/react differently. Based on my experience so far, I wouldn't put short plates in my MP-2s. I'm yet to try them in my (recently acquired) MP-1 but others have. In the end it's quite subjective and you can (most do) end up with a bunch of tubes you'll probably never use again :facepalm: . Fortunately my journey hasn't been too expensive. I tried Boogie SPAX7s (JJs) as I can buy them locally, and then the Mullard long plates (and am very happy with the LPs, so now I just buy more of them LoL, last order I bought 6 (3 pairs for various ie MB-1, MP-2 and I have a spare set to try in MP-1)).
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If you want the closest to the Tubes that came originally in the MP-1 you gotta use the TAD 12AX7A-C (RT001).
If you want a really full and harmonically rich sounding hi-gain tube you gotta check out the Tube-Town E83CC (https://www.tube-town.net/ttstore/Tubes/Tube-Town/TT-E83CC-12AX7-Standard::4673.html (https://www.tube-town.net/ttstore/Tubes/Tube-Town/TT-E83CC-12AX7-Standard::4673.html))
The attached tube-map is a rough guideline.....
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Thanks guys! You rock! :banana-jazz-smiley-emoticon: :bow:
I've to say I'm not looking for tubes that are similar to original MP-1 tubes: I've the original tubes and they still have a lot of life and work fine and then I like a lot the TADs I put in there, very close to originals with a little more punch and bass definition.
I would prefer to test different tubes...Like the JJs or the Mullards could be...
@Richard: what about gain with Mullard RI tubes? short plates would have more, while long plates have less gain and more headroom?
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All 12AX7 tubes are high gain, some more than others. I posted a comparison chart in the tube section a while ago and it had Mullards at the top of the high(er) gain tubes. Some stuff here worth reading (http://www.ebay.com.au/gds/The-Tubekings-Guide-to-NOS-and-Vintage-Audio-Tubes-/10000000017053944/g.html).
I haven't done a direct comparison between the long plate and short plate Mullards. Everything I've read so far and my personal experience supports that LPs are more 3D and articulate (which suites my playing/preferences) than SPs. The Mullard LPs have heaps of gain >:D .
Some tubes work better in different circuits. (Fortuitously) The comments here at the depot are predominantly for MP-1/2 and MB-1 so this gives you a good head start.
So you have some TADs (and the original Chinese bottles), that base is covered.
JJs are probably the pick of the short plates :dunno: (but they make a range of tubes, including LPs. Moreover they are often re-badged (eg Boogie SPAX7)). Definitely worth a try in MP-1, not in MP-2 (my taste). First tube change I did on my old MP-1 years ago was Boogie SPAX7s. They were fine.
I recommend you try a pair of Mullard LPs next so you hear what we/I mean. You'll definitely like them, you may even love them (like I do...). And you don't need to spend extra $s on matching etc for this application (ie MP-1).
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All 12AX7 tubes are high gain, some more than others. I posted a comparison chart in the tube section a while ago and it had Mullards at the top of the high(er) gain tubes. Some stuff here worth reading (http://www.ebay.com.au/gds/The-Tubekings-Guide-to-NOS-and-Vintage-Audio-Tubes-/10000000017053944/g.html).
I haven't done a direct comparison between the long plate and short plate Mullards. Everything I've read so far and my personal experience supports that LPs are more 3D and articulate (which suites my playing/preferences) than SPs. The Mullard LPs have heaps of gain >:D .
Some tubes work better in different circuits. (Fortuitously) The comments here at the depot are predominantly for MP-1/2 and MB-1 so this gives you a good head start.
So you have some TADs (and the original Chinese bottles), that base is covered.
JJs are probably the pick of the short plates :dunno: (but they make a range of tubes, including LPs. Moreover they are often re-badged (eg Boogie SPAX7)). Definitely worth a try in MP-1, not in MP-2 (my taste). First tube change I did on my old MP-1 years ago was Boogie SPAX7s. They were fine.
I recommend you try a pair of Mullard LPs next so you hear what we/I mean. You'll definitely like them, you may even love them (like I do...). And you don't need to spend extra $s on matching etc for this application (ie MP-1).
Shit yes.
I will go for a couple of Mullard RI long plates. :headbanger:
Then I will see... ^^
I used a long plates balanced ECC803s JJ as phase inverter within an ENGL Classic 50 tube head I had some years ago and it was excellent.
I do not want to start with too much stuff and confuse myself more than how already I am now ( :lol: ), so I will give Mullards a try and I will start from LPs, as you suggest based on your personal experience.
I was discussing the topic by email with MJMP as well, as I know he's a JJs guy and he prefers Ruby selected JJ tubes...but now I've the curiosity that killed the cat about Mullards. :canadian-flag-banana-smiley-e
Thanks to everyone of you, mates! :bow:
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Hey Max, a 12AT7 is probably a better tube for a poweramp phase invertor as they are lower gain (~70) but much higher current (good for poweramp output tube distortion (for those who chase/want that)) BTW there's a great article SC posted in the tube section about this.
I look forward to your results :thumb-up: , I strongly suspect you'll like them allot :whoohoo!: .
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Hey Max, a 12AT7 is probably a better tube for a poweramp phase invertor as they are lower gain (~70) but much higher current (good for poweramp output tube distortion (for those who chase/want that)) BTW there's a great article SC posted in the tube section about this.
I look forward to your results :thumb-up: , I strongly suspect you'll like them allot :whoohoo!: .
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I fell in decisional crisis again....Banzai sells Ruby selected JJs... :facepalm:
Mullard or JJ? Mullard or JJ? Mullard or JJ???
Both is not an option....I'm throwing a lot of money in crack gear already... :poop: :poop: :poop:
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Hey Max, the ruby JJs will be nice, you'll like them, the Mullards LPs will (IMHO) blow your mind... Frankly, in the MP-2, I was amazed how good they were/are (for me). Hey the ruby JJs are just one of the best that you have already...
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Hey Max, the ruby JJs will be nice, you'll like them, the Mullards LPs will (IMHO) blow your mind... Frankly, in the MP-2, I was amazed how good they were/are (for me). Hey the ruby JJs are just one of the best that you have already...
So you would suggest Mullards LPs... :bow:
As you already done, indeed...
JJs would be closer to original ADA tubes or TADs?
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Man Iperfungus this is a fun thread Bro - Congrats on your new setup! :banana:
Yes this stuff can be and is very addicting for sure! ;D
And I'm still on the fence about either the Quadraverb or the TC Gmaj2 - or the Rocktron Intellifex :???:
But I'm reading everyone's posts on them and still gathering info :D
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Man Iperfungus this is a fun thread Bro - Congrats on your new setup! :banana:
Yes this stuff can be and is very addicting for sure! ;D
And I'm still on the fence about either the Quadraverb or the TC Gmaj2 - or the Rocktron Intellifex :???:
But I'm reading everyone's posts on them and still gathering info :D
eheheheh....a lot of stuff is coming home:
1) 2 power amps (ADA B200s and Marshall Valvestate 8008)
2) 2 rack cases (2U and 4U)
3) another MIDI Controller (Behringer FCB1010 ready for the GMaj)
4) a good stereo 2x12 cab (Blackstar 212 HTV)
5) cables, cables, cables :lol:
Funny and affordable! :thumb-up:
I will just do a little more tubes rolling with the MP-1, I've just to decide among JJs and Mullards LP...
About FX, you cannot miss the target with anyone of them: Quadraverb, Intellifex or GMaj are very good units.
If you look for something good and cheap, go for the Quadraverb.
If you look for something good, cheap and complete, go for the Intellifex.
If you look for something good, cheap and MORE complete, go for a GMaj.
The Gmaj2 would cost more than a Gmaj...
If you look for a blast (still a little expensive), go for a Lexicon MPX G2 with R1 floorboard! :thumb-up:
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Man Iperfungus this is a fun thread Bro - Congrats on your new setup! :banana:
Yes this stuff can be and is very addicting for sure! ;D
And I'm still on the fence about either the Quadraverb or the TC Gmaj2 - or the Rocktron Intellifex :???:
But I'm reading everyone's posts on them and still gathering info :D
eheheheh....a lot of stuff is coming home:
1) 2 power amps (ADA B200s and Marshall Valvestate 8008)
2) 2 rack cases (2U and 4U)
3) another MIDI Controller (Behringer FCB1010 ready for the GMaj)
4) a good stereo 2x12 cab (Blackstar 212 HTV)
5) cables, cables, cables :lol:
Funny and affordable! :thumb-up:
I will just do a little more tubes rolling with the MP-1, I've just to decide among JJs and Mullards LP...
About FX, you cannot miss the target with anyone of them: Quadraverb, Intellifex or GMaj are very good units.
If you look for something good and cheap, go for the Quadraverb.
If you look for something good, cheap and complete, go for the Intellifex.
If you look for something good, cheap and MORE complete, go for a GMaj.
The Gmaj2 would cost more than a Gmaj...
If you look for a blast (still a little expensive), go for a Lexicon MPX G2 with R1 floorboard! :thumb-up:
Yeah you and I are going bananas with our gear buying these days :lol: But to get our sound we gotta do it!
Thanks for the additional info on the fx - I may roll with the Quad GT since I already know that unit so well. I had it in my first rack system back in 91' and loved the noise gate and the graphic EQ :banana:
But as always, I'll keep everyone posted and still yet burden you with pics ;D
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I forgot the most important thing! :facepalm:
Spare parts from MJMP + a special gift!!! :banana-skipping-rope-smiley-e
1) MP-1 V2.01 eprom
2) Keystone battery holder + VARTA CR2032 battery (battery mod kit)
3) 3 pots
...and the Mighty ADA Depot sticker! :banana-rock:
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Well I have been away for about 8 hours, and in that time.................................................
I pulled the trigger on a mint condition Alesis Quadraverg GT :banana-trip: pics coming soon of course, unless you guys think I shouldn't :poop:
:headbanger:
;D
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Sounds good to me DjC :thumb-up: .
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:thumb-up: :thumb-up: :thumb-up: :thumb-up: :thumb-up:
Well I have been away for about 8 hours, and in that time.................................................
I pulled the trigger on a mint condition Alesis Quadraverg GT :banana-trip: pics coming soon of course, unless you guys think I shouldn't :poop:
:headbanger:
;D
Show those pictures!!! :poop:
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Well I have been away for about 8 hours, and in that time.................................................
I pulled the trigger on a mint condition Alesis Quadraverg GT :banana-trip: pics coming soon of course, unless you guys think I shouldn't :poop:
:headbanger:
;D
Show those pictures!!! :poop:
OK it is on it's way - but in the mean time here's some pics of the MP-1s we have acquired. We have four between my Buddy and I, two each and all working,
however the new one we got yesterday has issues but sounds incredible! :headbanger:
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I've read about issues on the other topic....but you're gonna keep it anyway, isn't it?
So now you've 5: never forget old Jason's 1.38... :banana-skipping-rope-smiley-e
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I've read about issues on the other topic....but you're gonna keep it anyway, isn't it?
So now you've 5: never forget old Jason's 1.38... :banana-skipping-rope-smiley-e
Well Jason's is being used for parts and at the moment and not in working order :o The chorus died and has another issue, forgotten at the moment but yes we still have it but it sounds terrible compared to the other 2.01s we have gotten and sounds like a distortion pedal next to my Holy Grail unit ;D
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I've read about issues on the other topic....but you're gonna keep it anyway, isn't it?
So now you've 5: never forget old Jason's 1.38... :banana-skipping-rope-smiley-e
Well Jason's is being used for parts and at the moment and not in working order :o The chorus died and has another issue, forgotten at the moment but yes we still have it but it sounds terrible compared to the other 2.01s we have gotten and sounds like a distortion pedal next to my Holy Grail unit ;D
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4 working fine + 1 for spare parts sounds good! :whoohoo!:
Will you fix issues on the last one?
They look minor issues.
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Lookn good man!!!
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I've read about issues on the other topic....but you're gonna keep it anyway, isn't it?
So now you've 5: never forget old Jason's 1.38... :banana-skipping-rope-smiley-e
Well Jason's is being used for parts and at the moment and not in working order :o The chorus died and has another issue, forgotten at the moment but yes we still have it but it sounds terrible compared to the other 2.01s we have gotten and sounds like a distortion pedal next to my Holy Grail unit ;D
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4 working fine + 1 for spare parts sounds good! :whoohoo!:
Will you fix issues on the last one?
They look minor issues.
Not at the moment, looking at buying yet another one already, possibly from a forum member. ;D
Somethings I'm not sure about and my buddy Jason and I are actually thinking about shipping a couple of these units to MJMP!!
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Somethings I'm not sure about and my buddy Jason and I are actually thinking about shipping a couple of these units to MJMP!!
This is a very good idea! :whoohoo!:
Will you and Jason keep the unit with issues for parts?
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Somethings I'm not sure about and my buddy Jason and I are actually thinking about shipping a couple of these units to MJMP!!
This is a very good idea! :whoohoo!:
Will you and Jason keep the unit with issues for parts?
Well Iperfungus now after speaking with MJMP I'm planning on shipping them one at a time or so to him for proper repair and service :banana:
As a matter of fact Jason and I will inventory these and more than likely will not have any that are not working correctly! So that is the new goal for the next couple months!!! I will keep you posted as to how this goes. Shipping from the US to Belgium may take awhile so this will be a work in progress but very much worth it to me ;D
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Somethings I'm not sure about and my buddy Jason and I are actually thinking about shipping a couple of these units to MJMP!!
This is a very good idea! :whoohoo!:
Will you and Jason keep the unit with issues for parts?
Well Iperfungus now after speaking with MJMP I'm planning on shipping them one at a time or so to him for proper repair and service :banana:
As a matter of fact Jason and I will inventory these and more than likely will not have any that are not working correctly! So that is the new goal for the next couple months!!! I will keep you posted as to how this goes. Shipping from the US to Belgium may take awhile so this will be a work in progress but very much worth it to me ;D
This is going to be very, very interesting!!! :thumb-up:
:banana-upsidedown: :banana-upsidedown: :banana-upsidedown:
Will you send to MJMP the old Jason's 1.38?
At the end, you should have just a couple of those MP-1s with issues, isn't it?
Or are you planning to make him mod some of the working units as well?
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Somethings I'm not sure about and my buddy Jason and I are actually thinking about shipping a couple of these units to MJMP!!
This is a very good idea! :whoohoo!:
Will you and Jason keep the unit with issues for parts?
Well Iperfungus now after speaking with MJMP I'm planning on shipping them one at a time or so to him for proper repair and service :banana:
As a matter of fact Jason and I will inventory these and more than likely will not have any that are not working correctly! So that is the new goal for the next couple months!!! I will keep you posted as to how this goes. Shipping from the US to Belgium may take awhile so this will be a work in progress but very much worth it to me ;D
This is going to be very, very interesting!!! :thumb-up:
:banana-upsidedown: :banana-upsidedown: :banana-upsidedown:
Will you send to MJMP the old Jason's 1.38?
At the end, you should have just a couple of those MP-1s with issues, isn't it?
Or are you planning to make him mod some of the working units as well?
Yes Jason has had his MP-1 v1 1.38 since late 1987 and loves it and will have it kept stock.
As for me - I love the stock ADAs really and love the amount of gain they offer. The three tube mod and other things offered may work for others but for me the most perfect tone I ever heard is the stock unit! :banana:
An the only thing I would like for MJMP to do is replace the black box inputs with the switch craft style and create a rear input on the last one we got.
That is the one that has is a v1 with the 2.01 eprom but has a dead left channel and neither the front of rear output controls work. That will be the first one we ship. The guy Jason got it from ended up only charging him $225 for the unit because of all the issues so that has made it a better deal. ;D And we are actually going to keep all five units and have all of them in proper working order :banana:
This may take some time because I'm sure how long shipping takes back and forth and depending on how busy MJMP is but this is the plan Iperfungus ;D
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And it sounds being a very good plan, Danny! :thumb-up:
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Shipping wise I can highly recommend Fedex, though they are expensive :facepalm: . When I bought the Alembic bass from basscentral in florida, it left there monday arvo their time, I had in Canberra Australia on Thursday arvo, and not a mark on the carton. But it cost $500AUD...
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Blackstar HTV 212 cab is in da house! :headbanger:
I just need the incoming 4U rack case and then...cables, cables and cables!
Stay tuned for some pictures coming soon!
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:whoohoo!: :thumb-up:
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Blackstar HTV 212 cab is in da house! :headbanger:
I just need the incoming 4U rack case and then...cables, cables and cables!
Stay tuned for some pictures coming soon!
Can't wait to see pics of your new rig Bro!! :D
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Blackstar HTV 212 cab is in da house! :headbanger:
I just need the incoming 4U rack case and then...cables, cables and cables!
Stay tuned for some pictures coming soon!
Can't wait to see pics of your new rig Bro!! :D
Me too... :lol:
What I still need:
1) Time
2) Cables
3) Cables
4) Cables
But the 4U rack case is going to arrive today! :banana-rock:
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Ok guys...as I promised, here we go with the first pictures... :banana:
f**king smartphones camera... :facepalm:
Tomorrow I'll buy some cables... :banana-skipping-rope-smiley-e
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Awesome Iperfungus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :banana-jazz-smiley-emoticon:
Man do I love these rig pics!!!!
Great job! :whoohoo!:
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Hey Max, nice :thumb-up: :whoohoo!: . That will sound awesome >:D . Interesting point (and I've never seen on/off markings on a B200s power switch before :dunno: ), the power switch in your B200s has been changed (unless this was a later ADA mod :dunno: ). B200s power switches are "on" in the upward position (which I always found strange), not down (like yours (which is more normal :dunno: depends on the gadget I spose), they never had any marking on them to indicate which way they go, and all the ones I've had (~4ish IIRC) the light in the switch dies and never works again... :facepalm:
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The other guitar player in my band just bought a 16U rack to make a ADA monster rack >:D
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The other guitar player in my band just bought a 16U rack to make a ADA monster rack >:D
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Interesting point (and I've never seen on/off markings on a B200s power switch before :dunno: ), the power switch in your B200s has been changed (unless this was a later ADA mod :dunno: ). B200s power switches are "on" in the upward position (which I always found strange), not down (like yours (which is more normal :dunno: depends on the gadget I spose), they never had any marking on them to indicate which way they go, and all the ones I've had (~4ish IIRC) the light in the switch dies and never works again... :facepalm:
Ups...I didn't notice that... :thumb-up:
Well...I just hope everything will work fine and with an awesome sound! :headbanger:
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Hey it makes sense to have it that way (down = on), but it means someone has been inside it...
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Hey it makes sense to have it that way (down = on), but it means someone has been inside it...
Yes...this is the point.
That's what you get buying used stuff from people who bought it used... ^^
Let's hope everything will work fine.
I trust the guy I bought the B200s from...but you never know...
Today I would buy missing cables and power it up! :headbanger:
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Hey Max, so you don't know if it works yet ? I'm sure it will be fine LoL. As I said the light in the B200s power switches always dies :facepalm: (my experience with them) and they may just have replaced it with one that works :whoohoo!: and decided to orientate (a word I use rarely, not to be confused with oriented) the switch in a the more intuitive (ie down = on) direction. You'll love it BTW, the B200s goes "perfectly" with MP-1/2 :thumb-up: .
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Hey Max, so you don't know if it works yet ? I'm sure it will be fine LoL. As I said the light in the B200s power switches always dies :facepalm: (my experience with them) and they may just have replaced it with one that works :whoohoo!: and decided to orientate (a word I use rarely, not to be confused with oriented) the switch in a the more intuitive (ie down = on) direction. You'll love it BTW, the B200s goes "perfectly" with MP-1/2 :thumb-up: .
:headbanger: :headbanger: :headbanger:
:metal: :metal: :metal:
:banana-guitar: :banana-guitar: :banana-guitar:
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Ok, I take it that all is good and you are in ADA heaven :whoohoo!:
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Ok, I take it that all is good and you are in ADA heaven :whoohoo!:
Not yet...I miss cables still...but this evening.... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Ok guys.
I bought a couple of good speakers cables and 4 patches and connected everything.
Then I powered THE THING on.
At first I had a small heart attack, since one B200s channel had very low volume...then I powered it off, disconnected cables from cabinet, connected again and powered on...and everything was working f**king right! :thumb-up:
Played for 2 hours and no issues.
Then I discovered that B200s + Blackstar 2x12 cab is a completely different beast and I have to re-eq all my patches...but...WHO THE HELL CARES??? :banana-guitar:
And...finally, for the first time, I heard how an ADA MP-1 sounds!
I enjoyed the stereo configuration a lot...clean tones (tube or solid state) are awesome with a small amount of chorus (MP-1 chorus, of course...), delay and reverb...and overdrives...well....overdrives.... :headbanger: :headbanger: :headbanger:
To answer rnolan..Am I in ADA Heaven???
f*ck YES!!! :metal:
@rnolan: they also shortened the power cord...but it doesn't matter...and the on/off button works fine with its red light!
Some pictures...
The guitar is one of my Bruno Traverso's Silky custom guitars.
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:whoohoo!:
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Ok guys.
I bought a couple of good speakers cables and 4 patches and connected everything.
Then I powered THE THING on.
At first I had a small heart attack, since one B200s channel had very low volume...then I powered it off, disconnected cables from cabinet, connected again and powered on...and everything was working f**king right! :thumb-up:
Played for 2 hours and no issues.
Then I discovered that B200s + Blackstar 2x12 cab is a completely different beast and I have to re-eq all my patches...but...WHO THE HELL CARES??? :banana-guitar:
And...finally, for the first time, I heard how an ADA MP-1 sounds!
I enjoyed the stereo configuration a lot...clean tones (tube or solid state) are awesome with a small amount of chorus (MP-1 chorus, of course...), delay and reverb...and overdrives...well....overdrives.... :headbanger: :headbanger: :headbanger:
To answer rnolan..Am I in ADA Heaven???
f*ck YES!!! :metal:
@rnolan: they also shortened the power cord...but it doesn't matter...and the on/off button works fine with its red light!
Some pictures...
The guitar is one of my Bruno Traverso's Silky custom guitars.
Man congrats on your awesome rack there Iperfungus!!! Yes I agree once you here that overdrive tone from an MP-1, or 2 or any ADA preamp you'll be hooked forever!!! :headbanger:
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Oh yes, guys!
I do enjoy this thing...
The B200s is a very good companion for the MP-1 and I love the 100% stereo image of the overall sound.
Rich you were right: I'm addicted! :thumb-up:
I've tried to run the setup mono, just to compare the 2 solutions...and stereo wins 6-0.
I always loved Frank Hannon and his guitar tones with Tesla (Mechanical Resonance is a great album still!)...with my SG into THE THING...well...the drives are very close to Hannon's drives: thick and creamy.
I do not have to push MP-1 OD1 and OD2 too hard to get a very good distorted sound...with 7.0 and 7.0 I'm in metal zone already.
And I also love tube and SS cleans.
The match with the Blackstar cab is very, very good.
Probably this cab is better than any 1922 or 1936 Marshall cab.
I just have to fine tune MP-1 eq a little more with the new rig, but it's near to be ok.
Today I started to use the EQ within the G Major and first results are interesting.
I just regret I cannot crank the volumes up, since to me it's when you go after 7 with both channels volume that you unleash The Beast...but I've so many parameters to set the overall volume (MP-1 outputl level, GMaj input and output levels and B200s channels level) that I can get very good tones also at home leveles (without being arrested or risks of divorce...).
Now it's time for some tubes rolling. :facepalm:
Then the MP-1 will go to MJMP...
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Hey Max, the B200s was designed for the MP-1 >:D they got that soo right :thumb-up: . Interestingly (FWIW) I'd been agitating for a decent SS poweramp with a tube preamp from when I was 16 (over 40 years ago :facepalm: when Mick Sampson was making BAEZ amps (great amps BTW) in Newcastle (Australia)). Anyway ADA did it and IMHO did it best... :whoohoo!: .
So you Blackstar cab is open back :thumb-up: , I had great success with a 2 x 12" open back (in stereo) (2 x 50w 8 ohm fender twin speakers) running a very similar rig, awesome >:D .
Yeah once you've gone stereo, it's hard to go back..
Now volume is the thing, you'll have to tweak your master vol patch settings (and tweak your patches) at stage vol then wind the overall back (or, be all at sea LoL.. this is important BTW).
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Well Iperfungus I have been watching this thread about your rig and you guys have me really curious about the B200 for my second rack.
Something Richard just mention though -
Hey Max, the B200s was designed for the MP-1 >:D they got that soo right :thumb-up: . Interestingly (FWIW) I'd been agitating for a decent SS poweramp with a tube preamp from when I was 16
Richard what are your thoughts on the Micro Tube and would you still chose the B200 over it? Share your thoughts :D
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Hey DjC. I had a US version (ran on step down tranny) MT100 for a brief while. I traded it with Dante for a B200s (many years ago). I wasn't enamored with the MT100, not that I used it for long. Others here like the MT100 and MT200. I like the concept and particularly the 1 RU size. From reports here they are not as robust as the B200s (neon light issues). Also they have 2 transformers which I would have to change to make a US version 240v. They are a hybrid amp where the tubes "control" the mosfet output transistors.
My personal preferences for poweramp are:
B200s (or a G500s if you can find one)
Carvin TS100 (all tube and you can buy them new, nice amp BTW).
Carvin DCM200L (1 RU, very light, you can buy new, sounds great with MP-2/MB-1 rig) Mike ran through my rig on Sunday into a single (wired stereo) ADA slant split stack.
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Hey DjC. I had a US version (ran on step down tranny) MT100 for a brief while. I traded it with Dante for a B200s (many years ago). I wasn't enamored with the MT100, not that I used it for long. Others here like the MT100 and MT200. I like the concept and particularly the 1 RU size. From reports here they are not as robust as the B200s (neon light issues). Also they have 2 transformers which I would have to change to make a US version 240v. They are a hybrid amp where the tubes "control" the mosfet output transistors.
My personal preferences for poweramp are:
B200s (or a G500s if you can find one)
Carvin TS100 (all tube and you can buy them new, nice amp BTW).
Carvin DCM200L (1 RU, very light, you can buy new, sounds great with MP-2/MB-1 rig) Mike ran through my rig on Sunday into a single (wired stereo) ADA slant split stack.
OK good stuff to know Richard - thank you!
I will be on the look out for the B200 because I know the MP-1 was designed and voiced to be matched up with that amp. For my main rig I'm keeping the Mesa because I have got a great tone and SCARY volume with it but for my second rack I think I want to go with the B200.
The other reason is that it would be nice to here all my settings in the plus registrars instead of all the EQs in the negative because of how much coloring the Mesa does. Plus I know that most of all the original ADA users had the B200s in their racks.
Not only that but I bet the B200 will cost nothing compared to the $1599.99 the Mesa 2:50s go for!!!!! :o
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Hey DjC, I hope you find a decent B200s, they are a good amp and a real solid workhorse. Either the TS100 or the DCM 200L would also make you happy, they are both very transparent amps and work well with ADA preamps.
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Hey DjC, I hope you find a decent B200s, they are a good amp and a real solid workhorse. Either the TS100 or the DCM 200L would also make you happy, they are both very transparent amps and work well with ADA preamps.
OK thanks for all the info Richard! I will be on the lookout and keep everyone posted :D
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Now we can call this thread JOB DONE!
The rack is complete and I'm deep in "tubes rolling tunnel". :facepalm:
Fine tuned chorus, OD1 and OD2 trimpots.
Also started working with GMaj EQ after the Noise Gate...wow...
Awesome.
In short times it will go to MJMP...
The B200s is ok too, but I will post about it in the right topic. :headbanger:
Great amp!!!
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Well Iperfungus I have been watching this thread about your rig and you guys have me really curious about the B200 for my second rack.
Danny, you've to find a B200s!!! :wave: :banana-dance:
It's a perfect match with the MP-1.
They could have minor issues, but you can easily fix them in case.
It's a reliable stereo power amp, dead silent, very transparent, powerful and rich sounding.
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Well Iperfungus I have been watching this thread about your rig and you guys have me really curious about the B200 for my second rack.
Danny, you've to find a B200s!!! :wave: :banana-dance:
It's a perfect match with the MP-1.
They could have minor issues, but you can easily fix them in case.
It's a reliable stereo power amp, dead silent, very transparent, powerful and rich sounding.
Yep found two of them and they are not expensive at all ( $200 and less ). Having MP-1 issues at the moment though before I jump into that but I have heard all the positive comments on them so we'll check them out soon!
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Now we can call this thread JOB DONE!
The rack is complete and I'm deep in "tubes rolling tunnel". :facepalm:
Fine tuned chorus, OD1 and OD2 trimpots.
Also started working with GMaj EQ after the Noise Gate...wow...
Awesome.
In short times it will go to MJMP...
The B200s is ok too, but I will post about it in the right topic. :headbanger:
Great amp!!!
Hey Iperfungus just checking in with you - how the new rig going and how is your MP-1 holding up Buddy? :D
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Now we can call this thread JOB DONE!
The rack is complete and I'm deep in "tubes rolling tunnel". :facepalm:
Fine tuned chorus, OD1 and OD2 trimpots.
Also started working with GMaj EQ after the Noise Gate...wow...
Awesome.
In short times it will go to MJMP...
The B200s is ok too, but I will post about it in the right topic. :headbanger:
Great amp!!!
Hey Iperfungus just checking in with you - how the new rig going and how is your MP-1 holding up Buddy? :D
Hi Danny!
Well....it's going fine so far!
I've understood/learned more about my B200s (thanks rnolan and MJMP: you guys ROCK!) and found a couple of "minor issues" I'll fix (new pots and new jack connectors are needed), but that's a great power amp and a perfect match with the MP-1: as rnolan reminds us, it has been designed for the MP-1!
The preamp itself is still ok: I've done some tubes rolling and found the best match for me at the moment (a TAD 7025 in V1 and an original 12AX7A in V2...awesome tones...).
I'm going to test some more tubes there in the near future. :banana-rock:
By the way, I'll send the MP-1 to MJMP for some service and mods: it worth.
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Now we can call this thread JOB DONE!
The rack is complete and I'm deep in "tubes rolling tunnel". :facepalm:
Fine tuned chorus, OD1 and OD2 trimpots.
Also started working with GMaj EQ after the Noise Gate...wow...
Awesome.
In short times it will go to MJMP...
The B200s is ok too, but I will post about it in the right topic. :headbanger:
Great amp!!!
Hey Iperfungus just checking in with you - how the new rig going and how is your MP-1 holding up Buddy? :D
Hi Danny!
Well....it's going fine so far!
I've understood/learned more about my B200s (thanks rnolan and MJMP: you guys ROCK!) and found a couple of "minor issues" I'll fix (new pots and new jack connectors are needed), but that's a great power amp and a perfect match with the MP-1: as rnolan reminds us, it has been designed for the MP-1!
The preamp itself is still ok: I've done some tubes rolling and found the best match for me at the moment (a TAD 7025 in V1 and an original 12AX7A in V2...awesome tones...).
I'm going to test some more tubes there in the near future. :banana-rock:
By the way, I'll send the MP-1 to MJMP for some service and mods: it worth.
OK great to hear! I'm anxious to get my current MP-1 back from Philippe and test drive it, I'm sure it's gonna be good - then I can send him my HG unit :banana:
And congrats on everything going well with your rig :thumb-up:
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And congrats on everything going well with your rig :thumb-up:
Thansk Bro! :thumb-up:
I'm looking forward to see your rig back to life and Jason's too! :metal:
MJMP has the Power!
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And congrats on everything going well with your rig :thumb-up:
Thansk Bro! :thumb-up:
I'm looking forward to see your rig back to life and Jason's too! :metal:
MJMP has the Power!
Yes me too Iperfungus; currently, dare I say this without a flame suit - in my rig I'm not using any MP-1s because ours currently all suck!
None of them are working right so we are eagerly awaiting the first of the batch we sent to MJMP to return, which coming back to the states should be about 10-14 days. :banana:
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Hey DjC, if MJMP hasn't finished them already, (I'd) get him to do the new stock tube board and MDRT in at least one of them (noise mod also a very good idea, basically new power supply caps IIRC), will cost a little bit more but IMHO well worth it :thumb-up: . While he's got it open .... :dunno: why not get it all done :thumb-up: .
Very much looking forward to when you have a stable MP1 rack, then we can get on with all the interesting patching stuff >:D
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Hey DjC, if MJMP hasn't finished them already, (I'd) get him to do the new stock tube board and MDRT in at least one of them (noise mod also a very good idea, basically new power supply caps IIRC), will cost a little bit more but IMHO well worth it :thumb-up: . While he's got it open .... :dunno: why not get it all done :thumb-up: .
Very much looking forward to when you have a stable MP1 rack, then we can get on with all the interesting patching stuff >:D
Yes very good idea for sure Richard!! I'm assuming at that point with the new tube board, MDRT and noise mod wouldn't this make the unit almost new?
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Hey DjC, if MJMP hasn't finished them already, (I'd) get him to do the new stock tube board and MDRT in at least one of them (noise mod also a very good idea, basically new power supply caps IIRC), will cost a little bit more but IMHO well worth it :thumb-up: . While he's got it open .... :dunno: why not get it all done :thumb-up: .
Very much looking forward to when you have a stable MP1 rack, then we can get on with all the interesting patching stuff >:D
Yes very good idea for sure Richard!! I'm assuming at that point with the new tube board, MDRT and noise mod wouldn't this make the unit almost new?
Yes, it will.
And in short times we'll have Twin MP-1s! :headbanger:
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Hey DjC, for the most part yes, object being make it as new as you can, and very much the discussion and journey Mike has been on (I think all he has left to do is change all the back jacks (he has them ready to go IIRC, though opp amps is another option >:D he hasn't gone for (yet)).
Now I can say, I had the privilege of playing through Mikes new and improved MP1 a few months ago at proper volume (drummer in the room (well huge shed in this case)) Using my Epipone SG (Gibson 57 re-issue PUs), man it was the business :whoohoo!: . (BTW Mike has New Sensor re-issue Mullard Short plate in V1 and a Boogie SPAX7 (jj no doubt) in V2).
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new and improved MP1 ... Using my Epipone SG (Gibson 57 re-issue PUs), man it was the business :whoohoo!:
Oh yes...I LOVE my SG with '57 Classic PUs into MP-1 + B200s!
That's a killer combo: 100% Frank Hannon's drive! :headbanger:
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:whoohoo!: a fellow devotee :thumb-up: , great PUs (pls pardon my ignorance, who's Frank Hannon ?) Ok just youtubed him (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAc37x3OiPA), absolutely, that's what those/these PUs sound like (and I like allot >:D )
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:whoohoo!: a fellow devotee :thumb-up: , great PUs (pls pardon my ignorance, who's Frank Hannon ?) Ok just youtubed him (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAc37x3OiPA), absolutely, that's what those/these PUs sound like (and I like allot >:D )
TESLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :headbanger: :headbanger: :headbanger:
Hannon and his fellow Tommy Skeoch did play awesome guitar parts with that band...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2zwBRa0YhA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2zwBRa0YhA)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a9DW_zhV84 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a9DW_zhV84)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2q_-xN2N54 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2q_-xN2N54)
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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:whoohoo!: a fellow devotee :thumb-up: , great PUs (pls pardon my ignorance, who's Frank Hannon ?) Ok just youtubed him (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAc37x3OiPA), absolutely, that's what those/these PUs sound like (and I like allot >:D )
TESLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :headbanger: :headbanger: :headbanger:
Hannon and his fellow Tommy Skeoch did play awesome guitar parts with that band...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2zwBRa0YhA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2zwBRa0YhA)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a9DW_zhV84 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a9DW_zhV84)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2q_-xN2N54 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2q_-xN2N54)
:lol: :lol: :lol:
...if only they could write an original hit again... :lol:
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:whoohoo!: a fellow devotee :thumb-up: , great PUs (pls pardon my ignorance, who's Frank Hannon ?) Ok just youtubed him (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAc37x3OiPA), absolutely, that's what those/these PUs sound like (and I like allot >:D )
TESLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :headbanger: :headbanger: :headbanger:
Hannon and his fellow Tommy Skeoch did play awesome guitar parts with that band...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2zwBRa0YhA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2zwBRa0YhA)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a9DW_zhV84 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a9DW_zhV84)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2q_-xN2N54 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2q_-xN2N54)
:lol: :lol: :lol:
...if only they could write an original hit again... :lol:
Hahahaha :thumb-up:
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:whoohoo!: a fellow devotee :thumb-up: , great PUs (pls pardon my ignorance, who's Frank Hannon ?) Ok just youtubed him (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAc37x3OiPA), absolutely, that's what those/these PUs sound like (and I like allot >:D )
TESLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :headbanger: :headbanger: :headbanger:
Hannon and his fellow Tommy Skeoch did play awesome guitar parts with that band...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2zwBRa0YhA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2zwBRa0YhA)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a9DW_zhV84 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a9DW_zhV84)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2q_-xN2N54 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2q_-xN2N54)
:lol: :lol: :lol:
...if only they could write an original hit again... :lol:
:facepalm:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: